Gun Rights vs. Gay Rights

[hazlnut]

I already ended this thread when I pointed out that no one is born owning a gun or with a gun attached to their hand.

Done.

Get it?

It's over.

Go back to your lives, people.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I already ended this thread when I pointed out that no one is born owning a gun or with a gun attached to their hand.

In your tiny, meaningless world, yes.
Now, please leave the adults alone -- we're discussing grown-up things.

 

[PratchettFan]

I already ended this thread when I pointed out that no one is born owning a gun or with a gun attached to their hand.

Done.

Get it?

It's over.

Go back to your lives, people.

It would appear you are wrong.

 

[paddymurphy]

It would only apply if the state's PA laws included people who carry guns. If SCOTUS ruled on this based upon the 2nd, it would not involve PA laws at all.

One would think that, but considering SCOTUS last week essentially rewrote ACA, the precedent is there to allow them to add other rights and classes to public accommodation laws.

They did not rewrite ACA.

Yes, they essentially did. They extended subsidies to states with no exchange in direct violation of the intent of the law. ACA was written in such a way as to try and force Conservative states to jump on the band wagon. Many states called obama's bluff and he responded by giving people in those states subsidies in violation of the letter of the law.

No, they essentially didn't. They interpreted it in exactly the manner it was intended to be interpreted by the people who passed it into law.

the law says that subsidies should flow to customers “through an Exchange established by the state.”

The intent was to coerce states into setting up exchanges.

Not according to those who wrote it or those who passed it.

 

[Redfish]

As a gun owner and an advocate of concealed carry, I've often wondered about this: Currently all 50 states have some kind of a concealed carry law on the books. The state I live in allows concealed carry just about everywhere except on a school property, within a jail or courthouse, and any business establishment which posts a sign at all of the entrances, prohibiting the carry of weapons into the premise. Of course in my state, disregarding the sign only results in a misdemeanor trespassing charge if the offender refuses to leave.

However, could you imagine what would happen if a business put up a sign reading "Gays Not Allowed"? It seems to me that in one example the business would be attempting to refuse service on the basis of sexual preference and the other case, the business would be putting a person in jeopardy by depriving a person of their right to defend themselves.

In the case of the business which prohibited firearms, it would be easy to say "My business, my rules." But not so much in the other case.

Sorry friend, you gun does not earn equal protection.

My constitutional right is guaranteed in the 2nd Amendment. My choice of life partner is not.

And, if I am licensed to carry in one state, how can another state not recognize that under the full faith and credit clause?

Your choice of partner is guaranteed by the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment. Your right to make that choice of one of the same gender is protected by the Equal protection clause. The application of the Full Faith and Credit Clause to licensing of guns has not been addressed in Court.

choice of partner is guaranteed, you are correct. Calling a gay union a marriage is NOT guaranteed.

 

[paddymurphy]

As a gun owner and an advocate of concealed carry, I've often wondered about this: Currently all 50 states have some kind of a concealed carry law on the books. The state I live in allows concealed carry just about everywhere except on a school property, within a jail or courthouse, and any business establishment which posts a sign at all of the entrances, prohibiting the carry of weapons into the premise. Of course in my state, disregarding the sign only results in a misdemeanor trespassing charge if the offender refuses to leave.

However, could you imagine what would happen if a business put up a sign reading "Gays Not Allowed"? It seems to me that in one example the business would be attempting to refuse service on the basis of sexual preference and the other case, the business would be putting a person in jeopardy by depriving a person of their right to defend themselves.

In the case of the business which prohibited firearms, it would be easy to say "My business, my rules." But not so much in the other case.

Sorry friend, you gun does not earn equal protection.

My constitutional right is guaranteed in the 2nd Amendment. My choice of life partner is not.

And, if I am licensed to carry in one state, how can another state not recognize that under the full faith and credit clause?

Your choice of partner is guaranteed by the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment. Your right to make that choice of one of the same gender is protected by the Equal protection clause. The application of the Full Faith and Credit Clause to licensing of guns has not been addressed in Court.

choice of partner is guaranteed, you are correct. Calling a gay union a marriage is NOT guaranteed.

It is now.

 

[Redfish]

apples and oranges. banning guns in courtrooms does not equate to interstate acceptance of CC permits.

nice try, but you are way off topic.

