Government Healthcare Disaster in UK

[Conspiracist]

And yet, there you are, living off your wife. And your wife's insurance. You are a parasite. How does it feel bloodsucker? Take some responsibility. Get a job. Don't take your wife's insurance paid for by tax payers who don't want to support a blood sucking parasite. Don't tell us you are training your kid to be a parasite like you. I wonder if that could be called "child abuse". So now you're living off your wife and abusing your child. That's just "sick". Shame on you.

I hope that was an attempt at humor,

It was more like I was "mocking him". Sometimes people need help. We are a nation that helps each other. Republicans seem to have forgotten that.

More than half Americans want the public option.

More than half Americans want expanded Medicare.

Our current health care system is unsustainable.

Yet, Republicans, the obstructionist party, has managed to remove both the Public Option and Expanded Medicare. They don't care what Americans want.
They are "conservatives". They want things to "remain the same". But things are falling apart. They won't remain the same. They need to be fixed.

Worse, all the loons and goofballs are now in the Republicans party. Anti eduction, anti American, anti everything. They are just unhappy. This is where you get this, "We need to take our country back". Because they just want to "make things better". The truth is, they don't know how. I honestly believe many are hoping "Gawd" will "step in" and make things "better".

Worst of all, Republican leaders and Fox have stoked people's fear to make money or for political gain. If you hold the tail of a rattler, don't be surprised if it turns and bites you.

Finally, Democrats have been way too slow to respond because they can't believe that anyone would be stupid enough to believe "death panels", "kill grandma" and all that other nonsense Republicans have been saying. Unfortunately, the majority of Republicans do believe it. Because their fear and terror helps them to believe it. We can't underestimate the power of fear.

Dems had a super majority in Senate and a majority in congress and Repubs put the brakes on the public option? Geddafugoutta here!

The Dems have proved themselves impotent on this and if you cannot at least acknowledge that then you need to go back to school, (not that that would hurt any of us).

As far as republicans not believing there needs to be a change I agree with you there. There does need to be a change but my problem with the proposed change is that the same people that run an easily profitable postal system and lose our tax money EVERY SINGLE YEAR will be running our healthcare too? No fucking thank you.

 

[Meister]

And yet, there you are, living off your wife. And your wife's insurance. You are a parasite. How does it feel bloodsucker? Take some responsibility. Get a job. Don't take your wife's insurance paid for by tax payers who don't want to support a blood sucking parasite. Don't tell us you are training your kid to be a parasite like you. I wonder if that could be called "child abuse". So now you're living off your wife and abusing your child. That's just "sick". Shame on you.

I hope that was an attempt at humor,

It was more like I was "mocking him". Sometimes people need help. We are a nation that helps each other. Republicans seem to have forgotten that. More than half Americans want the public option.More than half Americans want expanded Medicare.

Our current health care system is unsustainable.

Yet, Republicans, the obstructionist party, has managed to remove both the Public Option and Expanded Medicare. They don't care what Americans want.

They are "conservatives". They want things to "remain the same". But things are falling apart. They won't remain the same. They need to be fixed.

Worse, all the loons and goofballs are now in the Republicans party. Anti eduction, anti American, anti everything. They are just unhappy. This is where you get this, "We need to take our country back". Because they just want to "make things better". The truth is, they don't know how. I honestly believe many are hoping "Gawd" will "step in" and make things "better".

Worst of all, Republican leaders and Fox have stoked people's fear to make money or for political gain. If you hold the tail of a rattler, don't be surprised if it turns and bites you.

Finally, Democrats have been way too slow to respond because they can't believe that anyone would be stupid enough to believe "death panels", "kill grandma" and all that other nonsense Republicans have been saying. Unfortunately, the majority of Republicans do believe it. Because their fear and terror helps them to believe it. We can't underestimate the power of fear.

I'm just going to respond to a couple of your "points" rdean. You have no idea what your talking about, and every one of your posts prove it.
America is a giving nation to those that need it, and it is the republicans that are more charitable than your democratic party, that is a fact.

Another one of your "half facts" is that America does want a public option, the point you fail on is that they don't want to pay for the public option.
Why not try and give the whole story and not just the part that backs your pathetic yarn.

 

[Meister]

[/B]
I hope that was an attempt at humor,

It was more like I was "mocking him". Sometimes people need help. We are a nation that helps each other. Republicans seem to have forgotten that.

More than half Americans want the public option.

