Guns are part of who we are as Americans

I think the Jews who tried to fight off the national socialists with a hand full of old pistols in the Polish Ghettos would strongly disagree with you.....

nope. Let's look at that.

They killed a whopping 17 Germans... and the Germans killed 13,000 of them and sent 56,000 of them off to the camps where they got to explor new career opportunities as bars of soap.

You've made my point... guns are fucking worthless in fighting dictators.

Absolutely fucking worthless..

Thank you.


Unarmed Jewish people in the Ghetto...unarmed............. and the Germans had to redeploy units just for that.... if guns are so useless, you moron, then why is it the first action to disarm political opposition...you moron...

50,000 unarmed Jewish people were defeated by 1,262 men armed with rifles........had those 50,000 been as well armed, it wouldn't have happened....

The Warsaw Ghetto uprising......had they actually been as well armed as the Swiss, had all the peoples in Europe been as well armed as the Swiss, the Germans could never have held the territory they captured......that is what armed citizens do...they discourage aggression...

There were 13,000 Jews killed in the uprising...unarmed......if those 13,000 had rifles, the outcome would have been a lot worse for the Germans.....and had that taken place in every country......World War 2 would have been very different...


A German force was tiny compared to 50,000 Jews.....and yet because they were unarmed...that tiny German force was able to destroy them...

By his own words, Stroop reported that after he took command on 19 April 1943 the forces at his disposal totaled 31 officers and 1,262 men:[51]

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising - Wikipedia


Marek Edelman, who was the only surviving uprising commander from the left-wing ŻOB, stated that the ŻOB had 220 fighters and each was armed with a handgun, grenades, and Molotov cocktails.

His organization had three rifles in each area, as well as two land mines and one submachine gun.[20][21][22][23]

( Imagine if they had 50,000 rifles.....)


Due to its socialist leanings, the Soviets promoted the actions of ŻOB as the dominant or only party in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, a view often adopted by secondary sources in the West.[18]

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Death toll[edit]

Stroop Report original caption: "Bandits jump to escape capture." A man leaps to his death from the top story window of an apartment block. Taken at 23 and 25 Niska Street[67]

Plaque commemorating Home Armysoldiers - Eugeniusz Morawski ps. "Młodek" and Józef Wilk ps. "Orlik" killed during the Ghetto Action on the wall Church of St. John of God at ul. Bonifraterska 12 in Warsaw.
13,000 Jews were killed in the ghetto during the uprising (some 6,000 among them were burnt alive or died from smoke inhalation). Of the remaining 50,000 residents, most were captured and shipped to concentration and extermination camps, in particular to Treblinka.

Jürgen Stroop's internal SS daily report for Friedrich Krüger, written on 16 May 1943, stated:

180 Jews, bandits and sub-humans, were destroyed. The former Jewish quarter of Warsaw is no longer in existence. The large-scale action was terminated at 20:15 hours by blowing up the Warsaw Synagogue. ... Total number of Jews dealt with 56,065, including both Jews caught and Jews whose extermination can be proved. ... Apart from 8 buildings (police barracks, hospital, and accommodations for housing working-parties) the former Ghetto is completely destroyed. Only the dividing walls are left standing where no explosions were carried out.[42]

According to the casualty lists in Stroop's report, German forces suffered a total of 110 casualties – 17 dead (of whom 16 were killed in action) and 93 injured – of whom 101 are listed by name, including over 60 members of the Waffen-SS. These figures did not include Jewish collaborators, but did include the "Trawniki men" and Polish police under his command. The real number of German losses, however, may be well higher (the Germans suffered about 300 casualties by Edelman's estimate). For propaganda purposes, the official announcement claimed the German casualties to be only a few wounded, while propaganda bulletins of the Polish Underground Stateannounced that hundreds of occupiers had been killed in the fighting.
 
Unarmed Jewish people in the Ghetto...unarmed............. and the Germans had to redeploy units just for that.... if guns are so useless, you moron, then why is it the first action to disarm political opposition...you moron...

50,000 unarmed Jewish people were defeated by 1,262 men armed with rifles........had those 50,000 been as well armed, it wouldn't have happened....

Well, no, you see, they were armed with tanks... that was the thing...

And they rose up with those rifles against those tanks, and got their asses kicked.... 17 Dead Germans vs. 13,000 dead Jews... Um, that's not a battle, buddy, that's a SLAUGHTER.
 
Unarmed Jewish people in the Ghetto...unarmed............. and the Germans had to redeploy units just for that.... if guns are so useless, you moron, then why is it the first action to disarm political opposition...you moron...

