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Could have told ya right off this thread wasn't going to garner any attention.
Catastrophic failure of every cause the gun grabbers have been pushing for the last 30 years.
They're just going to ignore it and hope it fades from memory.
I got exactly what I was expecting, nothing. Om the other hand, it does highlight the complete lack of logic and reason on the pro gun control side of the argument.
The real issue is, which may come as a shock to most, no one of us needs to own a gun. Guns are only needed in war situations and to get criminals under control.
Indeed, even the gun-control groups have it wrong as well. I agree, no matter how many laws you have against guns, as long as that Second Amendment mentality prevails, there will be no end to this irrational crave of wanting to own a gun. It is the mentality the problem, not owning the guns alone. Americans need to get out of this idea that a gun is for protecting against the other and think about it instead it does more harm possessing it. Other people in other countries live their lives without them - guns only belong to law enforcing agencies and the military. They have far more less violence in their lives and don't need amendments to grant them free access to these lethal weapons.
I know I belong to the very minority in this philosophy and my ideas are far less popular at this time.
The real issue is, which may come as a shock to most, no one of us needs to own a gun. Guns are only needed in war situations and to get criminals under control.
Indeed, even the gun-control groups have it wrong as well. I agree, no matter how many laws you have against guns, as long as that Second Amendment mentality prevails, there will be no end to this irrational crave of wanting to own a gun. It is the mentality the problem, not owning the guns alone. Americans need to get out of this idea that a gun is for protecting against the other and think about it instead it does more harm possessing it. Other people in other countries live their lives without them - guns only belong to law enforcing agencies and the military. They have far more less violence in their lives and don't need amendments to grant them free access to these lethal weapons.
I know I belong to the very minority in this philosophy and my ideas are far less popular at this time.
The real issue is, which may come as a shock to most, no one of us needs to own a gun. Guns are only needed in war situations and to get criminals under control.
Indeed, even the gun-control groups have it wrong as well. I agree, no matter how many laws you have against guns, as long as that Second Amendment mentality prevails, there will be no end to this irrational crave of wanting to own a gun. It is the mentality the problem, not owning the guns alone. Americans need to get out of this idea that a gun is for protecting against the other and think about it instead it does more harm possessing it. Other people in other countries live their lives without them - guns only belong to law enforcing agencies and the military. They have far more less violence in their lives and don't need amendments to grant them free access to these lethal weapons.
I know I belong to the very minority in this philosophy and my ideas are far less popular at this time.
I don't need a computer. I don't need running shoes. There are a lot of things I don't need. Until you can demonstrate that my having something is causing harm to someone else, then whether I need it or not is irrelevant.
The real issue is, which may come as a shock to most, no one of us needs to own a gun. Guns are only needed in war situations and to get criminals under control.
The real issue is, which may come as a shock to most, no one of us needs to own a gun. Guns are only needed in war situations and to get criminals under control.
Indeed, even the gun-control groups have it wrong as well. I agree, no matter how many laws you have against guns, as long as that Second Amendment mentality prevails, there will be no end to this irrational crave of wanting to own a gun. It is the mentality the problem, not owning the guns alone. Americans need to get out of this idea that a gun is for protecting against the other and think about it instead it does more harm possessing it. Other people in other countries live their lives without them - guns only belong to law enforcing agencies and the military. They have far more less violence in their lives and don't need amendments to grant them free access to these lethal weapons.
I know I belong to the very minority in this philosophy and my ideas are far less popular at this time.
I am, once again, being accused of not addressing the issues of gun control regarding mass shootings. My problem with that accusation is that I literally do not get the issues.
California has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. In order to buy a handgun you have to have be over 21, show a drivers license and proof of residency, provide proof that you took a gun safety course, demonstrate to the dealer at the time of sale that you can safely handle the gun you are trying to purchase, and then you go through the background check with a 10 day waiting period. Elliot Rogers did this on 3 separate occasions, and thus legally owned 3 pistols. California also prohibits any magazine with a capacity over 10 rounds, so Rogers had 41 magazines with him, none of which held over 10 rounds. What issues am I failing to address when I point out that gun control laws don't prevent mass shootings?
That a society the glorifies guns and violence needs to right its ship if it wants to keep its guns. Apparently responsible gun ownership is unconstitutional these days. If you need evidence of what control freaks some of the gun zealots are I could screencap some of my negrep comments I get from them whenever I disagree with them.
I am, once again, being accused of not addressing the issues of gun control regarding mass shootings. My problem with that accusation is that I literally do not get the issues.
