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Government would be of the people, by the people and for the people if there were term limits to prevent despicable leeches of all parties to hang on for a life time of freeloading and sucking at the tax payer's teat.
If term limits are good for the President - as that ultimate bully freeloader FDR proved it and made it necessary - it should be good for all politicians on every level of government, because it is necessary there, as well.
Also, prohibit adding pork to major bills and give the President line item veto oin exchange for less abuse of executive orders.
This could be a logical first step to government of the people, by the people and for the people.
You're pretty funny, hyper-partisan scum. Robin, I like you!You're stupid.
That pretty much covers it.
Political systems don't "allow" anything. The "romantic notion" you so casually dismiss is called America. What Mr. Lincoln's statement means is that YOU have allowed this to happen. You and every other American who doesn't understand their role in the government. The founding fathers were not naive. They understood corruption and human nature better than you ever will. They still had the guts to experiment with a system of government they knew would fail if people ignored their oversight responsibilities.There are many who maintain this romantic notion of "we are the government", despite the clear evidence that our political system allows itself to be corrupted and distorted by its own rules.
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I posted a quote from Mr. Lincoln and asked people what it means to them. Is that confusing to you?What is the point of this thread?That, of course, was Lincoln's description of American government.
What does that mean to you?
This should be funny. Just to streamline the process I provide the following, for your dining and dancing pleasure.
Libtards iz stupid!
Conservitards iz stupid!
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So that's what you think Lincoln really meant? That's what our government has become, but it's not what Lincoln meant.That, of course, was Lincoln's description of American government.
What does that mean to you?
This should be funny. Just to streamline the process I provide the following, for your dining and dancing pleasure.
Libtards iz stupid!
Conservitards iz stupid!
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Govt for the wealthy, by the wealthy.
So Lincoln was lying?It is a lie.That, of course, was Lincoln's description of American government.
What does that mean to you?
This should be funny. Just to streamline the process I provide the following, for your dining and dancing pleasure.
Libtards iz stupid!
Conservitards iz stupid!
Copy and paste, as needed. Repeat, every five minutes.
Our gov is of elites, by elites, and for elites...and has been for a very long time.
Really, it wasn't the first? Which one was first then?First? No, not really.Wow. So America, to you, is no better than any other government? Does no one here like America? I've always taken pride in my country. The first country ever founded on Enlightenment principles. That's worthy of respect and protection.Our government has been busy corrupting these principals, no different than the governments in countless empires that have risen and fallen in the last several thousand years.
Since NO ONE cares to address the very simple question I posted, I shall do so. What Mr. Lincoln's statement means is that YOU are the government. The American people are responsible for the corruption of those principles. The American people are also responsible for fixing that corruption.
Is it a good government? In comparison to others, yes it is. The problem is the political machine has gotten out of control and you can clearly see that in the responses to your OP. Essentially, no one believe the government is for or by the people anymore - and they are right. Democratic or Republic governments do not function well when the electorate remains purposefully and willfully ignorant and today the electorate does just that. Not only willingly but it seems most people relish in it.
Nope. I guess to you it is a mystery. It means YOU are the government. Not the representatives you choose. Not the clowns in Washington and the state capitals. They are merely servants. You have a responsibility, not to make sure the government does what you want it to do, but to make sure the government is not corrupted. Not to abandon the founding principles of this country when it suits your convenience. YOU are responsible for making sure the government is free of corruption. There are tools for this purpose. Term limits, electoral reform, anti-gerrymandering legislation. We could implement these fixes, if we had the will to do so. Unfortunately, only a tiny percentage of the American electorate knows what gerrymandering is. You can't fix something that you don't comprehend. Do you know what gerrymandering is? Are you smart enough to care about it? I doubt it, but please, feel free to surprise me.Posting idiotic comments to poke fun at others' intellect? That's really special.That, of course, was Lincoln's description of American government.
What does that mean to you?
This should be funny. Just to streamline the process I provide the following, for your dining and dancing pleasure.
Libtards iz stupid!
Conservitards iz stupid!
Copy and paste, as needed. Repeat, every five minutes.
It isn't a fucking mystery, government is supposed to represent the citizens in a republic, liberals are hell bent on making us subjects to the state. That's why we are at odds, Snowflower. Some of us prefer owning the government, some of us prefer the government owning us.
I do have a grip on that fact. Do you realize that the founding fathers expected YOU to fight that corruption? Who do you think they trusted to keep corrupt politicians in line, corrupt politicians? Truly pathetic.Wow. So America, to you, is no better than any other government? Does no one here like America? I've always taken pride in my country. The first country ever founded on Enlightenment principles. That's worthy of respect and protection.Our government has been busy corrupting these principals, no different than the governments in countless empires that have risen and fallen in the last several thousand years.
Since NO ONE cares to address the very simple question I posted, I shall do so. What Mr. Lincoln's statement means is that YOU are the government. The American people are responsible for the corruption of those principles. The American people are also responsible for fixing that corruption.
The government is corrupt get a grip on this fact.
