Greatest French, But No Napoleon!

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    PE is NOT going to be happy! I know, the poll is something of an oxymoron...

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...050315/lf_afp/afplifestylefrance_050315161255

     
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    Thank you very much Kathianne, I didn't heard the results, so, thank you again ;)


    It is a shame !!! I'd heard that in UK the results were contested, but here in France, it have to be done !!!!


    For me, Molière, Hugo, Curie and Pasteur, OK.
    But Coluche and Bourvil..... And Zidane before Charlemagne, Joan of Arch, or Louis the XIV ????? what the hell with this classment ?

    They probably forgot Philippe II, Saint Louis, Philippe IV,Charles V, Charles VII, François Ier, Henri IV, Louis XV, Joffre, Foch, Pétain (for WWI), Clémenceau, Napoléon III, Maréchal de Saxe, Condé, Du Guesclin, Clovis, Charles Martel, even Charles le Téméraire (last Duke of Burgundy). is Danton in or not ? Racine ? Corneille ? Alexandre Dumas ?

    Napoléon at 16th place, I'm quite disappointed, because he was rzeally a great French, on the interior point of view but also on the exterior, with the conquests...
    I'm not a Napo-maniac, craey about him, but I respect really the man and the History of this period.

    Do you know where I can find the whole classment ? Have you it ?

    Thank you agin ;)
     
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    Napoleon was Corsican, does that matter?
     
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    Napoleon would have gotten my European vote.
    If not for the US only my vote would have counted anyway. :teeth:
     
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    You mean Pepe LePew didn't make the list-----this thing is rigged!!
     
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    Napoléon was french.
    He was born in Corsica, in 1769, and at this time Corsica was already french, France buy it to Genoa before Napoleon's birth.

    Why all the US boards I see say that Naopleon was not French but Corsican ?
    are you dumbs ? are you disappointed because a french ruled Europe ? If it is that, be disappointed, he was NOT the only one.

    From a country where all the population was immigrants 200 century ago, or after, you seem to bevery strict about the nationality point.

    Napoleon was French, with corsican origins.
    Like the son of Wiliam the Conqueror, he was english, his father was french.
    For you, Edward the IIIrd is english ? for me too.
    But he has french origin, because the english kings from 1154 to 1458 are descendants of Geoffroy Plantagenêt, Count of Anjou.



    Georges Whashington was english, wasn't he ?

    Look, this is an useless debatte.
     
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    Corsica still today is fighting for more autonomy.

    Although I d count Napoleon as French (he run the show)
    it is a fair point to bring up that Napoleon might also
    be considered a Corsican.

    Hitler was an Austrian if you ask most Germans and an German if you
    ask Austrians :teeth:
     
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    I is not the same thing...french feel no shame when they think to Napoleon ;)

    I also believe that he is well considered in Germany - Napoleon - ( I could be wrong too )


    No, he is not Corsican. Or Corsican with the meaning of a french region, like Provence, Champagne, Ile de France, Alsace.......here, no problem, they are all French.
    But not Corsican as a nation.
     
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    He was born in Corsica, which was not occupied by France at the time, so that would make him something else, by your definition of nationality. Not that there is anything wrong with that, just a minor detail I find interesting. As a matter of fact, when Napoleon was at Military school ect, wasn't he harassed for not being True Blue (as the Quebecers say here) or real frenchman? I believe Napoleon even supported the Corsican National Guard during an uprising against the French in his early days. But that's neither here nor there in the larger scope of things, just some interesting facts. Also, occupation and colonial rule do not make people "french". This seems hard for you to accept, but that's how it works.
     
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    Napoleon was born in August, the 15th, 1769.
    At this time, Corsica is totally french on the paper, and alos in facts : the island is occupied in totality by the French.

    It is true that the bonaparte family was a patriot family, for the corsican.
    But the family after joined ther french camp against the other corsican patriots.
    He is French, he bron as a french, and did his schools n french schools.


    So, why all the french territories at the eastern border of France are still french ? they're in because France conquered it. Occupation and colonial rules. Like for Corsica.



    You are always discuting about Napoleon's Nationality...why ? he is FRENCH.

    You consider Washington, Adams, Jefferson....as American. but they born as British citizens.
    Napoleon was born a sfrench citizen, and do all for France...where is the problem ?
     

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