California has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. In order to buy a handgun you have to have be over 21, show a drivers license and proof of residency, provide proof that you took a gun safety course, demonstrate to the dealer at the time of sale that you can safely handle the gun you are trying to purchase, and then you go through the background check with a 10 day waiting period. Elliot Rogers did this on 3 separate occasions, and thus legally owned 3 pistols. California also prohibits any magazine with a capacity over 10 rounds, so Rogers had 41 magazines with him, none of which held over 10 rounds. What issues am I failing to address when I point out that gun control laws don't prevent mass shootings?
That a society the glorifies guns and violence needs to right its ship if it wants to keep its guns. Apparently responsible gun ownership is unconstitutional these days. If you need evidence of what control freaks some of the gun zealots are I could screencap some of my negrep comments I get from them whenever I disagree with them.
In a society that glorifies guns and violence would you expect mass shootings to account for more or less than 1% of all gun murders?
Clearly most conservatives have no interest in honest, good faith debate as to what regulatory measures are appropriate and those that are not; instead they make unfounded, inane, and hyperbolic references to banning all guns, gun grabbing, and confiscation, most of the posts in this very thread are proof of that.
The real issue is, which may come as a shock to most, no one of us needs to own a gun. Guns are only needed in war situations and to get criminals under control.
Indeed, even the gun-control groups have it wrong as well. I agree, no matter how many laws you have against guns, as long as that Second Amendment mentality prevails, there will be no end to this irrational crave of wanting to own a gun. It is the mentality the problem, not owning the guns alone. Americans need to get out of this idea that a gun is for protecting against the other and think about it instead it does more harm possessing it. Other people in other countries live their lives without them - guns only belong to law enforcing agencies and the military. They have far more less violence in their lives and don't need amendments to grant them free access to these lethal weapons.
I know I belong to the very minority in this philosophy and my ideas are far less popular at this time.
That a society the glorifies guns and violence needs to right its ship if it wants to keep its guns. Apparently responsible gun ownership is unconstitutional these days. If you need evidence of what control freaks some of the gun zealots are I could screencap some of my negrep comments I get from them whenever I disagree with them.
In a society that glorifies guns and violence would you expect mass shootings to account for more or less than 1% of all gun murders?
Yes.
In a society that glorifies guns and violence would you expect mass shootings to account for more or less than 1% of all gun murders?
Yes.
Let me rephrase
In a society that glorifies guns and violence would you expect mass shootings to account for more than or less than 1% of all murder?
Yes.
Let me rephrase
In a society that glorifies guns and violence would you expect mass shootings to account for more than or less than 1% of all murder?
Yes. I doubt it is always exactly 1%
If they accounted for most murders, it would be a different dynamic. That they account for roughly 100 murders a year out of 12K a year shows that the glorification of guns and violence is a societal problem, not just a problem for white males in the late teens and early 20's with histories of mental illness, antisocial behaviors, video game addictions, and youtube manifesto makings.
These stand your ground laws are Orwellian proof of how obsessed people are with guns--you can kill anybody you want, even if you were the original aggressor. Last man standing is exempt from prosecution as long as it was on their property or the other person did not yield to their libertarian authority and they claim to have been in fear of their lives.
Let me rephrase
In a society that glorifies guns and violence would you expect mass shootings to account for more than or less than 1% of all murder?
Yes. I doubt it is always exactly 1%
If they accounted for most murders, it would be a different dynamic. That they account for roughly 100 murders a year out of 12K a year shows that the glorification of guns and violence is a societal problem, not just a problem for white males in the late teens and early 20's with histories of mental illness, antisocial behaviors, video game addictions, and youtube manifesto makings.
These stand your ground laws are Orwellian proof of how obsessed people are with guns--you can kill anybody you want, even if you were the original aggressor. Last man standing is exempt from prosecution as long as it was on their property or the other person did not yield to their libertarian authority and they claim to have been in fear of their lives.
The thing is most gun deaths about 80% or so according to the CDC are related to gang violence.
If we took just 6 of our most violent cities out of the count the murder rate would be more in line with other countries.
The fact is that most murders involve criminals in large urban areas.
So it is more a problem with our cities and the failures of the governing bodies of those cities than it is with guns.
More people living outside of large urban areas legally own guns than do people in large urban areas and yet have a much lower murder rate.
By your logic wouldn't the people with the most guns commit most of the murders?
The thing is most gun deaths about 80% or so according to the CDC are related to gang violence.
If we took just 6 of our most violent cities out of the count the murder rate would be more in line with other countries.
The fact is that most murders involve criminals in large urban areas.
So it is more a problem with our cities and the failures of the governing bodies of those cities than it is with guns.
More people living outside of large urban areas legally own guns than do people in large urban areas and yet have a much lower murder rate.
