Gun Rights vs. Gay Rights

[AceRothstein]

Not bans on gay marriage. Not now.

OK, lets go slow. All states have to accept other states gay marriage licenses, but all states do not have to accept other states CC permits?

and you don't see the contradiction there?

States have to accept other states gay marriage licenses because they are accepting their straight marriage licenses. It would be similar to one state accepting CC licenses from black people from one state but not the white people from the same state. Critical thinking is hard.

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

They do not. There is a big difference between a marriage license and a conceal carry permit.

No, they are both licenses issued by a state to a resident/residents of that state. Legally they are exactly the same as a drivers license issued by one state that is accepted in every other state.

Except they aren't the same. The court has ruled on this previously.

 

[Redfish]

and state marriage regulations aren't?

Not bans on gay marriage. Not now.

OK, lets go slow. All states have to accept other states gay marriage licenses, but all states do not have to accept other states CC permits?

and you don't see the contradiction there?

States have to accept other states gay marriage licenses because they are accepting their straight marriage licenses. It would be similar to one state accepting CC licenses from black people from one state but not the white people from the same state. Critical thinking is hard.

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

You are an idiot. Admit it and move on. "States" have to accept marriage licenses; people don't. And states can enact any restriction on weapons that does not violate the Second Amendment. The conservatives on this Supreme Court made it clear that laws regulating the concealed carrying of firearms are constitutional. There is no requirement that there be uniformity in such laws. You write as if the Supreme Court has not already ruled on the ability of the states to regulate firearms when they have.

contradictory rulings by the SC are nothing new. Sometimes they correct them, sometimes they don't.

You are talking out of your ass on this because you have a problem with equal rights when they apply to gun owners. you, like most liberals, are a hypocrite.

 

[paddymurphy]

OK, lets go slow. All states have to accept other states gay marriage licenses, but all states do not have to accept other states CC permits?

and you don't see the contradiction there?

States have to accept other states gay marriage licenses because they are accepting their straight marriage licenses. It would be similar to one state accepting CC licenses from black people from one state but not the white people from the same state. Critical thinking is hard.

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

They do not. There is a big difference between a marriage license and a conceal carry permit.

No, they are both licenses issued by a state to a resident/residents of that state. Legally they are exactly the same as a drivers license issued by one state that is accepted in every other state.

As a matter of settled law, that is not true. But, go ahead and keep posting claims you really know nothing about.

More importantly, a "marriage license" from one state is not recognized in another state, only the marriage is. You get a Marriage license and then have the marriage ceremony where the officiant signs the license, signifying that you are married. You cannot obtain a marriage license in Pennsylvania and then take it to Ohio and have an Ohio officiant perform the ceremony.

 

[Redfish]

OK, lets go slow. All states have to accept other states gay marriage licenses, but all states do not have to accept other states CC permits?

and you don't see the contradiction there?

States have to accept other states gay marriage licenses because they are accepting their straight marriage licenses. It would be similar to one state accepting CC licenses from black people from one state but not the white people from the same state. Critical thinking is hard.

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

They do not. There is a big difference between a marriage license and a conceal carry permit.

No, they are both licenses issued by a state to a resident/residents of that state. Legally they are exactly the same as a drivers license issued by one state that is accepted in every other state.

Except they aren't the same. The court has ruled on this previously.

the court is wrong on that. the gay marriage ruling presents a valid precedent to challenge the previous gun rulings. We will see if anyone decides to take that on.

 

[paddymurphy]

Not bans on gay marriage. Not now.

OK, lets go slow. All states have to accept other states gay marriage licenses, but all states do not have to accept other states CC permits?

and you don't see the contradiction there?

States have to accept other states gay marriage licenses because they are accepting their straight marriage licenses. It would be similar to one state accepting CC licenses from black people from one state but not the white people from the same state. Critical thinking is hard.

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

You are an idiot. Admit it and move on. "States" have to accept marriage licenses; people don't. And states can enact any restriction on weapons that does not violate the Second Amendment. The conservatives on this Supreme Court made it clear that laws regulating the concealed carrying of firearms are constitutional. There is no requirement that there be uniformity in such laws. You write as if the Supreme Court has not already ruled on the ability of the states to regulate firearms when they have.

contradictory rulings by the SC are nothing new. Sometimes they correct them, sometimes they don't.

You are talking out of your ass on this because you have a problem with equal rights when they apply to gun owners. you, like most liberals, are a hypocrite.

