Greatest thread to human civilization : capitalist greed - Stephen Hawkin

Nothing of what you said, even came close to contradicting, or even addressing the points I made.

Of course that's not surprising because.... you can't. I'm right, and I know it.

Thanks for stopping by. Have a nice day.

You declare yourself 'the winner', where do you get your trophy? LOL

Turn the computer off and go outside now and then. There is real life out there.

There is a real life out there. Many people, through capitalism, have made very lucrative livings by participating in it and providing things that has benefited the common good. Those who have benefited have educated themselves, taken chances, and took risks that paid off. Others have not. Now, those that did not see those who did reaping the rewards of that effort and think part of that is owed to them.

Give an example of your Horatio Alger character who did all of what you posted all by his or her self. Explain, for example, how the owner of a business is able to operate without government build roads, power, water and sewage?


The USA: the only nation with roads, power, water and sewage.

Do Progressives even wonder why Detroit and IL are such failures?

The USA, a nation with a crumbling infrastructure, the work of the Republicans.

Detroit? You really what to discuss the failure of CEO's, and how their foolish disregard for reality (OPEC for Example) opened the door for foreign imports?

Of course not, you want to blame unions, 'cause hourly workers are the problem, not management.

LOL@ Crumbling infrastructure. Yes, it doesn't last forever and needs to be repaired and replaced, but only in the USA. No other infrastructure on the planet is "Crumbling"

Detroit is a Progressive success story. You took the American Paris, the epicenter of American creativity and entrepreneurship and in 2 generations Model Cities it into a Third World shithole. CEO Greed is another LOLiberal nonsense concept
 
Why do Republicans hate "infrastructure"?? LOL

Does this have anything to do with Josh Duggar?
 
You declare yourself 'the winner', where do you get your trophy? LOL

Turn the computer off and go outside now and then. There is real life out there.

There is a real life out there. Many people, through capitalism, have made very lucrative livings by participating in it and providing things that has benefited the common good. Those who have benefited have educated themselves, taken chances, and took risks that paid off. Others have not. Now, those that did not see those who did reaping the rewards of that effort and think part of that is owed to them.

Give an example of your Horatio Alger character who did all of what you posted all by his or her self. Explain, for example, how the owner of a business is able to operate without government build roads, power, water and sewage?


The USA: the only nation with roads, power, water and sewage.

Do Progressives even wonder why Detroit and IL are such failures?

The USA, a nation with a crumbling infrastructure, the work of the Republicans.

Detroit? You really what to discuss the failure of CEO's, and how their foolish disregard for reality (OPEC for Example) opened the door for foreign imports?

Of course not, you want to blame unions, 'cause hourly workers are the problem, not management.

LOL@ Crumbling infrastructure. Yes, it doesn't last forever and needs to be repaired and replaced, but only in the USA. No other infrastructure on the planet is "Crumbling"

Detroit is a Progressive success story. You took the American Paris, the epicenter of American creativity and entrepreneurship and in 2 generations Model Cities it into a Third World shithole. CEO Greed is another LOLiberal nonsense concept

Wow, a new iteration of the Idiot-Gram, two paragraphs of bull-Lonney.

Ever been to Europe? Light and heavy rail, clean, modern and efficient.
 
Nah, you are just entrenched in the narrowest of view of life. Every person on Earth participates in work, buying, paying bills.

It is just conservatives who think themselves heroes for it because it makes you feel good. And that is so sad.

Nothing of what you said, even came close to contradicting, or even addressing the points I made.

Of course that's not surprising because.... you can't. I'm right, and I know it.

Thanks for stopping by. Have a nice day.

You declare yourself 'the winner', where do you get your trophy? LOL

Turn the computer off and go outside now and then. There is real life out there.

There is a real life out there. Many people, through capitalism, have made very lucrative livings by participating in it and providing things that has benefited the common good. Those who have benefited have educated themselves, taken chances, and took risks that paid off. Others have not. Now, those that did not see those who did reaping the rewards of that effort and think part of that is owed to them.

Give an example of your Horatio Alger character who did all of what you posted all by his or her self. Explain, for example, how the owner of a business is able to operate without government build roads, power, water and sewage?


The USA: the only nation with roads, power, water and sewage.

Do Progressives even wonder why Detroit and IL are such failures?

Detroit only provided the arsenal for the Allies to win WW2, as well as millions of jobs.