By your logic wouldn't the people with the most guns commit most of the murders?
Yes. I doubt it is always exactly 1%
If they accounted for most murders, it would be a different dynamic. That they account for roughly 100 murders a year out of 12K a year shows that the glorification of guns and violence is a societal problem, not just a problem for white males in the late teens and early 20's with histories of mental illness, antisocial behaviors, video game addictions, and youtube manifesto makings.
These stand your ground laws are Orwellian proof of how obsessed people are with guns--you can kill anybody you want, even if you were the original aggressor. Last man standing is exempt from prosecution as long as it was on their property or the other person did not yield to their libertarian authority and they claim to have been in fear of their lives.
The thing is most gun deaths about 80% or so according to the CDC are related to gang violence.
If we took just 6 of our most violent cities out of the count the murder rate would be more in line with other countries.
The fact is that most murders involve criminals in large urban areas.
So it is more a problem with our cities and the failures of the governing bodies of those cities than it is with guns.
More people living outside of large urban areas legally own guns than do people in large urban areas and yet have a much lower murder rate.
By your logic wouldn't the people with the most guns commit most of the murders?
No to your last question. As to the highlighted part, did you ever consider that perhaps all those movies in the 80's and 90's glorifying gangland gun violence may have had an impact on poor kids in those cities and we are at the trailing edge of that trend's effects?
The thing is most gun deaths about 80% or so according to the CDC are related to gang violence.
If we took just 6 of our most violent cities out of the count the murder rate would be more in line with other countries.
The fact is that most murders involve criminals in large urban areas.
So it is more a problem with our cities and the failures of the governing bodies of those cities than it is with guns.
More people living outside of large urban areas legally own guns than do people in large urban areas and yet have a much lower murder rate.
By your logic wouldn't the people with the most guns commit most of the murders?
By the way, as an addendum, we tried selective enforcement in high crime cities and the gun rights people had a cow about it. That was what gave us Heller. There is no regulation that people of a certain ilk will accept, so we should stop even considering their lack of contribution to or support of alternative violence measures or gun regulations. They are wasted energy for those of us who are willing to make reasonable compromises, whether those compromises yield guaranteed results or not.
The thing is most gun deaths about 80% or so according to the CDC are related to gang violence.
If we took just 6 of our most violent cities out of the count the murder rate would be more in line with other countries.
The fact is that most murders involve criminals in large urban areas.
So it is more a problem with our cities and the failures of the governing bodies of those cities than it is with guns.
More people living outside of large urban areas legally own guns than do people in large urban areas and yet have a much lower murder rate.
By your logic wouldn't the people with the most guns commit most of the murders?
By the way, as an addendum, we tried selective enforcement in high crime cities and the gun rights people had a cow about it. That was what gave us Heller. There is no regulation that people of a certain ilk will accept, so we should stop even considering their lack of contribution to or support of alternative violence measures or gun regulations. They are wasted energy for those of us who are willing to make reasonable compromises, whether those compromises yield guaranteed results or not.
We have 20,000 gun laws in this country at every level. How many more do you need?
While we're on the subject, gun owners have compromised and compromised and compromised. What do we get in return? What do the gun grabbers ever give up in their end of those reasonable compromise?
The thing is most gun deaths about 80% or so according to the CDC are related to gang violence.
If we took just 6 of our most violent cities out of the count the murder rate would be more in line with other countries.
The fact is that most murders involve criminals in large urban areas.
So it is more a problem with our cities and the failures of the governing bodies of those cities than it is with guns.
More people living outside of large urban areas legally own guns than do people in large urban areas and yet have a much lower murder rate.
By your logic wouldn't the people with the most guns commit most of the murders?
No to your last question. As to the highlighted part, did you ever consider that perhaps all those movies in the 80's and 90's glorifying gangland gun violence may have had an impact on poor kids in those cities and we are at the trailing edge of that trend's effects?
Yea it's the movies.
Nothing do with drugs, poverty, lack of parental authority, etc..... it's the movies.
I'd be amazed if you could even dress yourself.
Funny things about rights -- they arent held to somone's perceotion of "need".The real issue is, which may come as a shock to most, no one of us needs to own a gun.
What "irrational craving" is that?Indeed, even the gun-control groups have it wrong as well. I agree, no matter how many laws you have against guns, as long as that Second Amendment mentality prevails, there will be no end to this irrational crave of wanting to own a gun.
You do not believe we have the right to self-defense or the need for the capacity to effectively exercise said right?It is the mentality the problem, not owning the guns alone. Americans need to get out of this idea that a gun is for protecting against the other...
