Greatest French, But No Napoleon!

[Said1]

said, you look like to don't like the French Canadian. I thought that behind thisterm, it was the inhabitants of the Quebec, who speak french. do you understand my answetr now ? If the french Canadians are for you the separatists, it is sure that there is a miscomprehension.

What are you saying here? Seriously, I'm not following you at all. And no, I'm not fussy about fed and provincial language policies in this country. I think it's safe to say that they are a reflection of the people who support them.

For France and Corsica : France tried to give a larger autonomy to Corsica, but the inhabitants of the Island (Corsica is an island, if you were ignored it - yes, i'm arrogant, but you know, i'm French - ), the inhabitants of Corsica REFUSED. They voted NO.

Why did they refuse, specifically? Why didn't they want more administrative autonomy?

but nice try anyway.

Sure, I know.

For the Corsica-France relation before the XXth : in the XIXth. But Corsica was French also, so it doesn't count, I think.

]and, you should learn the link of Kathianne,about the history of the island : occupation by the Franks (so, the French) but they gave it to the Pope. And after, the masters of the Island were Pisa, Aragon, Genoa...and finally, France.

So, there was never an independant State of Corsica : it was always occupied by countries. SO, if there is a peace agreement betwwen france and Corsica, it is in reality between France and the master of the Island, then Aragon, Pisa, Genoa.
Genoa gave Corsica to France : one peace agreement. And after, the island is french.

Any other question ?

I'm aware of the history of the island you ginormous ass. I ask you to direct me to any agreements between Corsican armies fighting against the French, for independence. Ya know, like the one Napoleon fought in dopey smurf. Wow, you are a little baby. :baby:

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Wow. Said1 opened up a can of woopass on this French fool!

 

[dilloduck]

Wow. Said1 opened up a can of woopass on this French fool!

No joke---I'm glad my name ain't Pierre. I think her mom got bit by a poodle when she was pregnant

 

[Said1]

No joke---I'm glad my name ain't Pierre. I think her mom got bit by a poodle when she was pregnant

No, but my father gave me toy poddle named "Ricco" when i was little. The stupid thing crapped everywhere, and would only eat tender viddles cat food. It was afraid of the dark too.

 

[Zhukov]

PARIS (AFP) - Charles de Gaulle was the only political leader to feature on a shortlist of ten personalities from whom television viewers are to select the greatest ever French man or woman in history.

What's to select? The answer is clear, because there is only one choice....

http://oseb79.free.fr/images/Stars/laetitia casta 10.jpg

 

[dilloduck]

What's to select? The answer is clear, because there is only one choice....

http://oseb79.free.fr/images/Stars/laetitia casta 10.jpg

Glad your back in business Zman!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[padisha emperor]

PARIS (AFP) - Charles de Gaulle was the only political leader to feature on a shortlist of ten personalities from whom television viewers are to select the greatest ever French man or woman in history.

As I former said, this classment is a joke.

Nice pic of Laetitia Casta : look, another good french product from Corsica

Why did they refuse, specifically? Why didn't they want more administrative autonomy?

Said1, I'm not sure, but I think it is because they felt that if they agree, they would be further from France, and they wanted and want to stay in a "normal" french region.
Maybe were they also affarid of more autonomy.

 

[padisha emperor]

My classment :