You cannot even name one Supreme Court case that addresses the ability of the states to regulate firearms. And there are not "conflicting Supreme Court decisions" on that issue. They only recently held that the Second Amendment even applies to state regulations. What is not equal about a business banning anyone from bringing a gun onto their property?

 

[Redfish]

States have to accept other states gay marriage licenses because they are accepting their straight marriage licenses. It would be similar to one state accepting CC licenses from black people from one state but not the white people from the same state. Critical thinking is hard.

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

They do not. There is a big difference between a marriage license and a conceal carry permit.

No, they are both licenses issued by a state to a resident/residents of that state. Legally they are exactly the same as a drivers license issued by one state that is accepted in every other state.

As a matter of settled law, that is not true. But, go ahead and keep posting claims you really know nothing about.

More importantly, a "marriage license" from one state is not recognized in another state, only the marriage is. You get a Marriage license and then have the marriage ceremony where the officiant signs the license, signifying that you are married. You cannot obtain a marriage license in Pennsylvania and then take it to Ohio and have an Ohio officiant perform the ceremony.

no, but you can take a Penn drivers license to Ohio and drive legally. Its the same legal argument. Based on the SC ruling on gay marriage, there is absolutely no reason why a couple could not get a license in one state and be married in another state.

 

[paddymurphy]

States have to accept other states gay marriage licenses because they are accepting their straight marriage licenses. It would be similar to one state accepting CC licenses from black people from one state but not the white people from the same state. Critical thinking is hard.

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

They do not. There is a big difference between a marriage license and a conceal carry permit.

No, they are both licenses issued by a state to a resident/residents of that state. Legally they are exactly the same as a drivers license issued by one state that is accepted in every other state.

Except they aren't the same. The court has ruled on this previously.

the court is wrong on that. the gay marriage ruling presents a valid precedent to challenge the previous gun rulings. We will see if anyone decides to take that on.

No one with a law degree will advance that idiotic proposition. And what "previous gun rulings" are you referring to? The ones I was referring to were decided by this Supreme Court in opinions written by Scalia joined by the conservatives. They held that while the second amendment applies to state and local regulations, it does not prohibit any regulation. They specifically held that it was permissible for states to ban firearms from certain places, like courts and schools and government buildings.

 

[Redfish]

OK, lets go slow. All states have to accept other states gay marriage licenses, but all states do not have to accept other states CC permits?

and you don't see the contradiction there?

States have to accept other states gay marriage licenses because they are accepting their straight marriage licenses. It would be similar to one state accepting CC licenses from black people from one state but not the white people from the same state. Critical thinking is hard.

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

You are an idiot. Admit it and move on. "States" have to accept marriage licenses; people don't. And states can enact any restriction on weapons that does not violate the Second Amendment. The conservatives on this Supreme Court made it clear that laws regulating the concealed carrying of firearms are constitutional. There is no requirement that there be uniformity in such laws. You write as if the Supreme Court has not already ruled on the ability of the states to regulate firearms when they have.

contradictory rulings by the SC are nothing new. Sometimes they correct them, sometimes they don't.

You are talking out of your ass on this because you have a problem with equal rights when they apply to gun owners. you, like most liberals, are a hypocrite.

You cannot even name one Supreme Court case that addresses the ability of the states to regulate firearms. And there are not "conflicting Supreme Court decisions" on that issue. They only recently held that the Second Amendment even applies to state regulations. What is not equal about a business banning anyone from bringing a gun onto their property?

If its legal to post a "no guns allowed" sign, then it should also be legal to post a "no gays allowed" sign or a "no honkies allowed" sign. As a case in point, there are many bars in the lower ninth ward of NOLA where no whites are "allowed". It you think thats illegal, I suggest you try to go in one and buy a beer.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Shouldn't we be denying gays the right to own guns? I mean if gays are such a threat to society...

why would you propose such discrimination? Well I guess because you support state by state discrimination against legal gun permits.

Why would you deny gays the right to marry?

 

[paddymurphy]

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

They do not. There is a big difference between a marriage license and a conceal carry permit.

No, they are both licenses issued by a state to a resident/residents of that state. Legally they are exactly the same as a drivers license issued by one state that is accepted in every other state.

As a matter of settled law, that is not true. But, go ahead and keep posting claims you really know nothing about.

More importantly, a "marriage license" from one state is not recognized in another state, only the marriage is. You get a Marriage license and then have the marriage ceremony where the officiant signs the license, signifying that you are married. You cannot obtain a marriage license in Pennsylvania and then take it to Ohio and have an Ohio officiant perform the ceremony.

no, but you can take a Penn drivers license to Ohio and drive legally. Its the same legal argument. Based on the SC ruling on gay marriage, there is absolutely no reason why a couple could not get a license in one state and be married in another state.