No, asshat, the topic is the Supreme

actually you probably can.

Do you often make statements on issues you have no fucking clue about? You cannot take a PA leaner's permit to Ohio and take the test. First of all, you have to be a RESIDENT of a state to have a license issued there. Second... wait, there is no second. You cannot use a Pa learners permit to take an Ohio test; you cannot use a marriage license issued in Pa and then get married in Ohio; you cannot use a Pa Concealed Carry permit to carry in Ohio. Of course, the states clearly have the right to pass laws that do allow that. They can enter into reciprocity agreements with other states that recognizes permits issued in other states. Some have already done that. That, of course, has nothing to do with the right of a business to ban guns.

OK here ya go. a family lives in Pa, their 14 year old gets a Pa learners permit. two years later the family moves to Ohio, the 16 year old goes to the DMV to get a drivers license. he shows his Pa permit to prove that he had one.

Why is that liberals cannot think logically?

They moved there, you fucking moron. They became residents of Ohio. Only Ohio could issue him a license. That is not what we were talking about. We were talking about residents on one state having their "licenses' recognized in other states. Try to keep up..

your drivers license is recognized by all states, you fuckin moron.

Never said they were not. Again, however, that is not what we were talking about.

that is exactly what we are talking about, state issued licenses being accepted by other states.

 

[paddymurphy]

No, asshat, the topic is the Supreme
Do you often make statements on issues you have no fucking clue about? You cannot take a PA leaner's permit to Ohio and take the test. First of all, you have to be a RESIDENT of a state to have a license issued there. Second... wait, there is no second. You cannot use a Pa learners permit to take an Ohio test; you cannot use a marriage license issued in Pa and then get married in Ohio; you cannot use a Pa Concealed Carry permit to carry in Ohio. Of course, the states clearly have the right to pass laws that do allow that. They can enter into reciprocity agreements with other states that recognizes permits issued in other states. Some have already done that. That, of course, has nothing to do with the right of a business to ban guns.

OK here ya go. a family lives in Pa, their 14 year old gets a Pa learners permit. two years later the family moves to Ohio, the 16 year old goes to the DMV to get a drivers license. he shows his Pa permit to prove that he had one.

Why is that liberals cannot think logically?

They moved there, you fucking moron. They became residents of Ohio. Only Ohio could issue him a license. That is not what we were talking about. We were talking about residents on one state having their "licenses' recognized in other states. Try to keep up..

your drivers license is recognized by all states, you fuckin moron.

Never said they were not. Again, however, that is not what we were talking about.

that is exactly what we are talking about, state issued licenses being accepted by other states.

Sorry, but if I continue to engage with you some of your utter stupidity might wear off on me.

 

[Redfish]

As a gun owner and an advocate of concealed carry, I've often wondered about this: Currently all 50 states have some kind of a concealed carry law on the books. The state I live in allows concealed carry just about everywhere except on a school property, within a jail or courthouse, and any business establishment which posts a sign at all of the entrances, prohibiting the carry of weapons into the premise. Of course in my state, disregarding the sign only results in a misdemeanor trespassing charge if the offender refuses to leave.

However, could you imagine what would happen if a business put up a sign reading "Gays Not Allowed"? It seems to me that in one example the business would be attempting to refuse service on the basis of sexual preference and the other case, the business would be putting a person in jeopardy by depriving a person of their right to defend themselves.

In the case of the business which prohibited firearms, it would be easy to say "My business, my rules." But not so much in the other case.

Sorry friend, you gun does not earn equal protection.

My constitutional right is guaranteed in the 2nd Amendment. My choice of life partner is not.

And, if I am licensed to carry in one state, how can another state not recognize that under the full faith and credit clause?

Your choice of partner is guaranteed by the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment. Your right to make that choice of one of the same gender is protected by the Equal protection clause. The application of the Full Faith and Credit Clause to licensing of guns has not been addressed in Court.

choice of partner is guaranteed, you are correct. Calling a gay union a marriage is NOT guaranteed.

It is now.

yes, it is now. and soon you can marry your sibling, your parent, and multiple persons of both sexes.

Calling it a marriage is about getting the tax breaks, we get it. You fools have set a precedent that will be very hard to stop.

 

[paddymurphy]

Sorry friend, you gun does not earn equal protection.