Politicians / warriors

1 - Napoleon (XVIII-XIX th c.) (Général, Emperor of France)
2 - Philippe II (XII-XIIIth c.) (King of France)
3 - Charles de Gaulle (XXth c.)
4 - Louis XIV (XVII-XVIIIth c.) (King of France)
5 - Cardinal de Richelieu (XVIIth c.) (prime Minister under Louis XIII)
6 - Jeanne d'Arc (XVth c.)
7 - Henri IV (XVI-XVIIth c.) (King of France)
8 - Charlemagne (VIII-IXth c.)
9 - Maréchal de Saxe (XVIIIth c.) (military)
10 - Maréchal de Luxembourg (XVIIth c.) (military)
11 - Du Guesclin (XIVth c.) ( military during 100 years war)
12 - Général Foch (XXth c.) (WI)
13 - Général Joffre (XXth c.) (WWI)
14 - Napoleon III (XIX th c.)
15 - Charles VII (XVth c.) (winner of the 100 Years War) (King of France)
16 - Philippe IV (XIII-XIVth c.) (King of France)
17 - Prince de Condé (XVIIth c.) (military)
18 - Talleyrand ( XVIII-XIX th c.) (politician, diplomate)
19 - Louvois (XVIIth c.) (Minister of Louis XIV)
20 - Clovis (V-VIt c.) King of Franks
21 - Maréchal Davout (XIX th c.) (1st Empire Maréchal)
22 - Vauban (XVIIth c.) (Architect of military places and fortifications)
23 - De Choiseul (XVIIIth c.) (military and diplomate)
24 - La Fayette (XVIIIth c.) (military)
25 - Colbert (XVIIth c.) (Minister of Louis XIV)
26 - Charles V (XIVth c.) (winner of the first part of the 100 years war) (King of France)
27 - Georges Clémenceau (XXth) (politician, prime Minister, WWI)
28 - Robespierre (XVIIIth c.) (Politician, Revolution)
29 - Cardinal de Mazarin (XVIIth c.) (prime Minister during Louis XIV's youth)
30 - Charles Martel (VIIIth c.) (winner of Poitiers - 732 - , Grandfather of Charlemagne)
31 - Maréchal de Villars (XVII-XVIIIth c.) (military)
32 - Louis XI (XVth c.) (King of France)
33 - Duc de Vendôme (XVII-XVIIIth c.) (military)
34 - Turenne (XVIIth c.) (military)
35 - Catherine de Médicis (XVIth c.) (Queen of France, end of the XVIth)
36 - Marquis de Montcalm (XVIIIth c.) (military)
37 - Général Leclerc (XXth c.) (WWII)
38 - Charles le Téméraire (XVth c.) (Duke of Burgundy)
39 - Louis IX (XIIIth c.) (Saint Louis) (King of France)
40 - Godefroy de Bouillon (XI-XIIth c.) (Leader of the first Crusade)
41 - François I (XVIth c.) (King of France)
42 - William the Conqueror (XIth c.) (Duke of Normandy, Conqueror of England)
43 - Général de Lattre de Tassigny (XXth c.) (WWII, Indochina)
44 - Jacques Cartier (XVIth c.) (explorator, Canada)
45 - Danton (XVIIIth c.) (Politician, Revolution)
46 - Lazare Carnot (XVIIIth c.) (Military tactician, Revolution)
47 - Charles d'Anjou (XIIIth c.) (Duke of Anjou, King of Sicily and Napoly......brother of Saint Louis)
48 - Bailli de Suffren (XVIIIth c.) (amiral)
49 - Gambetta (XIXth c.) (Politician)
50 - Abbé Sieyès (XVIII-XIX th c.) (Politician, Revolution and after)
52 - Maréchal Massena (XVIII-XIX th c.) ( Revolution general, 1st Empire Maréchal)
53 - Portalis (XIX th c.) (Jurist)
54 - Maréchal Lannes (XIX th c.) (1st Empire Maréchal)
55 - Général Kleber (XVIIIth c.) (Revolution, general)




There is about 50 people, and I probably forget some of famous and great guys.


