GW Is Going To Cause A Third Party Over Immigration

[Annie]

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By JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 26 minutes ago

OMAHA, Neb. - New arrivals to this country must adopt American values and learn English,
President Bush said Wednesday, pushing anew for his proposal to overhaul immigration rules.

To gain passage during this midterm election year, Bush must win over many in his own party who are opposed to provisions he demands besides stepped-up border enforcement. Those provisions include providing a path to citizenship for many illegal immigrants and allowing additional work permits for foreigners.

The president has taken several tacks in recent weeks to bring around recalcitrant lawmakers, including repeated emphasis on his seriousness about tightening the border with more manpower and equipment and imposing stiffer penalties on businesses that hire illegal immigrants.

On Wednesday, aware that lawmakers are hearing from constituents alarmed by the added burden immigration sometimes places on police, schools and hospitals, Bush touted the importance of assimilation — immigrants' adoption of American culture.

He chose to do so in a heartland state where the rising Hispanic population is creating frustration, and influencing political races.

Bush visited a community center that offers English and other classes along with business startup help. He also announced he was creating a new task force to encourage such efforts around the country and an Office of Citizenship within the Department of Homeland Security to promote the responsibilities and rights of American citizens.

"One aspect of making sure we have an immigration system that works, that's orderly and fair, is to actively reach out and help people assimilate into our country," Bush said in a speech at a local community college. "That means to learn the values and history and language of America." Why should we have to 'reach out' meaning creating more bureacracy and cost to the US taxpayer? How many Germans, French, Italians, Spanish, Cubans have learned English without another layer of Homeland Security? How many were illegal? We are not only going to give them citizenship, we are going to pay them to stay!

The president may have undermined that message somewhat while at the Juan Diego Center, as he joined in a class preparing students for their U.S. citizenship tests. Though the instructor addressed students in English, Bush mostly chose their native Spanish to greet and quiz them. When the students couldn't answer his question — how many father-son duos have served as president — Bush explained in Spanish that there have been two, the Bushes and "Juan Adams y su hijo Juan Q."

In Nebraska, immigrants are filling jobs at meatpacking plants and in the farm fields. Their increased presence was a factor in the May 9 Republican governor's primary in this solidly GOP state and is expected to figure in Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson (news, bio, voting record)'s re-election race against Republican challenger Pete Ricketts.

Nelson opposes Bush's ideas, which largely track with a bill recently passed in the Senate that contains a guest worker program and a shot at citizenship for illegal immigrants along with increased border security. Nelson prefers the approach adopted last year in a radically different House bill, which is generally limited to enhanced border enforcement and hard-line measures such as making all illegal immigrants felons.

Nelson said he doubts that House and Senate negotiators — who have yet to begin meeting — will be able to bridge the divide and craft compromise legislation. "The Nebraskans I know and talk to want to secure the border first," he said.

Nelson's Senate colleague, Republican Chuck Hagel, is an outspoken supporter of the Senate measure. At the event with Bush, he earned the president's praise.

With business groups who want a steady supply of cheap labor, the driving force behind a temporary worker program, Bush noted the support of Nebraska's hospitality and agricultural industries. He also countered pessimistic sentiments like Nelson's.

"I know you probably look at Washington and think it's impossible to develop a consensus in Washington, D.C. It probably seems that way, doesn't it, when you pay attention to all the sharp elbows being thrown and, you know, the people opinionating and screaming and hollering and calling each other names," the president said. "But there is a consensus emerging on this issue."

Bush's Omaha visit wrapped up a two-day journey devoted to immigration. On Tuesday, Bush traveled to two border states — visiting the Border Patrol's agent training facility in Artesia, N.M., before going to the agency's busy sector headquarters near the Rio Grande River in Laredo, Texas.

 

[OCA]

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There already is a TRUE conservative 3rd party, its called the constitution party, look it up. Might be a good idea too because after Bush's abortion of a 2nd term the Repubs are going to be in the tank for awhile...damn shame that is going to be.

 

[Mr. P]

OMG! The Latino Party, coming to a polling both near you.
OH wait, they're already here, firmly intrenched in the two parties.
No third party on this issue alone, ain’t happening. IMO

 

[OCA]

OMG! The Latino Party, coming to a polling both near you.
OH wait, they're already here, firmly intrenched in the two parties.
No third party on this issue alone, ain’t happening. IMO

Absolutely correct. Most know that what the Senate is proposing is the correct and only viable solution to the problem and the ones who don't are just scapegoating anyway. Americans lack the motivation to do anything else other than whine about the problem and they certainly won't do anything like revolt over immigration given the current high levels of apathy in this country, Lou "I hate Mexicans" Dobbs aside....of course.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

In the New World Order, mexico, U.S. and Canada are a single entity. To fight it is the lowest form of racism and nationalism.

 

[Mr. P]

In the New World Order, mexico, U.S. and Canada are a single entity. To fight it is the lowest form of racism and nationalism.

Screw the PC shit! Remember the ALAMO!

 

[ScreamingEagle]

In the New World Order, mexico, U.S. and Canada are a single entity. To fight it is the lowest form of racism and nationalism.

They sure appear to be following the plan.

New World Order Chieftans Openly Discuss Dismantling US Border and Bringing Us into the Pan-American Union

CNN | June 10, 2005

It was reported on Lou Dobbs last night that the traitors to the United States are finally coming out from their positions under the rocks.