50,000 unarmed Jewish people were defeated by 1,262 men armed with rifles........had those 50,000 been as well armed, it wouldn't have happened....

Well, no, you see, they were armed with tanks... that was the thing...

And they rose up with those rifles against those tanks, and got their asses kicked.... 17 Dead Germans vs. 13,000 dead Jews... Um, that's not a battle, buddy, that's a SLAUGHTER.


Tanks are pointless in urban warfare.... and tanks are used to take territory by defeating organized military units not hold the territory from pissed off locals...........

Again, Switzerland avoided being invaded because they had 435,000 armed citizens ready to fight any occupation....had France, Belgium, and the rest of Europe had armed citizens at the same levels, the Germans could never have held that territory, the man power needed to do it would have been impossible...... but unarmed, meek, helpless people are easy to control...as the Warsaw Ghetto uprising showed, when the 1,000 troops took on 50,000 unarmed people...
 
Unarmed Jewish people in the Ghetto...unarmed............. and the Germans had to redeploy units just for that.... if guns are so useless, you moron, then why is it the first action to disarm political opposition...you moron...

50,000 unarmed Jewish people were defeated by 1,262 men armed with rifles........had those 50,000 been as well armed, it wouldn't have happened....

Well, no, you see, they were armed with tanks... that was the thing...

And they rose up with those rifles against those tanks, and got their asses kicked.... 17 Dead Germans vs. 13,000 dead Jews... Um, that's not a battle, buddy, that's a SLAUGHTER.


Yes....you moron...because the Jews didn't have weapons......... you are making my point... 1,262 german socialists can't defeat 50,000 rilfe and pistol armed civilians....but they are easy to defeat when all they have are rocks....
 
Vietnam, Afghanistan.

You mean, "Gee, we got tired of beating you into a pulp. I mean, it was fun the first couple of years, but now it's getting boring and we aren't really accomplishing anything."

This is your best argument, buddy?

Trust me, your fat ass would never want to live like a Vietcong or a Muhajedin....
You do know that we lost in Vietnam don't you?

No that's not what happened. The army was handcuffed by politics.

Jo
Wrong.

The war in Vietnam was lost before it began: a conventional military using conventional tactics cannot defeat a determined, well-organized popular insurgency.


So that's why the left wants to take our guns...thanks for admitting it.


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No one wants to ‘take’ anyone’s guns; there are no ‘gun grabbers’ – liberals in particular.

Liberals support Second Amendment jurisprudence, are gunowners themselves, own guns for self-defense, and enjoy the shooting sports.

The only thing liberals have done wrong with regard to guns is to allow dishonest conservatives to propagate their ridiculous lies about ‘gun grabbers.’

No one wants to ‘take’ anyone’s guns; there are no ‘gun grabbers’ – liberals in particular.



Fucking liar you tried in Chicago and failed because of the 2nd


Quit lying..


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Again, Switzerland avoided being invaded because they had 435,000 armed citizens ready to fight any occupation....

No, they didn't get invaded because they collaborated with the fucking Nazis and laundered all their ill-gotten goods. All that gold in Swiss Vaults started off in people's mouths.

Moron.......if hitler could have invaded Switzerland he would have invaded it........he invaded everyone else and just seized their banks, you moron....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.


 
Moron.......if hitler could have invaded Switzerland he would have invaded it........he invaded everyone else and just seized their banks, you moron....

Well, he didn't invade "everyone else".

He didn't invade the UK, when that didn't prove feasible.

He didn't invade spain, portugal or sweden.

He didn't invade Bulgaria, Finland, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia or Italy because those countries were his allies.

He only invaded countries that gave him a tactical advantage to invade...
 
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^^^^The above doesn't show a ratio as a percentage of population.

Not difficult to just look at it an see how terrible are the figures.

Blacks make up roughly 13 percent of our population and shockingly, the number of murder victims exceeds that of the whites.
 
You moron. You Moon Bats are dumber than door knobs. The NRA is the biggest gun safety organization in the world.

33,000 gun deaths a year.. They really suck at the "gun Safety" thing.


You dumbass Moon Bat. Those gun crimes are not committed by NRA members. They are mostly committed by assholes in the big city shit holes controlled by Democrats.
 
I think the Jews who tried to fight off the national socialists with a hand full of old pistols in the Polish Ghettos would strongly disagree with you.....

nope. Let's look at that.

They killed a whopping 17 Germans... and the Germans killed 13,000 of them and sent 56,000 of them off to the camps where they got to explor new career opportunities as bars of soap.

You've made my point... guns are fucking worthless in fighting dictators.

Absolutely fucking worthless..

Thank you.