More than half Americans want expanded Medicare.

Our current health care system is unsustainable.

Yet, Republicans, the obstructionist party, has managed to remove both the Public Option and Expanded Medicare. They don't care what Americans want.
They are "conservatives". They want things to "remain the same". But things are falling apart. They won't remain the same. They need to be fixed.

Worse, all the loons and goofballs are now in the Republicans party. Anti eduction, anti American, anti everything. They are just unhappy. This is where you get this, "We need to take our country back". Because they just want to "make things better". The truth is, they don't know how. I honestly believe many are hoping "Gawd" will "step in" and make things "better".

Worst of all, Republican leaders and Fox have stoked people's fear to make money or for political gain. If you hold the tail of a rattler, don't be surprised if it turns and bites you.

Finally, Democrats have been way too slow to respond because they can't believe that anyone would be stupid enough to believe "death panels", "kill grandma" and all that other nonsense Republicans have been saying. Unfortunately, the majority of Republicans do believe it. Because their fear and terror helps them to believe it. We can't underestimate the power of fear.

Dems had a super majority in Senate and a majority in congress and Repubs put the brakes on the public option? Geddafugoutta here!

The Dems have proved themselves impotent on this and if you cannot at least acknowledge that then you need to go back to school, (not that that would hurt any of us).

As far as republicans not believing there needs to be a change I agree with you there. There does need to be a change but my problem with the proposed change is that the same people that run an easily profitable postal system and lose our tax money EVERY SINGLE YEAR will be running our healthcare too? No fucking thank you.

You forgot, Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, and Amtrak, Seems the only thing that government does well is the military.

We have an 80% stake in AIG, and after the billions we invested in them, they are now crying for more money. Yeah, I want to invest in government healthcare.....NOT

 

[rightwinger]

Let me tell you a story about a Teachers insurance.

My wife is a teacher. I got laid off last February from my job that provided insurance for myself and my son. Why didn't I have insurance through my wife at her job? Cause it would have cost me $600 (US) per month.

So, when I got laid off, I had to pay that... every month. This was without me having a job and having an added expense of $600 per month. Did it suck? You betcha!!! Did I whine and expect somenoe else to pay for it? Absolutely not. I paid it by cutting back on other stuff... mainly pleasures.

You liberals are nothing but parasites... well ... actually you are a few other things like Socialists, Anti-American and just pretty darn angry people. And you can't see that America is turning against you in large numbers because they are tired of hearing your whining and dishonesty.

Take some responsibility for yourselves. You will actually enjoy your life much more when you do things on your own and quit expecting others to do it for you or fix it for you or pay for it for you or stroke your ego for you or not offend you .. blah blah blah

My god, you are everything I am training my child not to be.

Is it a good thing that if you lose your job you lose your health insurance? I would have thought that to have a system in place that guarantees health insurance regardless of employment conditions that it would be beneficial not just not to the individual but to the nation.

Why should anyone be entitled for anything that someone else is paying?

What's wrong with earning it on your own?

Having system in place that guarantees heatlh insurance regardless of your employment will be beneficial only to those who aren't working and will give them another excuse not to work.

Yea!

Like a public school education.

When YOUR house is on fire...Why should I have to pay for saving it?

 

[Neotrotsky]

Is it a good thing that if you lose your job you lose your health insurance? I would have thought that to have a system in place that guarantees health insurance regardless of employment conditions that it would be beneficial not just not to the individual but to the nation.

Why should anyone be entitled for anything that someone else is paying?

What's wrong with earning it on your own?

Having system in place that guarantees heatlh insurance regardless of your employment will be beneficial only to those who aren't working and will give them another excuse not to work.

Yea!

Like a public school education.

When YOUR house is on fire...Why should I have to pay for saving it?

School vouchers help poor minorities- ask Papa Obama - some use to go to his kid's school



Don't poor home owners pay property taxes-?

 

[Ame®icano]

Is it a good thing that if you lose your job you lose your health insurance? I would have thought that to have a system in place that guarantees health insurance regardless of employment conditions that it would be beneficial not just not to the individual but to the nation.

Why should anyone be entitled for anything that someone else is paying?

What's wrong with earning it on your own?

Having system in place that guarantees heatlh insurance regardless of your employment will be beneficial only to those who aren't working and will give them another excuse not to work.

Yea!

Like a public school education.

When YOUR house is on fire...Why should I have to pay for saving it?