Litterature / philosophy / arts

1 - Molière (theater) (XVIIth c.)
2 - Descartes (philosophy) (XVIIth c.)
3 - Voltaire (philosophy) (XVIIIth c.)
4 - Rousseau (philosophy) (XVIIIth c.)
5 - Victor Hugo (litterature) (XIXth c.)
6 - Montesquieu (philosophy) (XVIIIth c.)
7 - Lully (music) (XVIIth c.)
8 - Racine (theater) (XVIIth c.)
9 - Corneille (theater) (XVIIth c.)
10 - Pascal (philosophy) (XVIIth c.)
11 - Ravel (music) (XIXth c.)
12 - Monet (paint) (XIXth c.)
13 - Alexandre Dumas (litterature)
14 - Jules Verne (litterature) (XIXth c.)
15 - Jaques-Louis David (paint) (XVIII-XIXth c.)
16 - Sartre (litterature-philosophy) (XXth c.)
17 - Albert Camus (litterature) (XXth c.)
18 - Diderot (philosophy-litteruature) (XVIIIth c.)
19 - Saint-Simon (litterature) (XVIIth c.)
20 - Fénelon (philosophy) (XVII-XVIIIth c.)
21 - Nicolas Poussin (paint) (XVIIth c.)
22 - Cézanne (paint) (XIXth c.)
23 - Emile Zola (literrature) (XIXth c.)
24 - Honoré de Balzac (literrature) (XIXth c.)
25 - D'Alembert (philosophy) (XVIIIth c.)
26 - Rabelais (litterature) (XVIth c.)
27 - Rimbaud (poetry) (XIXth c.)
28 - Renoir (paint) (XIXth c.)
29 - Baudelaire (poetry) (XIXth c.)
30 - Flaubert (litterature) (XIXth c.)
31 - Beaumarchais (litterature-theater) (XVIIIth c.)
32 - Le Brun (paint) (XVIIth c.)
33 - Gros (paint) (XIXth c.)
34 - Saint-Saëns (music) (XIXth c.)
35 - Rodin (sculpture) (XIXth c.)
36 - Le Nôtre (gardens) (XVIIth c.)
37 - Chateaubriand (XIXth c.)
38 - Maupassant (XIXth c.)
39 - Rouget de L'Isle (music) (XVIIIth c.)
40 - Maurice Druon (litterature) (XXth c.)
41 - Toulouse-Lautrec (paint) (XIXth c.)
42 - Georges Sand (literrature) (XIXth c.)
43 - Chrétien de Troyes (literrature) (Middle Age)
44 - Colette (XXth c.)
45 - Madame de Sévigné (XVIIth c.)
46 - Comtesse de Ségur (XIXth c.)
47 - Stendhal (XIXth c.)

And there is also all the scientists, all the singers, humourists, actors, sportsmen..........


And the places don't really reflect my mind, bu I had to do a choice.

 

[Said1]

My classment :

