Government vs Private Industry: People Should Know Better

[Bfgrn]

"The idea that private industry can always do something better than the government is false and sad and divisive," "People should know better." - so said a very brilliant and no nonsense man.

Is he a socialist or a leftie?

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The right is always trying to own the idea that they and their masters in private industry are the only ones who can do things --well right. Myth vs reality. Sorta like the idea that Ronald Reagan was a conservative with principles.

Wait so we can only either trust corporations or trust government?

Oh we are SOOOOOOO screwed if thats the case.

Personally I like the constitution which was designed to keep the federal government weak and the local governments strong...in effect giving communities direct access to those that govern them and the laws/rules that will be used. Over the last few decades we have increasingly nationalized government power instead of keeping it localized, this is the true cause of the problems we see.


The federal government is not, from its track record, looking out for the people
The corporations, from their track record, are not looking out for the people.

Its the people that look out for themselves, as our founders knew governments and companies are not the answer.

The REAL problem is corporations have purchased government...100% of the Republicans and half the Democrats are corporate OWNED...

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

"The idea that private industry can always do something better than the government is false and sad and divisive," "People should know better." - so said a very brilliant and no nonsense man.

Is he a socialist or a leftie?

---

The right is always trying to own the idea that they and their masters in private industry are the only ones who can do things --well right. Myth vs reality. Sorta like the idea that Ronald Reagan was a conservative with principles.

Wait so we can only either trust corporations or trust government?

Oh we are SOOOOOOO screwed if thats the case.

Personally I like the constitution which was designed to keep the federal government weak and the local governments strong...in effect giving communities direct access to those that govern them and the laws/rules that will be used. Over the last few decades we have increasingly nationalized government power instead of keeping it localized, this is the true cause of the problems we see.


The federal government is not, from its track record, looking out for the people
The corporations, from their track record, are not looking out for the people.

Its the people that look out for themselves, as our founders knew governments and companies are not the answer.

The REAL problem is corporations have purchased government...100% of the Republicans and half the Democrats are corporate OWNED...

I say its more like 98% of reps and 98% of dems, but i digress....yes that is a sad state where special interest "donations" to campaigns have guaranteed politicians legislate for corporations and not people.

 

[Bfgrn]

Wait so we can only either trust corporations or trust government?

Oh we are SOOOOOOO screwed if thats the case.

Personally I like the constitution which was designed to keep the federal government weak and the local governments strong...in effect giving communities direct access to those that govern them and the laws/rules that will be used. Over the last few decades we have increasingly nationalized government power instead of keeping it localized, this is the true cause of the problems we see.


The federal government is not, from its track record, looking out for the people
The corporations, from their track record, are not looking out for the people.

Its the people that look out for themselves, as our founders knew governments and companies are not the answer.

The REAL problem is corporations have purchased government...100% of the Republicans and half the Democrats are corporate OWNED...

I say its more like 98% of reps and 98% of dems, but i digress....yes that is a sad state where special interest "donations" to campaigns have guaranteed politicians legislate for corporations and not people.

Your math is way off...

Here's an excellent explanation...

There is nothing wrong with corporations. Corporations are a good thing. They encourage us to take risks. They maximize wealth. They create jobs. I own a corporation. They're a great thing, but they should not be running our government. The reason for that is they don't have the same aspirations for America that you and I do. A corporation does not want democracy. It does not want free markets, it wants profits, and the best way for it to get profits is to use our campaign-finance system -- which is just a system of legalized bribery -- to get their stakes, their hooks into a public official and then use that public official to dismantle the marketplace to give them a competitive advantage and then to privatize the commons, to steal the commonwealth, to liquidate public assets for cash, to plunder, to steal from the rest of us.

And that doesn't mean corporations are a bad thing. It just means they're amoral, and we have to recognize that and not let them into the political process. Let them do their thing, but they should not be participating in our political process, because a corporation cannot do something genuinely philanthropic. It's against the law in this country, because their shareholders can sue them for wasting corporate resources. They cannot legally do anything that will not increase their profit margins. That's the way the law works, and we have to recognize that and understand that they are toxic for the political process, and they have to be fenced off and kept out of the political process. This is why throughout our history our most visionary political leaders -- Republican and Democrat -- have been warning the American public against domination by corporate power.

This White House has done a great job of persuading a gullible press and the American public that the big threat to American democracy is big government. Well, yeah, big government is a threat ultimately, but it is dwarfed by the threat of excessive corporate power and the corrosive impact that has on our democracy. And you know, as I said, you look at all the great political leaders in this country and the central theme is that we have to be cautious about, we have to avoid, the domination of our government by corporate power.

Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican, said that America would never be destroyed by a foreign power but he warned that our political institutions, our democratic institutions, would be subverted by malefactors of great wealth, who would erode them from within. Dwight Eisenhower, another Republican, in his most famous speech, warned America against domination by the military industrial complex.