You fail to understand the Supreme Court opinion. Hell, you never even read it, did you? It says that any law that bans same sex marriage is unconstitutional And it says that states have to recognize "marriages" performed in other states. The ruling has no effect on the ability of a state to require that you obtain a marriage license in that state if you want the ceremony held there. Can you get a learners' permit and PA and then take that into Ohio for the driver's test?

 

[NYcarbineer]

States have to accept other states gay marriage licenses because they are accepting their straight marriage licenses. It would be similar to one state accepting CC licenses from black people from one state but not the white people from the same state. Critical thinking is hard.

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

You are an idiot. Admit it and move on. "States" have to accept marriage licenses; people don't. And states can enact any restriction on weapons that does not violate the Second Amendment. The conservatives on this Supreme Court made it clear that laws regulating the concealed carrying of firearms are constitutional. There is no requirement that there be uniformity in such laws. You write as if the Supreme Court has not already ruled on the ability of the states to regulate firearms when they have.

contradictory rulings by the SC are nothing new. Sometimes they correct them, sometimes they don't.

You are talking out of your ass on this because you have a problem with equal rights when they apply to gun owners. you, like most liberals, are a hypocrite.

You cannot even name one Supreme Court case that addresses the ability of the states to regulate firearms. And there are not "conflicting Supreme Court decisions" on that issue. They only recently held that the Second Amendment even applies to state regulations. What is not equal about a business banning anyone from bringing a gun onto their property?

If its legal to post a "no guns allowed" sign, then it should also be legal to post a "no gays allowed" sign or a "no honkies allowed" sign. As a case in point, there are many bars in the lower ninth ward of NOLA where no whites are "allowed". It you think thats illegal, I suggest you try to go in one and buy a beer.

Some people can recognize the difference between allowing a guy to walk into a bank carrying an AR15 and a gay walking into a bank carrying his paycheck.

Apparently you can't.

 

[Redfish]

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

They do not. There is a big difference between a marriage license and a conceal carry permit.

No, they are both licenses issued by a state to a resident/residents of that state. Legally they are exactly the same as a drivers license issued by one state that is accepted in every other state.

Except they aren't the same. The court has ruled on this previously.

the court is wrong on that. the gay marriage ruling presents a valid precedent to challenge the previous gun rulings. We will see if anyone decides to take that on.

No one with a law degree will advance that idiotic proposition. And what "previous gun rulings" are you referring to? The ones I was referring to were decided by this Supreme Court in opinions written by Scalia joined by the conservatives. They held that while the second amendment applies to state and local regulations, it does not prohibit any regulation. They specifically held that it was permissible for states to ban firearms from certain places, like courts and schools and government buildings.

apples and oranges. banning guns in courtrooms does not equate to interstate acceptance of CC permits.

nice try, but you are way off topic.

 

[Redfish]

They do not. There is a big difference between a marriage license and a conceal carry permit.

No, they are both licenses issued by a state to a resident/residents of that state. Legally they are exactly the same as a drivers license issued by one state that is accepted in every other state.

As a matter of settled law, that is not true. But, go ahead and keep posting claims you really know nothing about.

More importantly, a "marriage license" from one state is not recognized in another state, only the marriage is. You get a Marriage license and then have the marriage ceremony where the officiant signs the license, signifying that you are married. You cannot obtain a marriage license in Pennsylvania and then take it to Ohio and have an Ohio officiant perform the ceremony.

no, but you can take a Penn drivers license to Ohio and drive legally. Its the same legal argument. Based on the SC ruling on gay marriage, there is absolutely no reason why a couple could not get a license in one state and be married in another state.

You fail to understand the Supreme Court opinion. Hell, you never even read it, did you? It says that any law that bans same sex marriage is unconstitutional And it says that states have to recognize "marriages" performed in other states. The ruling has no effect on the ability of a state to require that you obtain a marriage license in that state if you want the ceremony held there. Can you get a learners' permit and PA and then take that into Ohio for the driver's test?

actually you probably can.

 

[paddymurphy]

States have to accept other states gay marriage licenses because they are accepting their straight marriage licenses. It would be similar to one state accepting CC licenses from black people from one state but not the white people from the same state. Critical thinking is hard.

