Government Healthcare Disaster in UK

[Baruch Menachem]

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

UK ranked 18

US ranked 37

Someone fisked the heck out of this a while ago. The numbers just don't jibe with reality.

Actual quality of care was only one of the measures. That is, you go in, see a doctor who fixes your problem, and go home. And it was weighted very low.

equality of care for all persons, even if the quality itself was pathetic, as is the case in Cuba, was valued higher. So if your health care system didn't do squat for anyone, but everyone suffered pretty much the same way, it gave you a higher ranking than if some folks got very well, some folks did pretty good, some folks did alright, and a small minority got the crumbs off the table, even if the ones who got the crumbs off the table got better care than anybody in the more equal society.

As the saying goes, figures don't like, but liars figure.

 

[California Girl]

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

UK ranked 18

US ranked 37

Are you seriously using stats supplied by the countries themselves - with no independent review - to back up your stance. Oh well, desperate times call for desperate measures. Carry on.

Oh, and..... according to the UK Government itself, their NHS (National Health Service) is the 4th largest employer ON THE PLANET. Little tiny country - fucking BIG health service. Imagine that in the US.

 

[Ame®icano]

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

UK ranked 18

US ranked 37

Someone fisked the heck out of this a while ago. The numbers just don't jibe with reality.

Actual quality of care was only one of the measures. That is, you go in, see a doctor who fixes your problem, and go home. And it was weighted very low.

equality of care for all persons, even if the quality itself was pathetic, as is the case in Cuba, was valued higher. So if your health care system didn't do squat for anyone, but everyone suffered pretty much the same way, it gave you a higher ranking than if some folks got very well, some folks did pretty good, some folks did alright, and a small minority got the crumbs off the table, even if the ones who got the crumbs off the table got better care than anybody in the more equal society.

As the saying goes, figures don't like, but liars figure.

18 UK
30 Canada

Does anyone believe they have better health care then we do? Then, how US ends up that low?

In UK average waiting time to get MRI and CT scan is 7 weeks - LINK, and in Canada waiting time is 13 weeks (MRI) and 6 weeks (CT) - LINK.

Average waiting time actually dropped for whole three weeks in past two years, and those countries rating improved as well, since people are happier for shorter waiting time.

And those angry and spoiled Americans are not happy if they have to wait more than a week, and they bitch around how their healthcare system sucks.

 

[Old Rocks]

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

UK ranked 18

US ranked 37

How about you go to Singapore ( #6 ) the next time you need major surgery ?

Hell spray graffiti on a few walls while you're there, fuckin dope ........

Damn, Driveby, do you research before you post nonsense?

Asia's Medical Tourism Destination #1: Singapore

Asia's Medical Tourism Destination #1: SingaporeBy:Nancy Wee

Singapore is a major medical tourism destination and one of the five hottest spots for medical treatments in Asia.

Visitors can select from a wide range of services to enhance their health and well being. These include health screening, medical wellness, aesthetic and anti-ageing programmes.

This island city boast a growing list of number 1 spots under its belt. No. 1 port, airport, mathematical geniuses... and the list goes on. Medical treatments' standard is top notch, and service is uniformly excellent.

It is therefore no surprise that Singapore is a popular destination for medical tourism as well as medical evacuations in the region. Prices are also generally lower than the West, although may be more expensive compared to its neighbors in the region. Three key agencies, the Economic Development Board, the Singapore Tourism Board and the International Enterprise Singapore have come together under the Singapore Medicine Banner to develop the Republic in one of Asia’s leading health care destinations.

Statistics in 2003 showed that 230,000 foreigners sought medical treatments here. Singapore Medicine is aiming to serve one million foreign patients a year by 2012 and generate $3 billion in revenues and create at least 13,000 jobs in the medical tourism industry.

Singapore provides the complete spectrum of healthcare services from primary care such as health screening, to quaternary care services such as organ transplants. Tourists coming for medical treatments also come to Singapore for a broad range of specialist care including Cardiology, Gynaecology, Orthopaedic Surgery, Oncology, Otorhinolaryngology, Urology, Neurosurgery and Opthalmology, besides General Surgery and General Medicine.

The country specializes in services for cardiology, ophthalmology, and oncology. Singapore is also a thriving dental hub.