Abraham Lincoln, the greatest Republican in our history, said during the height of the Civil War "I have the South in front of me and I have the bankers behind me. And for my country, I fear the bankers more." Franklin Roosevelt said during World War II that the domination of government by corporate power is "the essence of fascism" and Benito Mussolini -- who had an insider's view of that process -- said the same thing. Essentially, he complained that fascism should not be called fascism. It should be called corporatism because it was the merger of state and corporate power. And what we have to understand as Americans is that the domination of business by government is called communism. The domination of government by business is called fascism. And our job is to walk that narrow trail in between, which is free-market capitalism and democracy. And keep big government at bay with our right hand and corporate power at bay with our left.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.'s speech

at the Sierra Summit, September 10, 2005


"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats that don't know what's going on"
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Government is to provide an irreducible number of programs.

Capital is to make a profit.

The first is about morality, serving the people. The first must always regulate the second to make sure that competition is always healthy. Then the people will truly be served.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Um. Banks are among the most highly regulated institutions in this country. Have been since the 1930s.
Government has been the problem, not absence of government.
Please check your facts before posting idiocies.

And someone with Rabbi's philosophy used this as justification for deregulating the banks. Government oversight is always bad.

Threw the whole world into the largest recession in 70 years.

And yet morons like Palin still insist that it was too much Government oversight that lead to the collapse

Government oversight is always bad

I don't think Adam Smith would even go so far.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

"The idea that private industry can always do something better than the government is false and sad and divisive," "People should know better." - so said a very brilliant and no nonsense man.

Is he a socialist or a leftie?

---

The right is always trying to own the idea that they and their masters in private industry are the only ones who can do things --well right. Myth vs reality. Sorta like the idea that Ronald Reagan was a conservative with principles.

Here's the difference, private industry has to make a profit, therefore they have to work under a balanced budget, watch thier nickles and dimes, otherwise go bankrupt and out of business.

The government on the other hand NEVER has to show a profit, they never have to balance the budget, therefore they could care less about the nickels and dimes, and when they run out of money they just print more money and RAISE your taxes.

Of course the government NEVER has to show a profit. Why would it? gawd, you're an dolt!

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

"The idea that private industry can always do something better than the government is false and sad and divisive," "People should know better." - so said a very brilliant and no nonsense man.

Is he a socialist or a leftie?

---

The right is always trying to own the idea that they and their masters in private industry are the only ones who can do things --well right. Myth vs reality. Sorta like the idea that Ronald Reagan was a conservative with principles.

Robert W. Taylor said it...
The Internet has many fathers, but few deserve the label more than Robert W. Taylor.

Here's a famous liberal's take...

"The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."
President Abraham Lincoln

great post my friend. great post.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

"The idea that private industry can always do something better than the government is false and sad and divisive," "People should know better." - so said a very brilliant and no nonsense man.

Is he a socialist or a leftie?

---

The right is always trying to own the idea that they and their masters in private industry are the only ones who can do things --well right. Myth vs reality. Sorta like the idea that Ronald Reagan was a conservative with principles.

Wait so we can only either trust corporations or trust government?

Oh we are SOOOOOOO screwed if thats the case.

Personally I like the constitution which was designed to keep the federal government weak and the local governments strong...in effect giving communities direct access to those that govern them and the laws/rules that will be used. Over the last few decades we have increasingly nationalized government power instead of keeping it localized, this is the true cause of the problems we see.


The federal government is not, from its track record, looking out for the people
The corporations, from their track record, are not looking out for the people.

Its the people that look out for themselves, as our founders knew governments and companies are not the answer.

The Constitution was designed to keep the states strong? WTF?

It was designed to provide a central government. There were disagreements since day one on how much power to give to the federal government, but stating that the
constitution was designed to keep the states strong is putting a cart before a horse.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

"The idea that private industry can always do something better than the government is false and sad and divisive," "People should know better." - so said a very brilliant and no nonsense man.

Is he a socialist or a leftie?

---

The right is always trying to own the idea that they and their masters in private industry are the only ones who can do things --well right. Myth vs reality. Sorta like the idea that Ronald Reagan was a conservative with principles.

Wait so we can only either trust corporations or trust government?

Oh we are SOOOOOOO screwed if thats the case.

Personally I like the constitution which was designed to keep the federal government weak and the local governments strong...in effect giving communities direct access to those that govern them and the laws/rules that will be used. Over the last few decades we have increasingly nationalized government power instead of keeping it localized, this is the true cause of the problems we see.


The federal government is not, from its track record, looking out for the people
The corporations, from their track record, are not looking out for the people.

Its the people that look out for themselves, as our founders knew governments and companies are not the answer.