Cons seem to take great glee in degrading various American cities as well as the US military.

You aren't American anymore are you, your political party is now your all mighty god.
 
Why did you oppose the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act?
.

stupid stupid stupid liberal asks the question 1000 times because he's too stupid to remember the answer!

1001st: taking money from sustainable private projects for temporary public projects cant result in a net gain.
 
Ever been to Europe? Light and heavy rail, clean, modern and efficient.
Except France has the per capita income of Arkansas, about our poorest state. Ever wonder why we're not flooded with European inventions the way Europe is flooded with American inventions?
 
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I'm referring to the trade restriction on exporting crude oil. This policy benefits US refiners and is part of our energy and national security policy. It's a very significant player when it comes to the price of energy. Our strategic oil reserves play roles from national security to currency here in the U.S.

How does restricting oil exports benefit U.S. refineries?
This promotes localizing refinement of our oil to the United States in the first place. There's always going to be competition for U.S. refiners, but there's always going to be a market. Essentially this makes BP a US refinery when they want to exploit our resources. Before this Rabbi guy got all crazy, I made the point that consumer economies (of which energy we are) favor contrary trade policy to export driven economies.

You failed to explain how it benefits refineries. What do they care if the oil they refine is domestic or imported? They make the same amount of money in either case. How does "making BP a domestic refinery" benefit BP? The distinction between "consumer economies" and "export driven economies" is entirely superfluous. Some countries have high tariffs. Some countries have low tariffs. Consumers in the former have to pay higher prices on imported goods. That's the only distinction.

Well the theory is........... If we allow oil to be exported, then refineries will lose business because people who buy US oil, will no longer be forced to use US refineries to refine it, because they are now able to export the raw oil.

So a tanker load from Alaska for example, right now, can't go to a refinery in China to be refined. It must come to a US based refinery.

If we allow oil to be exported, then a tanker load of oil from Alaska could be purchased by say... China, and sent to a Chinese refinery, instead of to the US.

Quite frankly, if that were really a big issue, the oil companies would not be pushing to end the ban.

And beyond that even...... crap guys... I've heard for 10 years, people screaming about how we have a trade imbalance with China, and how horrible and awful, and doom and gloom over trade deficit with China. Chicken little screaming in circles about trade with China, the sky is falling, we're all doomed.

To all you fruits out there, well here you go..... shut up and sell them some oil. That will change the trade imbalance for sure.
I know we like new ideas, but sometimes it is a good idea to look at why some of our economic strategies already work. Why we don't do everything the same as Norway and China and why we are better for it.

By far, the currency, national security and energy policies that rely on the crude export restriction are the reasons why it is in place, overshadowing protections businesses are lobbying for. The oil crisis 40 (!) years ago will require an apocalypse now because of this policy. What y'all should understand is that smaller refiners and retailers support this ban, while multinational crude producers would prefer to drill here and export the crude, then bring it back. This concept of big oil/little oil was publicized in the 2008 presidential election, but there's no coincidence why Dallas and Dynasty were about oil tycoons in the 80s, right after lil' oil hit it big here again. People can tend to think that all companies in an industry look at their competitiveness the same way, but that's not how it works.

Re: energy prices: Because dom. crude producers will find higher crude prices internationally, but they can't make those sales, we have an unnatural market when it comes to selling crude here, even imported international crude. We regulate the whole oil world with our reserves. Our trade relations with Saudi lately, really locks this in. Remember having to beg for more production out there? Not lately. They're on board with our glut strategy. Remember chickenshit oil exporters like mexico looking so promising? Not lately. Not at these prices. As idealistic it is to think that laissez faire makes realities like that, it's the State Department and energy independence (superiority) policy kickin ass. Mexico has to laissez faire the consequences on the floor of our 'open' oil market.

As far as benefitting BP, as above, this was designed to benefit the US, so BP having to set up shop here and make investments helps our economy. We have the decency to demand that international businesses grow our economy, rather than what's going on under Nigeria's less fettered energy policy. BP shows up because we have a reliable, lucrative market for drill/refine/distribute operations like them. They're not crying even though they'll spend a billion on lobbying.

Regarding trade deficit panic. We would be at a disadvantage by literally fueling China or Europe, instead of our own economy. If the energy is that valuable for this and that reason, why not see to your constituents and their businesses having first dibs? Energy is for making trillions in GDP, not just selling for billions in one industry. Leave this oil exporter BS to economies run by idiots.