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

You are an idiot. Admit it and move on. "States" have to accept marriage licenses; people don't. And states can enact any restriction on weapons that does not violate the Second Amendment. The conservatives on this Supreme Court made it clear that laws regulating the concealed carrying of firearms are constitutional. There is no requirement that there be uniformity in such laws. You write as if the Supreme Court has not already ruled on the ability of the states to regulate firearms when they have.

contradictory rulings by the SC are nothing new. Sometimes they correct them, sometimes they don't.

You are talking out of your ass on this because you have a problem with equal rights when they apply to gun owners. you, like most liberals, are a hypocrite.

You cannot even name one Supreme Court case that addresses the ability of the states to regulate firearms. And there are not "conflicting Supreme Court decisions" on that issue. They only recently held that the Second Amendment even applies to state regulations. What is not equal about a business banning anyone from bringing a gun onto their property?

If its legal to post a "no guns allowed" sign, then it should also be legal to post a "no gays allowed" sign or a "no honkies allowed" sign. As a case in point, there are many bars in the lower ninth ward of NOLA where no whites are "allowed". It you think that is illegal, I suggest you try to go in one and buy a beer.

Should be, but is not. It is perfectly legal anywhere for a private business to ban guns. It is also legal most places to discriminate against gays, though that is changing. It is not legal to ban any particular race. The fact that bars in the lower ninth ward have the sense to make fools like you unwelcome, has nothing to do with whether that is legal.

 

[NYcarbineer]

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

They do not. There is a big difference between a marriage license and a conceal carry permit.

No, they are both licenses issued by a state to a resident/residents of that state. Legally they are exactly the same as a drivers license issued by one state that is accepted in every other state.

As a matter of settled law, that is not true. But, go ahead and keep posting claims you really know nothing about.

More importantly, a "marriage license" from one state is not recognized in another state, only the marriage is. You get a Marriage license and then have the marriage ceremony where the officiant signs the license, signifying that you are married. You cannot obtain a marriage license in Pennsylvania and then take it to Ohio and have an Ohio officiant perform the ceremony.

no, but you can take a Penn drivers license to Ohio and drive legally. Its the same legal argument. Based on the SC ruling on gay marriage, there is absolutely no reason why a couple could not get a license in one state and be married in another state.

I can't hunt or fish in PA legally with my NY licenses. Why is that?

 

[Redfish]

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

You are an idiot. Admit it and move on. "States" have to accept marriage licenses; people don't. And states can enact any restriction on weapons that does not violate the Second Amendment. The conservatives on this Supreme Court made it clear that laws regulating the concealed carrying of firearms are constitutional. There is no requirement that there be uniformity in such laws. You write as if the Supreme Court has not already ruled on the ability of the states to regulate firearms when they have.

contradictory rulings by the SC are nothing new. Sometimes they correct them, sometimes they don't.

You are talking out of your ass on this because you have a problem with equal rights when they apply to gun owners. you, like most liberals, are a hypocrite.

You cannot even name one Supreme Court case that addresses the ability of the states to regulate firearms. And there are not "conflicting Supreme Court decisions" on that issue. They only recently held that the Second Amendment even applies to state regulations. What is not equal about a business banning anyone from bringing a gun onto their property?

If its legal to post a "no guns allowed" sign, then it should also be legal to post a "no gays allowed" sign or a "no honkies allowed" sign. As a case in point, there are many bars in the lower ninth ward of NOLA where no whites are "allowed". It you think thats illegal, I suggest you try to go in one and buy a beer.

Some people can recognize the difference between allowing a guy to walk into a bank carrying an AR15 and a gay walking into a bank carrying his paycheck.

Apparently you can't.

thats just plain stupid, if you have nothing of value to add, just stay quiet.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You are an idiot. Admit it and move on. "States" have to accept marriage licenses; people don't. And states can enact any restriction on weapons that does not violate the Second Amendment. The conservatives on this Supreme Court made it clear that laws regulating the concealed carrying of firearms are constitutional. There is no requirement that there be uniformity in such laws. You write as if the Supreme Court has not already ruled on the ability of the states to regulate firearms when they have.

contradictory rulings by the SC are nothing new. Sometimes they correct them, sometimes they don't.

You are talking out of your ass on this because you have a problem with equal rights when they apply to gun owners. you, like most liberals, are a hypocrite.

You cannot even name one Supreme Court case that addresses the ability of the states to regulate firearms. And there are not "conflicting Supreme Court decisions" on that issue. They only recently held that the Second Amendment even applies to state regulations. What is not equal about a business banning anyone from bringing a gun onto their property?