My constitutional right is guaranteed in the 2nd Amendment. My choice of life partner is not.

And, if I am licensed to carry in one state, how can another state not recognize that under the full faith and credit clause?

Your choice of partner is guaranteed by the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment. Your right to make that choice of one of the same gender is protected by the Equal protection clause. The application of the Full Faith and Credit Clause to licensing of guns has not been addressed in Court.

choice of partner is guaranteed, you are correct. Calling a gay union a marriage is NOT guaranteed.

It is now.

yes, it is now. and soon you can marry your sibling, your parent, and multiple persons of both sexes.

Calling it a marriage is about getting the tax breaks, we get it. You fools have set a precedent that will be very hard to stop.

"soon you can marry your sibling" You wish. Look what happened when your parents did that.

 

[Redfish]

OK here ya go. a family lives in Pa, their 14 year old gets a Pa learners permit. two years later the family moves to Ohio, the 16 year old goes to the DMV to get a drivers license. he shows his Pa permit to prove that he had one.

Why is that liberals cannot think logically?

They moved there, you fucking moron. They became residents of Ohio. Only Ohio could issue him a license. That is not what we were talking about. We were talking about residents on one state having their "licenses' recognized in other states. Try to keep up..

your drivers license is recognized by all states, you fuckin moron.

Never said they were not. Again, however, that is not what we were talking about.

that is exactly what we are talking about, state issued licenses being accepted by other states.

Sorry, but if I continue to engage with you some of your utter stupidity might wear off on me.

more likely some of my brilliance, insight, experience, knowledge, and common sense. But those qualities are poison to the liberal mind. its that defective liberal gene.

have you heard about it? its been identified as DRD 4. It is a defective gene found in all liberal minds. Google it, you might learn something about yourself.

 

[Redfish]

My constitutional right is guaranteed in the 2nd Amendment. My choice of life partner is not.

And, if I am licensed to carry in one state, how can another state not recognize that under the full faith and credit clause?

Your choice of partner is guaranteed by the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment. Your right to make that choice of one of the same gender is protected by the Equal protection clause. The application of the Full Faith and Credit Clause to licensing of guns has not been addressed in Court.

choice of partner is guaranteed, you are correct. Calling a gay union a marriage is NOT guaranteed.

It is now.

yes, it is now. and soon you can marry your sibling, your parent, and multiple persons of both sexes.

Calling it a marriage is about getting the tax breaks, we get it. You fools have set a precedent that will be very hard to stop.

"soon you can marry your sibling" You wish. Look what happened when your parents did that.

thats only done in the hills of kentucky and west virginia, and some parts of upper new york state. Which of those places are you from?

 

[paddymurphy]

They moved there, you fucking moron. They became residents of Ohio. Only Ohio could issue him a license. That is not what we were talking about. We were talking about residents on one state having their "licenses' recognized in other states. Try to keep up..

your drivers license is recognized by all states, you fuckin moron.

Never said they were not. Again, however, that is not what we were talking about.

that is exactly what we are talking about, state issued licenses being accepted by other states.

Sorry, but if I continue to engage with you some of your utter stupidity might wear off on me.

more likely some of my brilliance, insight, experience, knowledge, and common sense. But those qualities are poison to the liberal mind. its that defective liberal gene.

have you heard about it? its been identified as DRD 4. It is a defective gene found in all liberal minds. Google it, you might learn something about yourself.

This is what we were talking about. Your brilliance, insight etc. is part of your delusions. "Individuals who are at least 16 years old*, not nearer of kin than second cousins, and not having a spouse living.

*An applicant younger than 18 years old must first get the consent of his or her parents or guardian and also have proof that he or she has received marriage counseling.

If you are getting married in the State of Ohio and are a resident of Ohio you must obtain your license within the county where either applicant resides. The license is valid anywhere in the State of Ohio. If you are not a resident of Ohio, but are getting married in Ohio, you must obtain your license in the county where the ceremony will take place."

Marriage License Department - Probate Court Franklin County Ohio

 

[Redfish]

your drivers license is recognized by all states, you fuckin moron.

Never said they were not. Again, however, that is not what we were talking about.

that is exactly what we are talking about, state issued licenses being accepted by other states.