You fucking moron. History has many examples of lesser armed citizens taking power away from tyrants.

Guns are only useless to pussies like you who are afraid to use them if necessary.
 
Well, he didn't invade "everyone else".

He didn't invade the UK, when that didn't prove feasible.

He didn't invade spain, portugal or sweden.

He didn't invade Bulgaria, Finland, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia or Italy because those countries were his allies.

He only invaded countries that gave him a tactical advantage to invade...

Perhaps a bit of study on WW-II and Adolph Hitler would be in order. Spain, Portugal, and Sweden were not invaded because the declared themselves neutral. They capitulated with the Nazi's as did Switzerland. Since that time, Switzerland has apologized for having cooperated with the Nazi's. I don't know about Spain and Portugal but there was a great deal of animosity between Norway and Denmark with Sweden and the Swedish people.

The Nazi hierarchy also used the infamous and anonymous bank accounts for the gold and other treasure they stole.
 
You moron. You Moon Bats are dumber than door knobs. The NRA is the biggest gun safety organization in the world.

33,000 gun deaths a year.. They really suck at the "gun Safety" thing.

You must recall the CDC study which came as a shock to failed former President Barack Hussein Obama. I'm sure you recall to that it was Obama who ordered the study with an executive order after the Sandy Hook Tragedy.

"Here are some key findings from the CDC report, "Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence," released in June:

1. Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:

"Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was 'used' by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies."

2. Defensive uses of guns are common:

"Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year... in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008."

3. Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:

"The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons." The report also notes, "Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010."

4. "Interventions" (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce "mixed" results:

"Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue." The report could not conclude whether "passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime."

5. Gun buyback/turn-in programs are "ineffective" in reducing crime:

"There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002)."

6. Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:

"More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market."

7. The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:

"Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States."

CDC Gun Research Backfires on Obama - Guns and Ammo
 
The Left has been brainwashed by their elite Dem masters that America has been evil, and needs to be changed. This was the Fundamental Transformation Obama talked about. That is why they want Amnesty for illegals which essentially Open Borders. Another part is disarming the Law Abiding populace. Among other things.
This is also as ridiculous as it is ignorant and wrong – nothing but rightwing lies.

Conservatives are a reprehensible as they are dishonest.

What part of my post is untrue, or did I just HIT A NERVE?
------------------------------- your post on your concern is true [see katrina] and your thinking is just commom sense Pilots .
You’re both wrong about Katrina.

It was a rare aberration neither authorized nor sanctioned by any lawmaking body, no guns were retained by the City, and further seizures were prohibited by a Federal court.

The right to due process and the rule of law worked, ensuring that there won’t be another similar incident.

‘Ad hoc gun seizures are also unlikely to happen there, or anywhere else, again. On the heels of that DOJ investigation, the city’s police department made sweeping reforms. President Bush signed bipartisan legislation “to prohibit the confiscation of a firearm during an emergency or major disaster,” except temporarily “as a condition for entry into any mode of transportation used for rescue or evacuation.” And Compass, the NOPD superintendent who’d ordered the gun confiscation, is long gone. He resigned less than three weeks after issuing his fateful order.’

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/08/nra-hurricane-katrina-gun-confiscation/

Yet conservatives continue to propagate the Katrina lie – proving most on the right to be nothing but dishonest demagogues.
 
And had the rest of Europe not disarmed their own people, the national socialists could never have held all the ground they took...but the Euopeans did what you wanted....took guns away from their people so they were defenseless in the face of occupation...except the Swiss...who had 435,000 armed citizens with military rifles, and the national socialists didn't invade them....it would have been too much effort.......

The Nazi's did not invade Switzerland for several reasons. One was that it was too tiny to bother with invading until all their other goals had been accomplished. The other was that the Swiss agreed to cooperate with the Nazis. The Nazi hierarchy also used the infamous Swiss banks with their anonymous bank accounts to hide billions in gold and stolen treasure. Since then, in the 90's I believe, the Swiss have apologized for their part in helping the Nazis and denying Jews refuge.
 
Love it when all the Libs wet the bed over legally owned guns used responsibly by law abiding citizens.
I love it when all the reichtards go berzerk when anyone thinks about gun regulation.

We already have 22,000 illegal gun laws on the books. So yes there are already regulations, on the Fed, State, and Local level. Many are severe. All are unconstitutional.

Guess you didn't know that. Also, violence, and murder are against the law.
lol

This is as ignorant as it is ridiculous.

If a firearm regulatory measure is being lawfully enforced, then it’s perfectly Constitutional.

Only the courts have the authority to determine what laws are or are not Constitutional, ultimately the Supreme Court – not message board posters.
 

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