Gun Owners Buy 14 Million + Guns in 2009. More Than 21 of the Worlds Standing Armies.

[RetiredGySgt]

Which begets this kind of thing

A. BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2009, A MANUFACTURER SHALL CODE ALL HANDGUN
8 AND ASSAULT WEAPON AMMUNITION THAT IS MANUFACTURED OR SOLD IN THIS STATE.
9 THIS SECTION APPLIES TO ALL CALIBERS.
10 B. BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2011, A PRIVATE CITIZEN OR A RETAIL VENDOR
11 SHALL DISPOSE OF ALL NONCODED AMMUNITION THAT IS OWNED OR HELD BY THE CITIZEN
12 OR VENDOR.
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/48leg/2r/bills/hb2833p.pdf

Legislation

This has more to do with solving crimes, than gun control.

Wrong as usual.

 

[Missourian]

Did he say he would ban guns during the campaign, or in this century? Have the Super Majority passed any gun legislation?

Well, he didn't say he was gonna, so obviously that means he's not gonna. Cuz politicians always mean what they say and say what they mean, right?

I guess you trust the liar more than I trust the liar. I tend to not trust people who lie. I'm funny like that.

What did he lie about? I don't remember him saying he was going to ban guns or not ban guns. I suggest people wait until he start to push for something, before freaking out about it.

During a February 15, 2008 press conference, Obama stated, "I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation."[176] He supports the right of local municipalities to determine gun laws.[177][178] Obama has also stated that he will work to reintroduce the expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban and to make it permanent.[179] In Illinois, he backed changes to state law that included a ban on assault weapons sales and limiting handgun sales to one a month. In Congress, voted to leave gun-makers and dealers open to lawsuits for actions committed by third-parties.[180][181] Obama has proposed outlawing types of ammunition[182] Obama has stated he does not believe states should be allowed to issue concealed carry licenses.[183]

Comparison of United States presidential candidates, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Obama said it, he promised it and he acted on it. Period. All the spin in the world won't change it.

You seem to misunderstand the difference between BAN and CONFISCATE.

BAN means no longer available for sale, not take away.

People bought weapons they believed would no longer be sold.

Clinton's gun ban took gun owners by surprise, this time around they had plenty of lead time...and they took advantage of forewarning to make purchases they had been putting off.

They took him at his word...back when his word actually meant something.

As for having a super majority, Obama managed to do absolutely NOTHING with it. So why are you surprised he didn't manage move forward his anti second amendment agenda?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

He has made no move on guns since taking office.

Yes he did, Holder tried to reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban and got his ass handed to him by the Democrat controlled congress.

Why, yes, he did.

I stand corrected.

Someone check on RGS's Bible.

By the way? The assault weapon ban is Unconstitutional per the 1939 Supreme Court decision that stated that in order to BE protected by the 2nd Amendment a weapon MUST be of a use , used by or useful, to the Military.

 

[Article 15]

Yes he did, Holder tried to reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban and got his ass handed to him by the Democrat controlled congress.

Why, yes, he did.

I stand corrected.

Someone check on RGS's Bible.

By the way? The assault weapon ban is Unconstitutional per the 1939 Supreme Court decision that stated that in order to BE protected by the 2nd Amendment a weapon MUST be of a use , used by or useful, to the Military.

The way you word it sounds like it must be of a use, used or useful, to the military in order to be protected under the 2nd and not IF it is of a use, used or useful, to the military that it automatically gains protection under the 2nd.

Otherwise, it's grenade launchers for the public.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Why, yes, he did.

I stand corrected.

Someone check on RGS's Bible.

By the way? The assault weapon ban is Unconstitutional per the 1939 Supreme Court decision that stated that in order to BE protected by the 2nd Amendment a weapon MUST be of a use , used by or useful, to the Military.

The way you word it sounds like it must be of a use, used or useful, to the military in order to be protected under the 2nd and not IF it is of a use, used or useful, to the military.

Otherwise, it's grenade launchers for the public.