If its legal to post a "no guns allowed" sign, then it should also be legal to post a "no gays allowed" sign or a "no honkies allowed" sign. As a case in point, there are many bars in the lower ninth ward of NOLA where no whites are "allowed". It you think thats illegal, I suggest you try to go in one and buy a beer.

Some people can recognize the difference between allowing a guy to walk into a bank carrying an AR15 and a gay walking into a bank carrying his paycheck.

Apparently you can't.

thats just plain stupid, if you have nothing of value to add, just stay quiet.

Why is it stupid? It's your contention. Defend it. Defend allowing five guys with pistols and rifles to walk into a bank uncontested.

 

[Redfish]

They do not. There is a big difference between a marriage license and a conceal carry permit.

No, they are both licenses issued by a state to a resident/residents of that state. Legally they are exactly the same as a drivers license issued by one state that is accepted in every other state.

As a matter of settled law, that is not true. But, go ahead and keep posting claims you really know nothing about.

More importantly, a "marriage license" from one state is not recognized in another state, only the marriage is. You get a Marriage license and then have the marriage ceremony where the officiant signs the license, signifying that you are married. You cannot obtain a marriage license in Pennsylvania and then take it to Ohio and have an Ohio officiant perform the ceremony.

no, but you can take a Penn drivers license to Ohio and drive legally. Its the same legal argument. Based on the SC ruling on gay marriage, there is absolutely no reason why a couple could not get a license in one state and be married in another state.

I can't hunt or fish in PA legally with my NY licenses. Why is that?

But you can drive, why is that? Some states to have reciprocity on hunting and fishing licenses. Louisiana and Mississippi used to, but the state treasurers realized that was costing them money so they stopped it.

 

[Redfish]

contradictory rulings by the SC are nothing new. Sometimes they correct them, sometimes they don't.

You are talking out of your ass on this because you have a problem with equal rights when they apply to gun owners. you, like most liberals, are a hypocrite.

You cannot even name one Supreme Court case that addresses the ability of the states to regulate firearms. And there are not "conflicting Supreme Court decisions" on that issue. They only recently held that the Second Amendment even applies to state regulations. What is not equal about a business banning anyone from bringing a gun onto their property?

If its legal to post a "no guns allowed" sign, then it should also be legal to post a "no gays allowed" sign or a "no honkies allowed" sign. As a case in point, there are many bars in the lower ninth ward of NOLA where no whites are "allowed". It you think thats illegal, I suggest you try to go in one and buy a beer.

Some people can recognize the difference between allowing a guy to walk into a bank carrying an AR15 and a gay walking into a bank carrying his paycheck.

Apparently you can't.

thats just plain stupid, if you have nothing of value to add, just stay quiet.

Why is it stupid? It's your contention. Defend it. Defend allowing five guys with pistols and rifles to walk into a bank uncontested.

show me where I every said you should be able to take a gun into a bank.

 

[Redfish]

no, you are spinning. States have to accept ALL marriage licenses issued by another state, they have to accept drivers licenses issued by another state. It is only logical that they should also have to accept CC permits issued by another state.

This is easy, its not complicated. You are wrong, admit it and move on.

You are an idiot. Admit it and move on. "States" have to accept marriage licenses; people don't. And states can enact any restriction on weapons that does not violate the Second Amendment. The conservatives on this Supreme Court made it clear that laws regulating the concealed carrying of firearms are constitutional. There is no requirement that there be uniformity in such laws. You write as if the Supreme Court has not already ruled on the ability of the states to regulate firearms when they have.

contradictory rulings by the SC are nothing new. Sometimes they correct them, sometimes they don't.

You are talking out of your ass on this because you have a problem with equal rights when they apply to gun owners. you, like most liberals, are a hypocrite.

You cannot even name one Supreme Court case that addresses the ability of the states to regulate firearms. And there are not "conflicting Supreme Court decisions" on that issue. They only recently held that the Second Amendment even applies to state regulations. What is not equal about a business banning anyone from bringing a gun onto their property?

If its legal to post a "no guns allowed" sign, then it should also be legal to post a "no gays allowed" sign or a "no honkies allowed" sign. As a case in point, there are many bars in the lower ninth ward of NOLA where no whites are "allowed". It you think that is illegal, I suggest you try to go in one and buy a beer.

Should be, but is not. It is perfectly legal anywhere for a private business to ban guns. It is also legal most places to discriminate against gays, though that is changing. It is not legal to ban any particular race. The fact that bars in the lower ninth ward have the sense to make fools like you unwelcome, has nothing to do with whether that is legal.

LOL, fools like you would also be unwelcome.