Sorry, but if I continue to engage with you some of your utter stupidity might wear off on me.

more likely some of my brilliance, insight, experience, knowledge, and common sense. But those qualities are poison to the liberal mind. its that defective liberal gene.

have you heard about it? its been identified as DRD 4. It is a defective gene found in all liberal minds. Google it, you might learn something about yourself.

This is what we were talking about. Your brilliance, insight etc. is part of your delusions. "Individuals who are at least 16 years old*, not nearer of kin than second cousins, and not having a spouse living.

*An applicant younger than 18 years old must first get the consent of his or her parents or guardian and also have proof that he or she has received marriage counseling.

If you are getting married in the State of Ohio and are a resident of Ohio you must obtain your license within the county where either applicant resides. The license is valid anywhere in the State of Ohio. If you are not a resident of Ohio, but are getting married in Ohio, you must obtain your license in the county where the ceremony will take place."

Marriage License Department - Probate Court Franklin County Ohio

I get all that. What I am saying is that the SC ruling on gay marriage provides a valid legal precedent to do away with those laws as being discriminatory.

I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding that simple concept.

 

[paddymurphy]

Never said they were not. Again, however, that is not what we were talking about.

that is exactly what we are talking about, state issued licenses being accepted by other states.

Sorry, but if I continue to engage with you some of your utter stupidity might wear off on me.

more likely some of my brilliance, insight, experience, knowledge, and common sense. But those qualities are poison to the liberal mind. its that defective liberal gene.

have you heard about it? its been identified as DRD 4. It is a defective gene found in all liberal minds. Google it, you might learn something about yourself.

This is what we were talking about. Your brilliance, insight etc. is part of your delusions. "Individuals who are at least 16 years old*, not nearer of kin than second cousins, and not having a spouse living.

*An applicant younger than 18 years old must first get the consent of his or her parents or guardian and also have proof that he or she has received marriage counseling.

If you are getting married in the State of Ohio and are a resident of Ohio you must obtain your license within the county where either applicant resides. The license is valid anywhere in the State of Ohio. If you are not a resident of Ohio, but are getting married in Ohio, you must obtain your license in the county where the ceremony will take place."

Marriage License Department - Probate Court Franklin County Ohio

I get all that. What I am saying is that the SC ruling on gay marriage provides a valid legal precedent to do away with those laws as being discriminatory.

I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding that simple concept.

So, now you understand it. All day you posted idiotic claims to the contrary.

 

[Redfish]

that is exactly what we are talking about, state issued licenses being accepted by other states.

Sorry, but if I continue to engage with you some of your utter stupidity might wear off on me.

more likely some of my brilliance, insight, experience, knowledge, and common sense. But those qualities are poison to the liberal mind. its that defective liberal gene.

have you heard about it? its been identified as DRD 4. It is a defective gene found in all liberal minds. Google it, you might learn something about yourself.

This is what we were talking about. Your brilliance, insight etc. is part of your delusions. "Individuals who are at least 16 years old*, not nearer of kin than second cousins, and not having a spouse living.

*An applicant younger than 18 years old must first get the consent of his or her parents or guardian and also have proof that he or she has received marriage counseling.

If you are getting married in the State of Ohio and are a resident of Ohio you must obtain your license within the county where either applicant resides. The license is valid anywhere in the State of Ohio. If you are not a resident of Ohio, but are getting married in Ohio, you must obtain your license in the county where the ceremony will take place."

Marriage License Department - Probate Court Franklin County Ohio

I get all that. What I am saying is that the SC ruling on gay marriage provides a valid legal precedent to do away with those laws as being discriminatory.

I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding that simple concept.

So, now you understand it. All day you posted idiotic claims to the contrary.

Ay Paddy mah boy, too much time in the pub, is it? can ya sing a few bars of Danny Boy for us before ya fall off da bar stool?

 

[paddymurphy]

Sorry, but if I continue to engage with you some of your utter stupidity might wear off on me.

more likely some of my brilliance, insight, experience, knowledge, and common sense. But those qualities are poison to the liberal mind. its that defective liberal gene.

have you heard about it? its been identified as DRD 4. It is a defective gene found in all liberal minds. Google it, you might learn something about yourself.

This is what we were talking about. Your brilliance, insight etc. is part of your delusions. "Individuals who are at least 16 years old*, not nearer of kin than second cousins, and not having a spouse living.