Be a dumb ass I do not mind. The second covers personal rifles and pistols. Not anything else. And I suspect with this Supreme Court that if it came to a shoving match they would agree with the 39 ruling.

It was not challenged before because the NRA was worried they might lose if they did. With the last ruling they do not HAVE that fear anymore.

 

[Article 15]

By the way? The assault weapon ban is Unconstitutional per the 1939 Supreme Court decision that stated that in order to BE protected by the 2nd Amendment a weapon MUST be of a use , used by or useful, to the Military.

The way you word it sounds like it must be of a use, used or useful, to the military in order to be protected under the 2nd and not IF it is of a use, used or useful, to the military.

Otherwise, it's grenade launchers for the public.

Be a dumb ass I do not mind. The second covers personal rifles and pistols. Not anything else. And I suspect with this Supreme Court that if it came to a shoving match they would agree with the 39 ruling.

It was not challenged before because the NRA was worried they might lose if they did. With the last ruling they do not HAVE that fear anymore.

All I am saying is if that ruling is stated the way you put it that means a weapon must meet those requirements to gain protection but it doesn't say that if a weapon meets those requirements it gains protection.

Stop being such a confrontational jackass.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The way you word it sounds like it must be of a use, used or useful, to the military in order to be protected under the 2nd and not IF it is of a use, used or useful, to the military.

Otherwise, it's grenade launchers for the public.

Be a dumb ass I do not mind. The second covers personal rifles and pistols. Not anything else. And I suspect with this Supreme Court that if it came to a shoving match they would agree with the 39 ruling.

It was not challenged before because the NRA was worried they might lose if they did. With the last ruling they do not HAVE that fear anymore.

All I am saying is if that ruling is stated the way you put it that means a weapon must meet those requirements to gain protection but it doesn't say that if a weapon meets those requirements it gains protection.

Stop being such a confrontational jackass.

It proves that semi automatic rifles and especially those of a military design are PROTECTED by the 2nd Amendment.

Of course it does not say EXACTLY that, I am to lazy to go look up the 39 decision yet again for people to lazy to do their own work. I believe it was White Vs Texas 1939. Forgot the case number.

 

[Article 15]

Be a dumb ass I do not mind. The second covers personal rifles and pistols. Not anything else. And I suspect with this Supreme Court that if it came to a shoving match they would agree with the 39 ruling.

It was not challenged before because the NRA was worried they might lose if they did. With the last ruling they do not HAVE that fear anymore.

All I am saying is if that ruling is stated the way you put it that means a weapon must meet those requirements to gain protection but it doesn't say that if a weapon meets those requirements it gains protection.

Stop being such a confrontational jackass.

It proves that semi automatic rifles and especially those of a military design are PROTECTED by the 2nd Amendment.

Of course it does not say EXACTLY that, I am to lazy to go look up the 39 decision yet again for people to lazy to do their own work. I believe it was White Vs Texas 1939. Forgot the case number.

So I'm lazy now for questioning the wording and seeking clarification of something you posted? Especially after you so confidently stated it like I was some sort of idiot for not knowing it?

C'mon now, RGS ....

Look ... I'm about as pro-gun a lefty as you will find. I'm against reinstating the assault weapons ban. I'm for loosening restrictions on concealed carrying permits and things of that nature.

But unless that ruling is wording differently than the way you put it it doesn't do what you think it does.

Forgive me for daring to question your interpretation of the law ....

 

[Dr Grump]

BBAAWWWAAHH!! Gimme my peashooters back or I'll throw my toys out of the cot..

Fucking guns...pathetic....

 

[Gunny]

Tell me again when Obama said he was going to take away your guns?
All this shows me is a bunch of wacko's who live in fear, felt the need to buy even more guns.

Guess what sweetheart? We have a Constitutional RIGHT to own firearms, we don't need a reason.

You don't say?

Now how about you applaud the President for not trying to put any new laws on the books that infringe on that right?

Applaud him for what? Continuing most of Bush's policies? The only things he actually touched he's fucked up all to Hell. He gets an F- on the economy, employment and health care.