I can't think of any policies or security that 'rely on oil export restrictions'. Nor is asking for a ban be lifted, a protection of business. If anything, the ban on exports itself would be the protection. So business is asked to have a protection removed.

I'm ok with that.

The oil crisis was created by government. Government regulation caused the problem. It was not a solution to it.

It's not the Saudis or the State Department, that has reduced oil prices. It was laissez faire Capitalism, with a profit motive that developed fracking which drastically increased our domestic oil production.

Funny how when we buy stuff from china, you say we're fueling their economy.

Now we want to sell stuff to China, and you say we're fueling their economy.

No matter what we do, buy or sell, import or export, you claim we're hurting us, and benefiting them.

These are contradictory positions. They can't both be true.

Here's the bottom line.....

If we get to a point where we have more oil than we need.... companies will have zero motive to explore and drill for oil they can't use, or export. Investment into the US will fall, not go up.

As a result, trillions of dollars will be invested outside the US, creating jobs for everyone but Americans. When that happens, these companies will have a high motivation to build refineries outside the US, closer to where their production is.

Before Hugo Chavez nationalized the oil industry in Venezuela, Exxon had planned to build the largest refinery in south America, in Venezuela. But because of protectionist policies by Chavez, and the nationalizing of most of the oil production, Exxon canceled those plans. Oil production, and nearly the entire economy of Venezuela has fallen since Chavez got power.

Far from creating all this benefit to the country, it ruined it.
 
Long live the Corporation

corporations provide the goods and services that got is from the stone age to here and they have to be the best in the world at it nowadays just to survive so we'd better pray that at least our corporations do live long! They should be regarded much like churches.
 
Yep the right wingers always want to blame the Union workers for Detroit's and the auto companies troubles.

unions shipped about 30 million jobs to China. They should be made illegal again so it will be safe to do business in America again! Notice that when foreign auto companies come here now the go down south to escape the union cancer!!
 
Capitalism restrained by the GOVERNMENT provides for the common good..

100% stupid and liberal!! Capitalism restrained by consumers whose restraint bankrupts 10,000 corporations each month provides for the common good through life and death competition to raise our standard of living at the fastest possible rate. Govt interference with the competition caused the Great Depression and current housing recession!!

The second China lifted the govt restraint it instantly eliminated 40 % of the entire planets poverty.

See why we have to be 100% positive that liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
 
Road, and all the materials in them, only exist because someone somewhere wanted to make a profit. Without profit, there would be no roads. There would be no machines to make the roads. There would be no supplies of sand, dirt, gravel, asphalt to make the roads with.

And quite frankly, without profit, you wouldn't need roads, because there would be no cars and trucks that need them.

Research is done everywhere. Last year, $675 Billion dollars was spent by companies into research and development for all kinds of things, from health care, to food crops, to energy, to transportation, and on and on and on.

Now that isn't to minimize, or ignore the benefits that do come from Universities. But this idea that somehow no one would do research if not for them, is garbage.

Further, you should look at how much money is blown on absolutely useless research. Try the Ignoble Awards for endless laughs of infuriating waste.

And lastly, even the research that does happen there..... still doesn't contradict my point. All of the research is placed into commercial.... read profitable products. Without which, you wouldn't benefit from any of the research.

Secondly, you are freaking nutz on your math. According to Ohio Department of Transportation, it cost about $60,000 to pave 1/4 of a mile of two lane road.

In my life time, I've paid about $80,000 in taxes in my life.

And by the way.... that's with expensive, wasteful, high cost Union contracts through the government.

You go with a private firm, you can get a 1/4 mile of two lane road built for about $26,000.

You people..... you say the most wacky stuff sometimes.

Nah, you are just entrenched in the narrowest of view of life. Every person on Earth participates in work, buying, paying bills.

It is just conservatives who think themselves heroes for it because it makes you feel good. And that is so sad.

Nothing of what you said, even came close to contradicting, or even addressing the points I made.

Of course that's not surprising because.... you can't. I'm right, and I know it.

Thanks for stopping by. Have a nice day.

You declare yourself 'the winner', where do you get your trophy? LOL

Turn the computer off and go outside now and then. There is real life out there.