Politicians / warriors

1 - Napoleon (XVIII-XIX th c.) (Général, Emperor of France)
2 - Philippe II (XII-XIIIth c.) (King of France)
3 - Charles de Gaulle (XXth c.)
4 - Louis XIV (XVII-XVIIIth c.) (King of France)
5 - Cardinal de Richelieu (XVIIth c.) (prime Minister under Louis XIII)
6 - Jeanne d'Arc (XVth c.)
7 - Henri IV (XVI-XVIIth c.) (King of France)
8 - Charlemagne (VIII-IXth c.)
9 - Maréchal de Saxe (XVIIIth c.) (military)
10 - Maréchal de Luxembourg (XVIIth c.) (military)
11 - Du Guesclin (XIVth c.) ( military during 100 years war)
12 - Général Foch (XXth c.) (WI)
13 - Général Joffre (XXth c.) (WWI)
14 - Napoleon III (XIX th c.)
15 - Charles VII (XVth c.) (winner of the 100 Years War) (King of France)
16 - Philippe IV (XIII-XIVth c.) (King of France)
17 - Prince de Condé (XVIIth c.) (military)
18 - Talleyrand ( XVIII-XIX th c.) (politician, diplomate)
19 - Louvois (XVIIth c.) (Minister of Louis XIV)
20 - Clovis (V-VIt c.) King of Franks
21 - Maréchal Davout (XIX th c.) (1st Empire Maréchal)
22 - Vauban (XVIIth c.) (Architect of military places and fortifications)
23 - De Choiseul (XVIIIth c.) (military and diplomate)
24 - La Fayette (XVIIIth c.) (military)
25 - Colbert (XVIIth c.) (Minister of Louis XIV)
26 - Charles V (XIVth c.) (winner of the first part of the 100 years war) (King of France)
27 - Georges Clémenceau (XXth) (politician, prime Minister, WWI)
28 - Robespierre (XVIIIth c.) (Politician, Revolution)
29 - Cardinal de Mazarin (XVIIth c.) (prime Minister during Louis XIV's youth)
30 - Charles Martel (VIIIth c.) (winner of Poitiers - 732 - , Grandfather of Charlemagne)
31 - Maréchal de Villars (XVII-XVIIIth c.) (military)
32 - Louis XI (XVth c.) (King of France)
33 - Duc de Vendôme (XVII-XVIIIth c.) (military)
34 - Turenne (XVIIth c.) (military)
35 - Catherine de Médicis (XVIth c.) (Queen of France, end of the XVIth)
36 - Marquis de Montcalm (XVIIIth c.) (military)
37 - Général Leclerc (XXth c.) (WWII)
38 - Charles le Téméraire (XVth c.) (Duke of Burgundy)
39 - Louis IX (XIIIth c.) (Saint Louis) (King of France)
40 - Godefroy de Bouillon (XI-XIIth c.) (Leader of the first Crusade)
41 - François I (XVIth c.) (King of France)
42 - William the Conqueror (XIth c.) (Duke of Normandy, Conqueror of England)
43 - Général de Lattre de Tassigny (XXth c.) (WWII, Indochina)
44 - Jacques Cartier (XVIth c.) (explorator, Canada)
45 - Danton (XVIIIth c.) (Politician, Revolution)
46 - Lazare Carnot (XVIIIth c.) (Military tactician, Revolution)
47 - Charles d'Anjou (XIIIth c.) (Duke of Anjou, King of Sicily and Napoly......brother of Saint Louis)
48 - Bailli de Suffren (XVIIIth c.) (amiral)
49 - Gambetta (XIXth c.) (Politician)
50 - Abbé Sieyès (XVIII-XIX th c.) (Politician, Revolution and after)
52 - Maréchal Massena (XVIII-XIX th c.) ( Revolution general, 1st Empire Maréchal)
53 - Portalis (XIX th c.) (Jurist)
54 - Maréchal Lannes (XIX th c.) (1st Empire Maréchal)
55 - Général Kleber (XVIIIth c.) (Revolution, general)




There is about 50 people, and I probably forget some of famous and great guys.