I don't know what Obama's stance on firearms is, but I DO know Biden's.

 

[Lost Soul]

Guess what sweetheart? We have a Constitutional RIGHT to own firearms, we don't need a reason.

You don't say?

Now how about you applaud the President for not trying to put any new laws on the books that infringe on that right?

I don't know what Obama's stance on firearms is, but I DO know Biden's.

I know about Obama stance on weapons.

FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”

Funny how Obama throws his people under the bus at will. Funny how its not his stance but someone that works for him. LOL this dude is so full of shit.

 

[uscitizen]

It's January 25, 2010, do you know where your guns are? Oh wait, they are where they have been since Obama took office.

The Gun Industry must be laughing at all the idiots who went out and bought stockpiles of guns and ammo for when Obama took office.

Fear mongerng sales pitches by the right wing pundits worked for the gun industry.

 

[rightwinger]

Tell me again when Obama said he was going to take away your guns?
All this shows me is a bunch of wacko's who live in fear, felt the need to buy even more guns.

Guess what sweetheart? We have a Constitutional RIGHT to own firearms, we don't need a reason.

Wow!

Doesn't get any whackier than that.

I don't need no reason....I got a right

paranoid much?

 

[52ndStreet]

It's even better than 14 million guns sold, there were three million guns sold in 2008 after Obama was elected.

If you factor in that most people knew Obama was going to win the presidency, you can add on even more. The total may be 20 million guns sold, thanks to Obama and what he represents!!!

Washington, DC –– Data released by the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) for the year reported 14,033,824 NICS Checks for the year of 2009, a 10 percent increase in gun purchases from the 12,709,023 reported in 2008.

So far that is roughly 14,000,000+ guns bought last year!
The total is probably more as many NICS background checks cover the purchase of more than one gun at a time by individuals.

To put it in perspective that is more guns than the combined active armies of the top 21 countries in the world. countries by number of troops

Of the NICS background checks preformed less than and average .005% were denied, showing, overwhelmingly, that law abiding American citizens are the ones buying guns and that criminals are getting their guns elsewhere.

14,033,824,000 billions rounds of Ammo
Assuming each gun buyer bought 1000 rounds of ammo for each purchase, and you and I know that it is way, way more than that, that would be easily 14,033,824,000+ billions rounds of ammo fired by USA gun owners.

What percent of people were killed or injured by this ammo…it is just to infinitesimally small for me to calculate?

USA Buys 14 Million+ Guns In 2009 - More Than 21 of the Worlds Standing Armies

What do you expect when you have a Gun grabbing, Commie, socialist, Democratic President in office.?

 

[uscitizen]

It's even better than 14 million guns sold, there were three million guns sold in 2008 after Obama was elected.

If you factor in that most people knew Obama was going to win the presidency, you can add on even more. The total may be 20 million guns sold, thanks to Obama and what he represents!!!

Washington, DC –– Data released by the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) for the year reported 14,033,824 NICS Checks for the year of 2009, a 10 percent increase in gun purchases from the 12,709,023 reported in 2008.

So far that is roughly 14,000,000+ guns bought last year!
The total is probably more as many NICS background checks cover the purchase of more than one gun at a time by individuals.

To put it in perspective that is more guns than the combined active armies of the top 21 countries in the world. countries by number of troops

Of the NICS background checks preformed less than and average .005% were denied, showing, overwhelmingly, that law abiding American citizens are the ones buying guns and that criminals are getting their guns elsewhere.

14,033,824,000 billions rounds of Ammo
Assuming each gun buyer bought 1000 rounds of ammo for each purchase, and you and I know that it is way, way more than that, that would be easily 14,033,824,000+ billions rounds of ammo fired by USA gun owners.

What percent of people were killed or injured by this ammo…it is just to infinitesimally small for me to calculate?

USA Buys 14 Million+ Guns In 2009 - More Than 21 of the Worlds Standing Armies

What do you expect when you have a Gun grabbing, Commie, socialist, Democratic President in office.?

What has Obama said about grabbing any guns?

