Grand Solar Minimum, not a problem

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    The numbers and history showing that even if we have a repeat of the Maunder Minimum, it will make little difference to the warming of the Earth.

     
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    Bad Boy Bad Boy What You Gonna Do When They Come for You.....

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    They ignore the sun at great peril, if for no other reason than the sun greatly affects ocean currents. They turn everything into "carbon equivalents" and then model as if it is carbon because otherwise it is "too difficult" to model. And lastly even the IPCC research side admits, and its political side tries to bury, that there is no carbon cliff, point of no return etc etc the Deadlines Make Headlines crowd peddle.
     
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    Who the heck is this guy and what is JHAT? I've heard these excuses before and I'm not buying..But I'll listen to a dude that you didn't identify or tells us WHY "a grand solar minimum" DOESN"T MATTER....
     
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    LAWD that was painful... Same old song.. Only with more deception or at least ignorance from "Just Have a Think" LOL....

    Here's the deal old friend.. Total RECOVERY from the last Grand Solar minimum took over 80 YEARS... That's MORE than just "one solar cycle" and the total recovery in Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) was about 0.8 Watts/M2...

    What these naive comparisons DON'T take into account is the DIFFERENCE between power and energy.. A loss of a LITTLE power over time can INTEGRATE into a lot of cooling..

    That's the entire argument for the both the short time and long time "residency time constants" for FORCINGS that are CO2 based.. They accumulate heating EVEN IF THEY ARE STABLE until a new long term equilibrium is reached in the atmosphere and at the surface..

    So what's GOOD for CO2 forcing effects is DOUBLY good for solar irradiation effects -- ESPECIALLY the direct incoming reduced flux of WIDEBAND solar "light" that tends to warm (or cool) the oceans much more EFFICIENTLY than the back radiation from CO2..

    So this horseshit of JUST looking at the forcing doesn't tell you in the LEAST what the effect or long term effects on the climate will be... Just as CO2 forcings "stick around" for quite awhile when those levels change...

    And the best guesses I've heard, is that after the 60 or 80 years of a solar minimum -- We'll have reduced the global anomaly to about 1/4 or 1/2 of it's current value....
     
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    Olfraud! You're back! Been missing your nonsense posts so thanks for the laugh.

    But let's look at your OP, I see it is yet another in a long line of computer modeled fiction.

    Tell you what, I will stick to the historical record, and you can keep bleating about your science fiction.

    I know which one is going to be found accurate.
     
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    Tell me old fraud;

    What is going to happen when the earth cools and growing seasons shorten? When cold weather and temperatures kill crops? When people begin to starve because your deception here is total bull shit, will that make you proud?

    I see the mantra is changing from 'were gonna fry' to ' the cooling wont be bad at all and it will warm up fast'.... :spinner:
     
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    Ends of the earth are melting but the earth is cooling. Makes sense.
     
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    You are a moron... Antarctic's mass is increasing and its ground temperatures are at theoretical minima -80 deg C (-158 Deg F) were setting records again down south..
     
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