 

[Old Rocks]

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

UK ranked 18

US ranked 37

Are you seriously using stats supplied by the countries themselves - with no independent review - to back up your stance. Oh well, desperate times call for desperate measures. Carry on.

Oh, and..... according to the UK Government itself, their NHS (National Health Service) is the 4th largest employer ON THE PLANET. Little tiny country - fucking BIG health service. Imagine that in the US.

Hmmm............


https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
Infant mortality rate:
total: 6.22 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 180
male: 6.9 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.51 deaths/1,000 live births (2009 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 78.11 years
country comparison to the world: 49
male: 75.65 years
female: 80.69 years (2009 est.)

 

[Old Rocks]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4]YouTube - "We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp[/ame]

 

[California Girl]

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

UK ranked 18

US ranked 37

Are you seriously using stats supplied by the countries themselves - with no independent review - to back up your stance. Oh well, desperate times call for desperate measures. Carry on.

Oh, and..... according to the UK Government itself, their NHS (National Health Service) is the 4th largest employer ON THE PLANET. Little tiny country - fucking BIG health service. Imagine that in the US.

Hmmm............


https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
Infant mortality rate:
total: 6.22 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 180
male: 6.9 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.51 deaths/1,000 live births (2009 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 78.11 years
country comparison to the world: 49
male: 75.65 years
female: 80.69 years (2009 est.)

I'm aware of this. We have the same shit put forward from both sides every time the debate comes up.

Do the CIA undertake their own independent research? I don't think they do. I think they use stats provided..... from the WHO.

 

[Old Rocks]

Are you seriously using stats supplied by the countries themselves - with no independent review - to back up your stance. Oh well, desperate times call for desperate measures. Carry on.

Oh, and..... according to the UK Government itself, their NHS (National Health Service) is the 4th largest employer ON THE PLANET. Little tiny country - fucking BIG health service. Imagine that in the US.

Hmmm............


https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
Infant mortality rate:
total: 6.22 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 180
male: 6.9 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.51 deaths/1,000 live births (2009 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 78.11 years
country comparison to the world: 49
male: 75.65 years
female: 80.69 years (2009 est.)

I'm aware of this. We have the same shit put forward from both sides every time the debate comes up.

Do the CIA undertake their own independent research? I don't think they do. I think they use stats provided..... from the WHO.

And I think you neo-cons use stuff pulled out of your ass.

 

[driveby]

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

UK ranked 18

US ranked 37

How about you go to Singapore ( #6 ) the next time you need major surgery ?

Hell spray graffiti on a few walls while you're there, fuckin dope ........

Damn, Driveby, do you research before you post nonsense?

Asia's Medical Tourism Destination #1: Singapore

Asia's Medical Tourism Destination #1: SingaporeBy:Nancy Wee

Singapore is a major medical tourism destination and one of the five hottest spots for medical treatments in Asia.

Visitors can select from a wide range of services to enhance their health and well being. These include health screening, medical wellness, aesthetic and anti-ageing programmes.

This island city boast a growing list of number 1 spots under its belt. No. 1 port, airport, mathematical geniuses... and the list goes on. Medical treatments' standard is top notch, and service is uniformly excellent.

It is therefore no surprise that Singapore is a popular destination for medical tourism as well as medical evacuations in the region. Prices are also generally lower than the West, although may be more expensive compared to its neighbors in the region. Three key agencies, the Economic Development Board, the Singapore Tourism Board and the International Enterprise Singapore have come together under the Singapore Medicine Banner to develop the Republic in one of Asia’s leading health care destinations.

Statistics in 2003 showed that 230,000 foreigners sought medical treatments here. Singapore Medicine is aiming to serve one million foreign patients a year by 2012 and generate $3 billion in revenues and create at least 13,000 jobs in the medical tourism industry.

Singapore provides the complete spectrum of healthcare services from primary care such as health screening, to quaternary care services such as organ transplants. Tourists coming for medical treatments also come to Singapore for a broad range of specialist care including Cardiology, Gynaecology, Orthopaedic Surgery, Oncology, Otorhinolaryngology, Urology, Neurosurgery and Opthalmology, besides General Surgery and General Medicine.