There is a real life out there. Many people, through capitalism, have made very lucrative livings by participating in it and providing things that has benefited the common good. Those who have benefited have educated themselves, taken chances, and took risks that paid off. Others have not. Now, those that did not see those who did reaping the rewards of that effort and think part of that is owed to them.

Give an example of your Horatio Alger character who did all of what you posted all by his or her self. Explain, for example, how the owner of a business is able to operate without government build roads, power, water and sewage?

In Gujurat India, they created tax free, regulation free, zones. Companies were given a 10-year tax free status, if they built inside the zones, and were largely regulation free.

Private industry built the roads, built their own train tracks, and a sea port. They built their own power supply. They built water and sewers, all themselves.

In South Africa, the government funded power, is so unreliable, nearly all business is powered by diesel generators.

In India, the entire city of Gurgaon, is entirely 100% private. In 1980, the land was baron. No government, no utilities, not even access.

Today Gurgaon is a city of 1.5 Million people. Half of the Fortune 500 companies in the world, have operation in Gurgaon. There is still no public utilities, no public transportation, no public infrastructure. The entire city is entirely private.

https://mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/Lessons from Gurgaon.pdf

The entire city is built completely private.... and they have jobs and business, and a growing economy. In fact, a nearby city of Faridabad is actually dropped economically, while having public sewers, power, water, transport, and existed for decades before Gurgaon.

There are thousands of such examples.

Even here in the US, there are such examples. I was on a tour of a company operating in northern Kentucky, where they manufactured large commercial vehicles. The place was out in the middle of nowhere. Literally, fields, manufacturing plant, and forest. They had their own water wells, and their own sewer system.

The problem with you people on the left, is that you tax the snot out of business, regulate the crap out of business, and then turn around and claim "See without government funding, business wouldn't survive!"

Yeah, just like taxing the snot out of the public, and claiming "without food stamps they can't eat!".
 
Yep the right wingers always want to blame the Union workers for Detroit's and the auto companies troubles.

unions shipped about 30 million jobs to China. They should be made illegal again so it will be safe to do business in America again! Notice that when foreign auto companies come here now the go down south to escape the union cancer!!
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Congratulations --- you made my IGNORE list.

Please put me on yours.
 
Why did you oppose the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act?
.

stupid stupid stupid liberal asks the question 1000 times because he's too stupid to remember the answer!

1001st: taking money from sustainable private projects for temporary public projects cant result in a net gain.

One example of many is the Eastern span of the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge. Built with public money by private sector contractors moving people and goods for at least a century.

I've posted pictures of projects in San Francisco, including an expansion of the U. of CA @ San Francisco Project, along with dozens of high tech and medical tech firms transforming the SE shore of SF, from China Basin to the Bay View and Visitacion Valley into a 21st Century region of innovation.

Private sector and public sector money has been used to create the infrastructure to support such an expansion, including a subway from this once rundown area into the financial district, China Town, North Beach and Fisherman's Wharf; and a light rail line nearly to the San Mateo Co. line, raising the value of Real Estate in SF neighborhoods all along the 3rd St. corridor.

You're one dumb piece of human excrement EB.
 
Why do Republicans hate "infrastructure"?? LOL

Does this have anything to do with Josh Duggar?

Good question, I don't know, but you may. Why did you oppose the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act?

Not Josh Dugger, likely John Galt.

You mean Obama's Failed Stimulus?

Because it was pork laden and served it's one and only purpose: Boost the spending baseline.

Barack "Not So Shovel Ready" Obama. $700 BILLION out the window and he thinks its funny

 
Capitalism restrained by the GOVERNMENT provides for the common good..

100% stupid and liberal!! Capitalism restrained by consumers whose restraint bankrupts 10,000 corporations each month provides for the common good through life and death competition to raise our standard of living at the fastest possible rate. Govt interference with the competition caused the Great Depression and current housing recession!!

The second China lifted the govt restraint it instantly eliminated 40 % of the entire planets poverty.

See why we have to be 100% positive that liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

What consumer restraint ended slavery? Child labor? Unsafe working conditions?
 
Child labor? Unsafe working conditions?

100% stupid liberal asks the same question 1000 times because he's too stupid to remember the answer.

1001st: capitalism ended child labor as it made parents rich enough to support their children.

capitalism ended unsafe work conditions as it made owners rich enough to pay cost of better working conditions
 

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