Litterature / philosophy / arts

1 - Molière (theater) (XVIIth c.)
2 - Descartes (philosophy) (XVIIth c.)
3 - Voltaire (philosophy) (XVIIIth c.)
4 - Rousseau (philosophy) (XVIIIth c.)
5 - Victor Hugo (litterature) (XIXth c.)
6 - Montesquieu (philosophy) (XVIIIth c.)
7 - Lully (music) (XVIIth c.)
8 - Racine (theater) (XVIIth c.)
9 - Corneille (theater) (XVIIth c.)
10 - Pascal (philosophy) (XVIIth c.)
11 - Ravel (music) (XIXth c.)
12 - Monet (paint) (XIXth c.)
13 - Alexandre Dumas (litterature)
14 - Jules Verne (litterature) (XIXth c.)
15 - Jaques-Louis David (paint) (XVIII-XIXth c.)
16 - Sartre (litterature-philosophy) (XXth c.)
17 - Albert Camus (litterature) (XXth c.)
18 - Diderot (philosophy-litteruature) (XVIIIth c.)
19 - Saint-Simon (litterature) (XVIIth c.)
20 - Fénelon (philosophy) (XVII-XVIIIth c.)
21 - Nicolas Poussin (paint) (XVIIth c.)
22 - Cézanne (paint) (XIXth c.)
23 - Emile Zola (literrature) (XIXth c.)
24 - Honoré de Balzac (literrature) (XIXth c.)
25 - D'Alembert (philosophy) (XVIIIth c.)
26 - Rabelais (litterature) (XVIth c.)
27 - Rimbaud (poetry) (XIXth c.)
28 - Renoir (paint) (XIXth c.)
29 - Baudelaire (poetry) (XIXth c.)
30 - Flaubert (litterature) (XIXth c.)
31 - Beaumarchais (litterature-theater) (XVIIIth c.)
32 - Le Brun (paint) (XVIIth c.)
33 - Gros (paint) (XIXth c.)
34 - Saint-Saëns (music) (XIXth c.)
35 - Rodin (sculpture) (XIXth c.)
36 - Le Nôtre (gardens) (XVIIth c.)
37 - Chateaubriand (XIXth c.)
38 - Maupassant (XIXth c.)
39 - Rouget de L'Isle (music) (XVIIIth c.)
40 - Maurice Druon (litterature) (XXth c.)
41 - Toulouse-Lautrec (paint) (XIXth c.)
42 - Georges Sand (literrature) (XIXth c.)
43 - Chrétien de Troyes (literrature) (Middle Age)
44 - Colette (XXth c.)
45 - Madame de Sévigné (XVIIth c.)
46 - Comtesse de Ségur (XIXth c.)
47 - Stendhal (XIXth c.)

And there is also all the scientists, all the singers, humourists, actors, sportsmen..........


And the places don't really reflect my mind, bu I had to do a choice.

Ok, I'll admit it, I love french literature. Sue me! :tng:

 

[padisha emperor]

So do I

And i put Jacques Cartier only for you Said.

But there are awesome guys in the first classment about politicians and warriors.

 

[freeandfun1]

So do I

And i put Jacques Cartier only for you Said.

But there are awesome guys in the first classment about politicians and warriors.

French warriors? That is an oxy-moron if I've ever heard one!

 

[Said1]

So do I

And i put Jacques Cartier only for you Said.

But there are awesome guys in the first classment about politicians and warriors.

(Just a very brief note on your list) I would have to say some of your picks are pretty questionable: Charles VII, Georges Clemenceau???. Even though Talleyrand was clearly an opportunists who sided with whomever was in charge, he did have some good ideas, and managed to voice his protestations without getting his head cut off - that's pretty cool IMHO. The first Treaty of Paris, brilliant, yet despicable. The Vienna Congress (or was it conference??) amazing. That guy could have sold ice to eskimos. I don't know how he managed to pull either off.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Robespierre botch an attempt at suicide before his head was cut off? I'm thinking he would have liked the Patriot Act - the Reign of Terror has a familiar ring, no? I'm not a big fan of Clovis either. He certainly enjoyed making war, and had a bit of a "ego" problem with regard to his "holy purpose". Was he really a big philanthropists, those stories sound more like propaganda. Anyway, I won't discredit all of them, especially since I haven't heard of all of them. But I will say Fracne definetly has long history of "agitators". Do you think it's purely a french thing?

 

[padisha emperor]

freeandfun.............

No, it is not an oxymoron ! You are the moron !

All the Maréchal put in this list are the greatest warriors of their times.
When your country was ther first might of Europe, and of the world, you have to have great military leaders and excellent fighters.

For you they are maybe ridiculous, but for the France's ennemies, not at all, dear.


Said, i"'ll try to answer exhaustivly to your questions.
Talleyrand : as you said, he was an opportunist, but also a great great negociator. One of the most bright man of his time. At the Vienna Congress ( ), the 2 most important men were : Alexandre I, the russian Tsar, and Talleyrand.
He saved France from a debellatio, becasue be sure that the winner were a little bit nervous against France .