Are you saying that public schools and firefighters are paid by federal taxes?

 

[Diuretic]

The oft-repeated assertion that "I'm paying for someone else's health care" is fatuous. You're not. You're paying taxes, the same taxes that fund things such as defence.

Di...i believe the big sticker here is .....no one wants the US Govt. sticking their nose in this.....Regulating the Ins Co's is one thing, the Govt attempting to run it is another....we have seen how they run things.....i work for one of the entities....its not run very well....wasting money is a fact of life with these guys.....and when your Spokespersons are the 2 stooges (Reid and Pelosi).....it just makes you shutter.....thats my take...

Fair enough Harry, it's always useful to read some specific objections. And those dangers do exist, I'll admit that. However if that's the main objection - incompetence or waste (under heading "negligence") then it should be addressed. This is where I have to leave the issue alone because my own views and experience are from a member of a nation of only 21m people which isn't a very complex society and in a country that is naturally blessed, so much so that even our incompetent boofhead politicians can't stuff it up, no matter how hard they try. It's evident to me that what works in my country won't necessarily work in the US, which is why I try and stay away from being prescriptive on the details.

 

[Diuretic]

Is it a good thing that if you lose your job you lose your health insurance? I would have thought that to have a system in place that guarantees health insurance regardless of employment conditions that it would be beneficial not just not to the individual but to the nation.

Why should anyone be entitled for anything that someone else is paying?

What's wrong with earning it on your own?

Having system in place that guarantees heatlh insurance regardless of your employment will be beneficial only to those who aren't working and will give them another excuse not to work.

Yea!

Like a public school education.

When YOUR house is on fire...Why should I have to pay for saving it?

Which is why publicly funded firefighting agencies were formed in Britain, because those owned by insurance companies would turn up at a burning structure, check the plate on the front, see that it didn't have their company name on it and promptly return to base to let the structure burn down! They worked out pretty soon that it was against the public interest.

 

[rightwinger]

Why should anyone be entitled for anything that someone else is paying?

What's wrong with earning it on your own?

Having system in place that guarantees heatlh insurance regardless of your employment will be beneficial only to those who aren't working and will give them another excuse not to work.

Yea!

Like a public school education.

When YOUR house is on fire...Why should I have to pay for saving it?

Are you saying that public schools and firefighters are paid by federal taxes?

Why does it matter what pocket it comes from?

It still comes out of your pocket. Your taxes pay to save your neighbors house if it is on fire. By your argument, should't he be billed the thousands of dollars to fight it? Why is he "entitled to what you are paying for"?

 

[Ame®icano]

Yea!

Like a public school education.

When YOUR house is on fire...Why should I have to pay for saving it?

Are you saying that public schools and firefighters are paid by federal taxes?

Why does it matter what pocket it comes from?

It still comes out of your pocket. Your taxes pay to save your neighbors house if it is on fire. By your argument, should't he be billed the thousands of dollars to fight it? Why is he "entitled to what you are paying for"?

It comes out of neighbor pocket too, therefore he IS entitled for those services.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I notice you left out the rest of the quote:

You could always point to a "case" or "cases". How about the heath care official who flips bird at mother of dying 17 year old girl whose insurance was cut. Hint - it was in this country.

Health Care companies made 12 billion last year by cutting 2.7 million policies. Now we have to pay for those people at 10 times the cost. Why is that OK for Republicans?

Hey, if it smells like poop, feels like poop, then it's poop and that's what Republicans do to this country by working against the Americans best interests just so corporations could have "more".

Rdean i just made that up as i was typing....it was not a Quote....so how could i have left out anything?.....

If you go back to #68, you will see that you quoted only half of what I wrote. You are like a pair of children's scissors, cute, colorful, not too sharp.

thats because Rdean i have no problem when you post actual happenings....but that last sentance of yours .....more Rdean biased bullshit....you know the story...if you dont agree with me....your a fucking low life Republican....if you dont agree with me,there is no way possible your a Democrate.....if you dont agree with Rdean....your just wrong period.....so i did not leave anything out Dean.....you just cant see how you come off to many on this board.....but thats your problem....not mine or anyone elses.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

It was more like I was "mocking him". Sometimes people need help. We are a nation that helps each other. Republicans seem to have forgotten that.

More than half Americans want the public option.

More than half Americans want expanded Medicare.

Our current health care system is unsustainable.