We have all allowed this to happen.Political systems don't "allow" anything. The "romantic notion" you so casually dismiss is called America. What Mr. Lincoln's statement means is that YOU have allowed this to happen. You and every other American who doesn't understand their role in the government. The founding fathers were not naive. They understood corruption and human nature better than you ever will. They still had the guts to experiment with a system of government they knew would fail if people ignored their oversight responsibilities.There are many who maintain this romantic notion of "we are the government", despite the clear evidence that our political system allows itself to be corrupted and distorted by its own rules.
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But no, blame everybody else.
Thank you. That's one real American, at least. We can't expect corrupt politicians to impose term limits on themselves, though. Only the real government, the people, can create those changes. In order to do that we must be great enough to rise above petty squabbles and find common cause with people we disagree with. In other words, we're doomed.Government would be of the people, by the people and for the people if there were term limits to prevent despicable leeches of all parties to hang on for a life time of freeloading and sucking at the tax payer's teat.
If term limits are good for the President - as that ultimate bully freeloader FDR proved it and made it necessary - it should be good for all politicians on every level of government, because it is necessary there, as well.
Also, prohibit adding pork to major bills and give the President line item veto oin exchange for less abuse of executive orders.
This could be a logical first step to government of the people, by the people and for the people.
So, Mr. Lincoln was not paying attention and was not as aware as he thought he was? I didn't make that statement. I merely asked you what you thought about it.We have all allowed this to happen.Political systems don't "allow" anything. The "romantic notion" you so casually dismiss is called America. What Mr. Lincoln's statement means is that YOU have allowed this to happen. You and every other American who doesn't understand their role in the government. The founding fathers were not naive. They understood corruption and human nature better than you ever will. They still had the guts to experiment with a system of government they knew would fail if people ignored their oversight responsibilities.There are many who maintain this romantic notion of "we are the government", despite the clear evidence that our political system allows itself to be corrupted and distorted by its own rules.
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But no, blame everybody else.
And it doesn't have to be America. We the People don't have to "allow" our politicians to be bought and sold like commodities.
Those who indeed do have a romantic, collective notion that "we are the government" are simply not paying attention, and I suspect they're not as aware as they think they are.
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I do have a grip on that fact. Do you realize that the founding fathers expected YOU to fight that corruption? Who do you think they trusted to keep corrupt politicians in line, corrupt politicians? Truly pathetic.Wow. So America, to you, is no better than any other government? Does no one here like America? I've always taken pride in my country. The first country ever founded on Enlightenment principles. That's worthy of respect and protection.Our government has been busy corrupting these principals, no different than the governments in countless empires that have risen and fallen in the last several thousand years.
Since NO ONE cares to address the very simple question I posted, I shall do so. What Mr. Lincoln's statement means is that YOU are the government. The American people are responsible for the corruption of those principles. The American people are also responsible for fixing that corruption.
The government is corrupt get a grip on this fact.
You've got a big mouth for someone that has only posted a couple of dozen entries to date.Is the clown suit for me, or Mr. Lincoln?Lawd have mercy! Cyberville just sent us a brand new troll who does ELVIS! Where is wardrobe? Where the hell is wardrobe?
guno, Get this bozo a clown suit NOW!
I love cowards like you. Hyper-partisan scum. Next will be the inevitable insults of my parentage. Let me save you the trouble. My mother was a whore and my daddy was the Anti-Christ. Or is it that my daddy was a whore and my mummy was secretly Obama's Kenyan mama?
Let's face it, you can't answer this simple question about what Lincoln's statement means to you because it means nothing to you. You can make mindless insults, which have about as much affect on me as the babbling of a Tourette's sufferer, but you are incapable of anything else.
The only question left is whether Lincoln's statement means nothing to you because you're a closet fascist who hates this country and tries to pretend he doesn't, or are you just a low-grade moron? My money is on moron.
Don't worry, I know NOTHING will ever make you say something thoughtful.
God forbid someone actually has a point of view different from the mainstream. Just say I support anyone right to have any opinion on any subject they want unless it is 'partisan' then they can't because that is just bad. Only certain opinions should be allowed...only mine and the ones that I agree with.
Dishonest Abe was a prolific liar. Much like the jackass the WH now.So Lincoln was lying?It is a lie.That, of course, was Lincoln's description of American government.
What does that mean to you?
This should be funny. Just to streamline the process I provide the following, for your dining and dancing pleasure.
Libtards iz stupid!
Conservitards iz stupid!
Copy and paste, as needed. Repeat, every five minutes.
Our gov is of elites, by elites, and for elites...and has been for a very long time.
The Gettysburg Address is trite, huh. I'd laugh if I weren't busy throwing up. Hyper-partisan scum .The saying came from the Gettysburg Address which Lincoln wrote at a time when government obviously wasn't "of the people, by the people and for the people". The point is that you can't take a quote out of 1860's context and try to fit it in to today's political climate. Trite quotations aside, the U.S. Constitution is the only thing holding the U.S. from collapsing under left wing tyranny.