For Georges Clémenceau : not the perfect guy, he was in some scandals, like the scandal of the Panama canal with Ferdinand de Lesseps, but was, during the WWI, a real leader. He gave to the Nation courage and faith for the victory, and you know that it is really important. He went on the front line to visit the soldiers. His nickname was the "Tiger", it speak for itself.
It was the french Churchill of the Great War.

For Charles VII : He has his place here, of course : Chalres VII le Victorieux : the Victorious, the Winner.
He's the Knig who won the 100 Years war. Jeanne d'Arc gave to the french the feeling of unity - they were a french nation, but divised at this time between the pro-Charles, the Armagancs, the pro-Burgundy, the pro-english.... - .
Charles continue in this way, and began the reconquest of his kingdom. jeanne took Orleans in 1429, Charles reorganized the Army, and creat maybe the first permanent army, the Royal Army. ( during the middle age, the armies were not permanent, the king ask to his lords, his vassals, who gives some people, some soldiers : the OST. Charles took some ordonnances to reorganized the army.)
He also took and used guns. Charles de Valois had proove that the guns were efficiently against the English in 1324, Charles VII also.
He won Formigny and Castillon, in 1450 and 1453, and then, the defeat of the English was total. France took back all of the lost territories, except the city of Calais.
He's one of the greatest king.


Clovis, the first King of the Merovingian dynasty. A frank king, and he convert himself and his people to the Christianism, and then won the help of the Christianity. (496)
He's one of the Pilgrim father of France.
It is why, because it was the first to convert to the christianims, France is called the Elder Daughter of the Church, and the King of France was called : "King-very-Christian" ("Roi très chrétien") (the spanish kings were the "King very Catholic")



Robespierre : it was a dictator, but one of the most important men of the French Revolution, and really bright.

he was an ultra republican, and was the foundator of the Terror, from 1793 to 1794. It was awful.
But he is undoubtly a great french, a famous french.
Things may be different wihtout him.
I'm not a fan of him, be sure of that, but he was all the same a great French.


France has a long history and lot of agitators. but it is not our specificity.

the British made a revolution and cut the head of the king before us (1649).
In France it was unconceivable ! the person of the king was too sacred !!!! the murderer of Henri III, Jacques Clément, and the murderer of Henri IV, ravaillac, were fanatics. And Ravaillac's punishment was awful. A demonstration of cruauty, for the example.

And I take the "agitated" side of france as a sign of life. The country, the Nation is alive, and involves, reacts, protests....
But when the Nation, the country, france is in danger, there is a consensus, and everybody stop the oppositions, to fight the ennemy (except during 100 years war, during some decades. but finally, the Nation was regrouped behind Charles VII) (look at the WWI, and the Sacred Union of the politicians : everybody behind the government, even if some deputies or politicians hated them).

If there are people you don't know in the list, don't hesite to ask me about them, there would be no problem

 

[Said1]

Talleyrand : as you said, he was an opportunist, but also a great great negociator. One of the most bright man of his time. At the Vienna Congress ( ), the 2 most important men were : Alexandre I, the russian Tsar, and Talleyrand.
He saved France from a debellatio, becasue be sure that the winner were a little bit nervous against France

Don't get me wrong, I thought he was an interesting character, probably one of the greatest diplomats who ever lived. Like I said, how he managed to keep his head is sheer genius. Clemenceau could have followed his example instead of acting like arrogant stubborn snob, at the League of Nations. Churchill, he was not.

For Charles VII : He has his place here, of course : Chalres VII le Victorieux : the Victorious, the Winner.
He's the Knig who won the 100 Years war. Jeanne d'Arc gave to the french the feeling of unity - they were a french nation, but divised at this time between the pro-Charles, the Armagancs, the pro-Burgundy, the pro-english.... - .
Charles continue in this way, and began the reconquest of his kingdom. jeanne took Orleans in 1429, Charles reorganized the Army, and creat maybe the first permanent army, the Royal Army. ( during the middle age, the armies were not permanent, the king ask to his lords, his vassals, who gives some people, some soldiers : the OST. Charles took some ordonnances to reorganized the army.)
He also took and used guns. Charles de Valois had proove that the guns were efficiently against the English in 1324, Charles VII also.
He won Formigny and Castillon, in 1450 and 1453, and then, the defeat of the English was total. France took back all of the lost territories, except the city of Calais.
He's one of the greatest king.