Yet, Republicans, the obstructionist party, has managed to remove both the Public Option and Expanded Medicare. They don't care what Americans want.

They are "conservatives". They want things to "remain the same". But things are falling apart. They won't remain the same. They need to be fixed.

Worse, all the loons and goofballs are now in the Republicans party. Anti eduction, anti American, anti everything. They are just unhappy. This is where you get this, "We need to take our country back". Because they just want to "make things better". The truth is, they don't know how. I honestly believe many are hoping "Gawd" will "step in" and make things "better".

Worst of all, Republican leaders and Fox have stoked people's fear to make money or for political gain. If you hold the tail of a rattler, don't be surprised if it turns and bites you.

Finally, Democrats have been way too slow to respond because they can't believe that anyone would be stupid enough to believe "death panels", "kill grandma" and all that other nonsense Republicans have been saying. Unfortunately, the majority of Republicans do believe it. Because their fear and terror helps them to believe it. We can't underestimate the power of fear.

this post has probobly made you an even bigger asshole than Midcant Dean....and he is a big asshole.....if more than half the country wants this or that....then that means there are a lot of Republicans in those figures....and yet you then lump ALL Republicans as being this that and all those other bullshit things you throw in there....for now on Dean i am going to refer you and your far left buddies as the "SMEGMA" party.....the party under the foreskin of America.....sooner or later you assholes and the Queen of Smegma,Pelosi, will get washed away....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Yea!

Like a public school education.

When YOUR house is on fire...Why should I have to pay for saving it?

RW.....when are you going to answer my fucking question?....Oman....heart surgery....yay or nay?....

 

[Meister]

Yea!

Like a public school education.

When YOUR house is on fire...Why should I have to pay for saving it?

RW.....when are you going to answer my fucking question?....Oman....heart surgery....yay or nay?....

he doesn't have the nads to answer that one, Harry. You would expose him as a hypocrit

 

[Harry Dresden]

The oft-repeated assertion that "I'm paying for someone else's health care" is fatuous. You're not. You're paying taxes, the same taxes that fund things such as defence.

Di...i believe the big sticker here is .....no one wants the US Govt. sticking their nose in this.....Regulating the Ins Co's is one thing, the Govt attempting to run it is another....we have seen how they run things.....i work for one of the entities....its not run very well....wasting money is a fact of life with these guys.....and when your Spokespersons are the 2 stooges (Reid and Pelosi).....it just makes you shutter.....thats my take...

Fair enough Harry, it's always useful to read some specific objections. And those dangers do exist, I'll admit that. However if that's the main objection - incompetence or waste (under heading "negligence") then it should be addressed. This is where I have to leave the issue alone because my own views and experience are from a member of a nation of only 21m people which isn't a very complex society and in a country that is naturally blessed, so much so that even our incompetent boofhead politicians can't stuff it up, no matter how hard they try. It's evident to me that what works in my country won't necessarily work in the US, which is why I try and stay away from being prescriptive on the details.

you think it would be Di.....but it never seems to be....it just goes on....the State of California is a shining example of this.....their motto"if it did not work then lets spend more money....if that dont work....lets spend more money.....if that dont work.....lets spend even more money....and if that dont work well we are just going to keep spending money until it does".....Damit....

 

[rightwinger]

Are you saying that public schools and firefighters are paid by federal taxes?

Why does it matter what pocket it comes from?

It still comes out of your pocket. Your taxes pay to save your neighbors house if it is on fire. By your argument, should't he be billed the thousands of dollars to fight it? Why is he "entitled to what you are paying for"?

It comes out of neighbor pocket too, therefore he IS entitled for those services.

It would be the same with healthcare. Some would receive more than they pay in, some would receie less.
Same way it works with insurace companies

 

[rightwinger]

Yea!

Like a public school education.

When YOUR house is on fire...Why should I have to pay for saving it?

RW.....when are you going to answer my fucking question?....Oman....heart surgery....yay or nay?....

I answered where you originally asked in the "#37" thread. My answer was..

I have never been to Oman. I do know they are a fairly wealthy country, so I would not be so quick to condemn their healthcare.
What I did find was..

As of 1999, there were an estimated 1.3 physicians and 2.2 hospital beds per 1,000 people. In 1993, 89% of the population had access to health care services. In 2000, 99% of the population had access to health care services.. During the last 3 decades, the Oman health care system has demonstrated and reported great achievements in health care services and preventive and curative medicine. In 2001, Oman was ranked number 8 by the World Health Organization.