The REAL problem is corporations have purchased government...100% of the Republicans and half the Democrats are corporate OWNED...

and whose fault is this? Conservatives keep pushing the rights of corporations in the courts.

 

[The Rabbi]

Um. Banks are among the most highly regulated institutions in this country. Have been since the 1930s.
Government has been the problem, not absence of government.
Please check your facts before posting idiocies.

And someone with Rabbi's philosophy used this as justification for deregulating the banks. Government oversight is always bad.

Threw the whole world into the largest recession in 70 years.

And yet morons like Palin still insist that it was too much Government oversight that lead to the collapse

Government oversight is always bad

I don't think Adam Smith would even go so far.

A:ways is a strong word.
But government oversight neither prevented the banks from making bad loans nor did it encourage it nor did it cause the recession.
That has to be blamed on the Fed for keeping interest rates too low.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Where's the privately owned, developed and operated interstate highway. Or the private moon landing. Or the private system of locks and dams on navigable rivers.

What's the difference between a private university and a state university? Cost.

Yeah...because it's subsidised by tax dollars paid by you and me.

Interstae highways, moon landings and locks on navigable waterways ARE the sort of things government is supposed to do for the people...what they are NOT supposed to do IS FUCKING MEDDLE IN EVERYONES PERSONAL LIFE BY ORDERING US TO GET HEALTHCARE, TELLING OUR CHILDREN TO SING OBAMA CULT OF PERSONALITY SONGS, IMPLEMENTING SOCIAL ENGINEERING PROJECTS AND TAKING OUR HARD EARNED MONEY AND GIVING IT TO THE SHIFTLESS LAZY MOTHERFUCKERS WHO SELL DEATH TO OUR SCHOOL CHILDREN.

 

[Ame®icano]

please name me 1 government program that is running flawlessly and not in the red.

Cause I can name about 50 that are all broke and corrupt....51 if we are too add healthcare

Corruption.

 

[Contumacious]

There are certain things that gov't needs to do that cannot be done privately.....

........correct......such as........er........uhum............ahhhh........well let me research the issue .


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[VaYank5150]

please name me 1 government program that is running flawlessly and not in the red.

Cause I can name about 50 that are all broke and corrupt....51 if we are too add healthcare

Please name all of the private businesses that are running flawlessly and are free of corruption.

 

[The Rabbi]

There are certain things that gov't needs to do that cannot be done privately.....

........correct......such as........er........uhum............ahhhh........well let me research the issue .


.

Since you're a little slow, let me give you some ideas:
Patents. Military. Interstate Highways. Probably coinage altough we could discuss that. Courts. Police.

 

[The Rabbi]

please name me 1 government program that is running flawlessly and not in the red.

Cause I can name about 50 that are all broke and corrupt....51 if we are too add healthcare

Please name all of the private businesses that are running flawlessly and are free of corruption.

Not a one. That wasn't the claim though.
When a business makes serious mistakes and is corrupt, it will file bankruptcy and go out of business. Unless it's deemed essential by Obama in which case it will get subsidies.
When a government program makes serious mistakes and is corrupt it gets more money to fix the problem.

 

[VaYank5150]

please name me 1 government program that is running flawlessly and not in the red.

Cause I can name about 50 that are all broke and corrupt....51 if we are too add healthcare

Please name all of the private businesses that are running flawlessly and are free of corruption.

Not a one. That wasn't the claim though.
When a business makes serious mistakes and is corrupt, it will file bankruptcy and go out of business. Unless it's deemed essential by Obama in which case it will get subsidies.
When a government program makes serious mistakes and is corrupt it gets more money to fix the problem.

What about the ones that were given subsidies by Dubya? Is there a difference?

 

[The Rabbi]

Please name all of the private businesses that are running flawlessly and are free of corruption.

Not a one. That wasn't the claim though.
When a business makes serious mistakes and is corrupt, it will file bankruptcy and go out of business. Unless it's deemed essential by Obama in which case it will get subsidies.
When a government program makes serious mistakes and is corrupt it gets more money to fix the problem.

What about the ones that were given subsidies by Dubya? Is there a difference?

Only in scale.

 

[Ame®icano]

please name me 1 government program that is running flawlessly and not in the red.

Cause I can name about 50 that are all broke and corrupt....51 if we are too add healthcare

Army
Navy
Air Force
Marines
FBI
CIA
DOT
Secret Service

There's a handful. There are many more, but I doubt they'll matter to partisan hacks.

Those would be their constitutional duties.

 

[VaYank5150]

please name me 1 government program that is running flawlessly and not in the red.

Cause I can name about 50 that are all broke and corrupt....51 if we are too add healthcare

Army
Navy
Air Force
Marines
FBI
CIA
DOT
Secret Service

There's a handful. There are many more, but I doubt they'll matter to partisan hacks.

Those would be their constitutional duties.

The Department of Transportation is in the Constitution??