I know what he did, but if not for the support of Jeanne D'Arc, would much of it been possible?

Clovis, the first King of the Merovingian dynasty. A frank king, and he convert himself and his people to the Christianism, and then won the help of the Christianity. (496)
He's one of the Pilgrim father of France.
It is why, because it was the first to convert to the christianims, France is called the Elder Daughter of the Church, and the King of France was called : "King-very-Christian" ("Roi très chrétien") (the spanish kings were the "King very Catholic")

Yes I know, Clovis King of the Franks, brought Christianity to France. Huge God complex, the guy was a religious fanatic, how many did he kill in the name of religion? Pittiful.

Robespierre : it was a dictator, but one of the most important men of the French Revolution, and really bright.

he was an ultra republican, and was the foundator of the Terror, from 1793 to 1794. It was awful.
But he is undoubtly a great french, a famous french.
Things may be different wihtout him.
I'm not a fan of him, be sure of that, but he was all the same a great French.

Don't agree here. Another paranoid maniac.The Jacobians executed anyone who voiced an opinion against them, all enemies of the nation. I think their purpose was required given the political atmosphere at the time, not unlike the Patriot Act, but he became fanatical, and schitzo, he deserved to have his head cut off. What was his title at one point, "the accusor"?

France has a long history and lot of agitators. but it is not our specificity.

the British made a revolution and cut the head of the king before us (1649).
In France it was unconceivable ! the person of the king was too sacred !!!! the murderer of Henri III, Jacques Clément, and the murderer of Henri IV, ravaillac, were fanatics. And Ravaillac's punishment was awful. A demonstration of cruauty, for the example.

And I take the "agitated" side of france as a sign of life. The country, the Nation is alive, and involves, reacts, protests....
But when the Nation, the country, france is in danger, there is a consensus, and everybody stop the oppositions, to fight the ennemy (except during 100 years war, during some decades. but finally, the Nation was regrouped behind Charles VII) (look at the WWI, and the Sacred Union of the politicians : everybody behind the government, even if some deputies or politicians hated them).

When I said agitate, that was a little joke. I noticed Richeleu (sp??) was no on your list. Why? I liked him for the most part.

 

[padisha emperor]

Richelieu !!
God, of course he's on !! he's the number 5 !!! (I should put Richelieu at the 4th position, and Philippe II Auguste at the fifth, in fact).


For Clemenceau, I continue to say what I said. Maybe not a Churchill, but not far, the same kind of people. I put him here for the WWI, not for the rest.

Charles VII : Jeanne d'Arc was an awesome help, but he personnly did a great great job.
You know, when Jeanne d'Arc was burned at Rouen, in 1431, the war is far far from the end ! Now, we know that there would be again 22 years of war, but at this time they ignore it. And the french victory was really not obvious. Charles, and his council, acted for the french victory.
Like I said, he reorganized the Army, but not only that :

With Jacques Coeur, his Treasurer, he reorganized the Financial institutions, and putted a permanent tax.



Clovis : I think the convertion was only to have the help of the Curch, might at this time. But anyway, he's at the beginning of France as a modern State.
It is like Alfred the Great for the English.
The Merovingian dynasty is at the origin fo the following.

You speak of religion's fanatism, and that he killed in the name of God.
IS he the only one ? How many people, in France, in Spain, in England, in Germany, in USA, killed other guys for religious reasons ?
Don't read some bok about the Merovingians, you'ld be very frightened.

Robespierre : Did I say he was a nice and pretty guy ?
I know of course he was a dictator, killing his opponents, even when they were his friends - Georges Jacques DANTON, Camille DESMOULINS - .
This period, the TERROR, is, with the german occupation from 1940 to 1944, maybe the most dark time of the french history.