The Council on Foreign Relations has published a report which articulates the plan to subvert the Constitution by dissolving our nation in favor of a continental government. The media has kept a pretty tight lid on this treason until now. The 1986 amnesty, NAFTA, CAFTA have been stepping stones towards the dissolution of our national sovereignty.

Here is the transcript from last night's program -

DOBBS: Border security is arguably the critical issue in this country's fight against radical Islamist terrorism. But our borders remain porous. So porous that three million illegal aliens entered this country last year, nearly all of them from Mexico.

Now, incredibly, a panel sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations wants the United States to focus not on the defense of our own borders, but rather create what effectively would be a common border that includes Mexico and Canada.

Christine Romans has the report.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/nwo_chiefs_discuss_dismantle_border_pan_am_union.htm

 

[dilloduck]

They sure appear to be following the plan.

Yup- this part of the "comprehensive" plan is conveniently left out. No conspiracy here--move on !

 

[5stringJeff]

There already is a TRUE conservative 3rd party, its called the constitution party, look it up. Might be a good idea too because after Bush's abortion of a 2nd term the Repubs are going to be in the tank for awhile...damn shame that is going to be.

If the GOP keeps screwing up, I'll be joining you over there.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

PM'in me with an apology is an acceptable penance for the doubters and playa haterz.

 

[Bonnie]

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In my state primary last night there were three candidates, I chose the Indpendent Conservative candidate. Of course he did not win, but I tried
Shame too, he had all the right ideas.

 

[dilloduck]

PM'in me with an apology is an acceptable penance for the doubters and playa haterz.

I don't think anyone ever apologized to that Kraut in the 1920s who said " Look out for that short sucker with a moustache."

 

[Gunny]

Screw the PC shit! Remember the ALAMO!

They've already taken THAT back.

 

[007]

In my state primary last night there were three candidates, I chose the Indpendent Conservative candidate. Of course he did not win, but I tried
Shame too, he had all the right ideas.

And that's what I'll do to Bonnie, win, lose or draw. I'll vote for the representative that represents MY opinions. Isn't that what VOTING is all about?

Screw who you THINK will win. Vote your conscience. You can live with that. More people should do that, then maybe there WOULD be a major shake up, and we NEED that.

 

[007]

Absolutely correct. Most know that what the Senate is proposing is the correct and only viable solution to the problem and the ones who don't are just scapegoating anyway. Americans lack the motivation to do anything else other than whine about the problem and they certainly won't do anything like revolt over immigration given the current high levels of apathy in this country, Lou "I hate Mexicans" Dobbs aside....of course.

OCA, I know we've disagreed about the illlegal alien thing, but you are SPOT FUCKING ON when you say America "lacks the motivation" to do anything about it. No greater truth has been spoken man.

But I'll go one step further, it's the POLITICIANS that "lack the motivation" to do anything, and it's because the large farm conglomerates have lots of money to LOBBY, and WE don't. So, government WHORES themselves out to the MONEY... like that's anythig new.

 

[pegwinn]

In the New World Order, mexico, U.S. and Canada are a single entity. To fight it is the lowest form of racism and nationalism.

The United States of North America.

Baddest Military in the World.

Coldest winters.

Spiffiest Cops (RCMP)

and Best Groundskeepers.

 

[Gunny]

And that's what I'll do to Bonnie, win, lose or draw. I'll vote for the representative that represents MY opinions. Isn't that what VOTING is all about?

Screw who you THINK will win. Vote your conscience. You can live with that. More people should do that, then maybe there WOULD be a major shake up, and we NEED that.

I agree; however, the reality is, third party candidates usually win only by accident, and usually only get one term because they STILL have to deal with the two-party, partisan state government.

And if you want to see bipartisanship at work, let a 3rd party candidate threaten to upset the status quo, two-party monopoly.

 

[dilloduck]

OCA, I know we've disagreed about the illlegal alien thing, but you are SPOT FUCKING ON when you say America "lacks the motivation" to do anything about it. No greater truth has been spoken man.

But I'll go one step further, it's the POLITICIANS that "lack the motivation" to do anything, and it's because the large farm conglomerates have lots of money to LOBBY, and WE don't. So, government WHORES themselves out to the MONEY... like that's anythig new.

It's like losing in a Monopoly game. Whatever you roll, you lose. The bankers have all the bucks and the welfare of Americans is not thier primary interest. The big players can live where ever they want and go where they want. Why should they give a rats ass. Until everyone starts talking AND acting like Ann Coulter suggests we may as well admit we are nothing but blowhards. What a surprise it will be for the libs to see the players from THIER side cash in and move on without them.

 

[007]

I agree; however, the reality is, third party candidates usually win only by accident, and usually only get one term because they STILL have to deal with the two-party, partisan state government.

And if you want to see bipartisanship at work, let a 3rd party candidate threaten to upset the status quo, two-party monopoly.

That's true Gunny, third party candidates don't "usually" win. This time could be different. But, the big two have written laws that FAVOR them, and make it hard for any other party to compete. So, if a third party does win, that could be the shake up of the century. I think we need it... bad.

 

[007]

It's like losing in a Monopoly game. Whatever you roll, you lose. The bankers have all the bucks and the welfare of Americans is not thier primary interest. The big players can live where ever they want and go where they want. Why should they give a rats ass. Until everyone starts talking AND acting like Ann Coulter suggests we may as well admit we are nothing but blowhards. What a surprise it will be for the libs to see the players from THIER side cash in and move on without them.

It's voter apathy Dillo. Too many people have it. Too many people live in their own little world, not caring.

What the fuck is it going to take to wake people up? An atomic bomb? Loaded question...