It appears that Oman is a wealthy country that cares about the well being of its citizens. It has invested heavily in its healthcare system and covers 99% of its population. I would guess that if you were to visti Oman, you would find hospitals and equipment acquired in the last 20 years. The only problem is you would find the hospital staffed with foreign doctors.....

Wait a minute...US hospitals are staffed with foreign doctors too.

So I guess the answer you have been waiting for is that I would not have a problem using a hospital in the #8 healthcare country ...Oman

 

[Nonelitist]

For dumbass Americans:If you work as a teacher or some other government entity and they pay your benefits you have:
GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE
Ask them if they like it or not.
DUH.

Let me tell you a story about a Teachers insurance.

My wife is a teacher. I got laid off last February from my job that provided insurance for myself and my son. Why didn't I have insurance through my wife at her job? Cause it would have cost me $600 (US) per month.

So, when I got laid off, I had to pay that... every month. This was without me having a job and having an added expense of $600 per month. Did it suck? You betcha!!! Did I whine and expect somenoe else to pay for it? Absolutely not. I paid it by cutting back on other stuff... mainly pleasures.

You liberals are nothing but parasites... well ... actually you are a few other things like Socialists, Anti-American and just pretty darn angry people. And you can't see that America is turning against you in large numbers because they are tired of hearing your whining and dishonesty.

Take some responsibility for yourselves. You will actually enjoy your life much more when you do things on your own and quit expecting others to do it for you or fix it for you or pay for it for you or stroke your ego for you or not offend you .. blah blah blah

My god, you are everything I am training my child not to be.

And yet, there you are, living off your wife. And your wife's insurance. You are a parasite. How does it feel bloodsucker? Take some responsibility. Get a job. Don't take your wife's insurance paid for by tax payers who don't want to support a blood sucking parasite. Don't tell us you are training your kid to be a parasite like you. I wonder if that could be called "child abuse". So now you're living off your wife and abusing your child. That's just "sick". Shame on you.

Dumbass.... I did get a job. So that part of your argument shows you to be nothing but an idiot that jumps to conclusions. Also, I wasn't a parasite because I paid the total amount of my insurance. My wife's employer didn't pay a dime.

Tell me where I lived off anybody stupid fuck.

 

[rightwinger]

Let me tell you a story about a Teachers insurance.

My wife is a teacher. I got laid off last February from my job that provided insurance for myself and my son. Why didn't I have insurance through my wife at her job? Cause it would have cost me $600 (US) per month.

So, when I got laid off, I had to pay that... every month. This was without me having a job and having an added expense of $600 per month. Did it suck? You betcha!!! Did I whine and expect somenoe else to pay for it? Absolutely not. I paid it by cutting back on other stuff... mainly pleasures.

You liberals are nothing but parasites... well ... actually you are a few other things like Socialists, Anti-American and just pretty darn angry people. And you can't see that America is turning against you in large numbers because they are tired of hearing your whining and dishonesty.

Take some responsibility for yourselves. You will actually enjoy your life much more when you do things on your own and quit expecting others to do it for you or fix it for you or pay for it for you or stroke your ego for you or not offend you .. blah blah blah

My god, you are everything I am training my child not to be.

And yet, there you are, living off your wife. And your wife's insurance. You are a parasite. How does it feel bloodsucker? Take some responsibility. Get a job. Don't take your wife's insurance paid for by tax payers who don't want to support a blood sucking parasite. Don't tell us you are training your kid to be a parasite like you. I wonder if that could be called "child abuse". So now you're living off your wife and abusing your child. That's just "sick". Shame on you.

Dumbass.... I did get a job. Also, I wasn't a parasite because I paid the total amount of my insurance. My wife's employer didn't pay a dime.

But why did you choose to leech off your wifes policy? Why not just go on the insurance open market like other unemployed Americans do?

That is what you are advocating for other unemployed Americans

 

[Ame®icano]

Why does it matter what pocket it comes from?

It still comes out of your pocket. Your taxes pay to save your neighbors house if it is on fire. By your argument, should't he be billed the thousands of dollars to fight it? Why is he "entitled to what you are paying for"?

It comes out of neighbor pocket too, therefore he IS entitled for those services.

It would be the same with healthcare. Some would receive more than they pay in, some would receie less.
Same way it works with insurace companies

It would be the same if everyone is paying in. We both know that is not the case here.