I know all a bout this period, don't be worried for me dear Said.
But he was all the same a famous French, then he's here.
I have doubts when I put him in this classification, but I bring him on .

His nickname was the Incorruptible.

Sure, if you compare Robespierre with the Maréchal de Saxe, Maréchal de Luxembourg, with Louvois, Colbert, with Philippe II, you can be surprised to see him.
but he did something fro france, maybe bad, but this thing made that France involve.
Of course, people from the same period, Danton, Sieyès, Lazare Carnot....are more considered as pretty people, but, even if Robespierre was a bloody guy, he is a famus French. He symbolize the fanatism fro the Republic.

 

[Said1]

Richelieu !!
God, of course he's on !! he's the number 5 !!! (I should put Richelieu at the 4th position, and Philippe II Auguste at the fifth, in fact).

Ooops didn't see him.

For Clemenceau, I continue to say what I said. Maybe not a Churchill, but not far, the same kind of people. I put him here for the WWI, not for the rest.

Perhaps to the french, but not a good diplomat in the end, no matter how you look at it. :tng:

You speak of religion's fanatism, and that he killed in the name of God.
IS he the only one ? How many people, in France, in Spain, in England, in Germany, in USA, killed other guys for religious reasons ?
Don't read some bok about the Merovingians, you'ld be very frightened.

Chill dude, I would say the same of anyone who did that, regardless of nationality.

Robespierre : Did I say he was a nice and pretty guy ?
I know of course he was a dictator, killing his opponents, even when they were his friends - Georges Jacques DANTON, Camille DESMOULINS - .
This period, the TERROR, is, with the german occupation from 1940 to 1944, maybe the most dark time of the french history.

I know all a bout this period, don't be worried for me dear Said.
But he was all the same a famous French, then he's here.
I have doubts when I put him in this classification, but I bring him on .

Again, don't get so huffy, I didn't say you loved him. I understand the need for his aggressiveness, but in the end he turned into a monster, totally insane and out of control. He deserved a much slower more painful death if you ask me. Which brings to mind the suicide attempt I mentioned, did that really happen before he was beheaded?[/quote]

His nickname was the Incorruptible.

Not that, his official title "the accusor". I'm sure that's it.

 

[padisha emperor]

Ooops didn't see him.

For Robespierre, i'm not sure, when he was arresten, he tried to shot on himself, but he missed and only destroyed his jaws. Or was it one of his ennemy who shot on him ?
I'll see it, you'll have your answer.

For his title, I've seen that he was the Inquisitor of the french revolution.
that's probably what you mean too.

 

[Said1]

For Robespierre, i'm not sure, when he was arresten, he tried to shot on himself, but he missed and only destroyed his jaws. Or was it one of his ennemy who shot on him ?
I'll see it, you'll have your answer.

For his title, I've seen that he was the Inquisitor of the french revolution.
that's probably what you mean too.

I looked it up, it's Public Accuser - in English.

 

[padisha emperor]

OK.
Yes, same meaning.

he was at the head of the Public Salute Comity, the real power at this time, the "juridiction" who sent to the guillotine so many people.

 

[padisha emperor]

The poll said that the greatest French is Charles de Gaulle.


Said : sorry, I didn't see it before, but now I can pefrectly answer to you. I was surprised by this title for Robespierre,; i never heard that he cas called Public Accuser.
And I was reading a book about the French Revolution, when I saw what you meant : in fact, the Public Accuser was not Robespierre. He, he was the Incorruptible.
But Robespierre was seconded the "Comité de Salut Public", Public Salute Comity. And this Comity had an amred hand, the Revolutionary Tribunal ("Tribunal Révolutionnaire") . And the Chief of this Tribunal was Fouquier-Tinville. The Title of Fouquier-Tinville was "Public Accuser".

i hope that i answer to your question, sorry for beeing late