 

[52ndStreet]

It's even better than 14 million guns sold, there were three million guns sold in 2008 after Obama was elected.

If you factor in that most people knew Obama was going to win the presidency, you can add on even more. The total may be 20 million guns sold, thanks to Obama and what he represents!!!

Washington, DC –– Data released by the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) for the year reported 14,033,824 NICS Checks for the year of 2009, a 10 percent increase in gun purchases from the 12,709,023 reported in 2008.

So far that is roughly 14,000,000+ guns bought last year!
The total is probably more as many NICS background checks cover the purchase of more than one gun at a time by individuals.

To put it in perspective that is more guns than the combined active armies of the top 21 countries in the world. countries by number of troops

Of the NICS background checks preformed less than and average .005% were denied, showing, overwhelmingly, that law abiding American citizens are the ones buying guns and that criminals are getting their guns elsewhere.

14,033,824,000 billions rounds of Ammo
Assuming each gun buyer bought 1000 rounds of ammo for each purchase, and you and I know that it is way, way more than that, that would be easily 14,033,824,000+ billions rounds of ammo fired by USA gun owners.

What percent of people were killed or injured by this ammo…it is just to infinitesimally small for me to calculate?

USA Buys 14 Million+ Guns In 2009 - More Than 21 of the Worlds Standing Armies

What do you expect when you have a Gun grabbing, Commie, socialist, Democratic President in office.?

What has Obama said about grabbing any guns?

They may not say anything now, but all Democrats do have an anti Gun agenda up their sleves. Belive me, they are going to introduce some form of Gun control legislation soon!!
Trust me on that.

 

[Screaming Eagle]

Well, the assault weapons ban was about the stupidest shit ever in the first place. SKS's and AK-47's were assault weapons because they look 'mean', but mini-30's and other guns with similar capabilities are not assault weapons because they look normal. A weapon with 3 after market upgrades like stock, forearm, or muzzlebreak were not legal because more than 2 upgrades makes them look 'mean' even though the functionality of the weapon is unchanged. All this was decided by a group of ladies looking through a gun magazine and picking out the one's that looked 'mean'.

 

[rightwinger]

Well, the assault weapons ban was about the stupidest shit ever in the first place. SKS's and AK-47's were assault weapons because they look 'mean', but mini-30's and other guns with similar capabilities are not assault weapons because they look normal. A weapon with 3 after market upgrades like stock, forearm, or muzzlebreak were not legal because more than 2 upgrades makes them look 'mean' even though the functionality of the weapon is unchanged. All this was decided by a group of ladies looking through a gun magazine and picking out the one's that looked 'mean'.

Are you advocating more guns should be added to the ban?

 

[uscitizen]

What do you expect when you have a Gun grabbing, Commie, socialist, Democratic President in office.?

What has Obama said about grabbing any guns?

They may not say anything now, but all Democrats do have an anti Gun agenda up their sleves. Belive me, they are going to introduce some form of Gun control legislation soon!!
Trust me on that.

the only future gun legislation I would like to see is an improvement in restricting gun ownership for the insane.
Did you know that the VA shooter that killed 8 or so about a week ago had been in a mental institution in GA, but VA only checked for that in VA?

And in KY there is no law against the insane even those Baker acted multiple times from posessing guns?

 

[52ndStreet]

Well, the assault weapons ban was about the stupidest shit ever in the first place. SKS's and AK-47's were assault weapons because they look 'mean', but mini-30's and other guns with similar capabilities are not assault weapons because they look normal. A weapon with 3 after market upgrades like stock, forearm, or muzzlebreak were not legal because more than 2 upgrades makes them look 'mean' even though the functionality of the weapon is unchanged. All this was decided by a group of ladies looking through a gun magazine and picking out the one's that looked 'mean'.

Their must not be any infringement on the rights to purchase any weapon.Guns, rifles, shotguns, Assault Rifles, No limitations or exclusions.
The assault rifle ban is unconstitutional!!, and illegal. Thats why it was given a lifespan of 4 years.!!