*An applicant younger than 18 years old must first get the consent of his or her parents or guardian and also have proof that he or she has received marriage counseling.

If you are getting married in the State of Ohio and are a resident of Ohio you must obtain your license within the county where either applicant resides. The license is valid anywhere in the State of Ohio. If you are not a resident of Ohio, but are getting married in Ohio, you must obtain your license in the county where the ceremony will take place."

Marriage License Department - Probate Court Franklin County Ohio

I get all that. What I am saying is that the SC ruling on gay marriage provides a valid legal precedent to do away with those laws as being discriminatory.

I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding that simple concept.

So, now you understand it. All day you posted idiotic claims to the contrary.

Ay Paddy mah boy, too much time in the pub, is it? can ya sing a few bars of Danny Boy for us before ya fall off da bar stool?

Not surprising that you would resort to some other bigoted stereotype. Stupid people always do.

 

[Redfish]

more likely some of my brilliance, insight, experience, knowledge, and common sense. But those qualities are poison to the liberal mind. its that defective liberal gene.

have you heard about it? its been identified as DRD 4. It is a defective gene found in all liberal minds. Google it, you might learn something about yourself.

This is what we were talking about. Your brilliance, insight etc. is part of your delusions. "Individuals who are at least 16 years old*, not nearer of kin than second cousins, and not having a spouse living.

*An applicant younger than 18 years old must first get the consent of his or her parents or guardian and also have proof that he or she has received marriage counseling.

If you are getting married in the State of Ohio and are a resident of Ohio you must obtain your license within the county where either applicant resides. The license is valid anywhere in the State of Ohio. If you are not a resident of Ohio, but are getting married in Ohio, you must obtain your license in the county where the ceremony will take place."

Marriage License Department - Probate Court Franklin County Ohio

I get all that. What I am saying is that the SC ruling on gay marriage provides a valid legal precedent to do away with those laws as being discriminatory.

I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding that simple concept.

So, now you understand it. All day you posted idiotic claims to the contrary.

Ay Paddy mah boy, too much time in the pub, is it? can ya sing a few bars of Danny Boy for us before ya fall off da bar stool?

Not surprising that you would resort to some other bigoted stereotype. Stupid people always do.

I'm not ashamed of my irish heritage, why are you?

Have you no sense of humor? does everything have to be sooooooooooo serious?

 

[paddymurphy]

This is what we were talking about. Your brilliance, insight etc. is part of your delusions. "Individuals who are at least 16 years old*, not nearer of kin than second cousins, and not having a spouse living.

*An applicant younger than 18 years old must first get the consent of his or her parents or guardian and also have proof that he or she has received marriage counseling.

If you are getting married in the State of Ohio and are a resident of Ohio you must obtain your license within the county where either applicant resides. The license is valid anywhere in the State of Ohio. If you are not a resident of Ohio, but are getting married in Ohio, you must obtain your license in the county where the ceremony will take place."

Marriage License Department - Probate Court Franklin County Ohio

I get all that. What I am saying is that the SC ruling on gay marriage provides a valid legal precedent to do away with those laws as being discriminatory.

I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding that simple concept.

So, now you understand it. All day you posted idiotic claims to the contrary.

Ay Paddy mah boy, too much time in the pub, is it? can ya sing a few bars of Danny Boy for us before ya fall off da bar stool?

Not surprising that you would resort to some other bigoted stereotype. Stupid people always do.

I'm not ashamed of my irish heritage, why are you?

Have you no sense of humor? does everything have to be sooooooooooo serious?

Actually, I was especially proud of my Irish Heritage when they voted overwhelmingly for marriage equality.

 

[The Rabbi]

I get all that. What I am saying is that the SC ruling on gay marriage provides a valid legal precedent to do away with those laws as being discriminatory.

I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding that simple concept.

So, now you understand it. All day you posted idiotic claims to the contrary.

Ay Paddy mah boy, too much time in the pub, is it? can ya sing a few bars of Danny Boy for us before ya fall off da bar stool?

Not surprising that you would resort to some other bigoted stereotype. Stupid people always do.

I'm not ashamed of my irish heritage, why are you?

Have you no sense of humor? does everything have to be sooooooooooo serious?

Actually, I was especially proud of my Irish Heritage when they voted overwhelmingly for marriage equality.

Taking pride in things you did nothing about is the mark of liberals.