The country specializes in services for cardiology, ophthalmology, and oncology. Singapore is also a thriving dental hub.

How many AMERICANS went there for medical treatment again ?

How many foreigners come here for medical treatment ?

Exactly, stick to your area of expertise, fake climate science .......

 

[Diuretic]

How about you go to Singapore ( #6 ) the next time you need major surgery ?

Hell spray graffiti on a few walls while you're there, fuckin dope ........

Damn, Driveby, do you research before you post nonsense?

Asia's Medical Tourism Destination #1: Singapore

Asia's Medical Tourism Destination #1: SingaporeBy:Nancy Wee

Singapore is a major medical tourism destination and one of the five hottest spots for medical treatments in Asia.

Visitors can select from a wide range of services to enhance their health and well being. These include health screening, medical wellness, aesthetic and anti-ageing programmes.

This island city boast a growing list of number 1 spots under its belt. No. 1 port, airport, mathematical geniuses... and the list goes on. Medical treatments' standard is top notch, and service is uniformly excellent.

It is therefore no surprise that Singapore is a popular destination for medical tourism as well as medical evacuations in the region. Prices are also generally lower than the West, although may be more expensive compared to its neighbors in the region. Three key agencies, the Economic Development Board, the Singapore Tourism Board and the International Enterprise Singapore have come together under the Singapore Medicine Banner to develop the Republic in one of Asia’s leading health care destinations.

Statistics in 2003 showed that 230,000 foreigners sought medical treatments here. Singapore Medicine is aiming to serve one million foreign patients a year by 2012 and generate $3 billion in revenues and create at least 13,000 jobs in the medical tourism industry.

Singapore provides the complete spectrum of healthcare services from primary care such as health screening, to quaternary care services such as organ transplants. Tourists coming for medical treatments also come to Singapore for a broad range of specialist care including Cardiology, Gynaecology, Orthopaedic Surgery, Oncology, Otorhinolaryngology, Urology, Neurosurgery and Opthalmology, besides General Surgery and General Medicine.

The country specializes in services for cardiology, ophthalmology, and oncology. Singapore is also a thriving dental hub.

How many AMERICANS went there for medical treatment again ?

How many foreigners come here for medical treatment ?

Exactly, stick to your area of expertise, fake climate science .......

How many Singaporeans are bankrupted by medical costs?

 

[driveby]

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

UK ranked 18

US ranked 37

How about you go to Singapore ( #6 ) the next time you need major surgery ?

Hell spray graffiti on a few walls while you're there, fuckin dope ........

Many Americans already do to obtain affordable healthcare

Medical Tourism Singapore - Discover Medical Tourism


Since Singapore’s prices are still around half of what US clinics charge for the same procedures, it’s understandable that some 200,000 visitors flock here every year in search of medical, cosmetic and dental treatment. A reputation for state-of-the-art equipment and the finest surgeons, many of which are trained in the US, is also a major draw card for many would-be patients.

Americans don't go to Singapore for medical treatment, thanks..........

 

[California Girl]

Hmmm............


https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
Infant mortality rate:
total: 6.22 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 180
male: 6.9 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.51 deaths/1,000 live births (2009 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 78.11 years
country comparison to the world: 49
male: 75.65 years
female: 80.69 years (2009 est.)

I'm aware of this. We have the same shit put forward from both sides every time the debate comes up.

Do the CIA undertake their own independent research? I don't think they do. I think they use stats provided..... from the WHO.

And I think you neo-cons use stuff pulled out of your ass.

So, your response actually is that you don't know either. Fair enough.

 

[Diuretic]

One of the problems the UK NHS faces is chronic under-funding. Perhaps they've forgotten that it has to be paid for and that could be why there are problems. Political spin isn't currency.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Damn, Driveby, do you research before you post nonsense?

Asia's Medical Tourism Destination #1: Singapore

Asia's Medical Tourism Destination #1: SingaporeBy:Nancy Wee

Singapore is a major medical tourism destination and one of the five hottest spots for medical treatments in Asia.

Visitors can select from a wide range of services to enhance their health and well being. These include health screening, medical wellness, aesthetic and anti-ageing programmes.

This island city boast a growing list of number 1 spots under its belt. No. 1 port, airport, mathematical geniuses... and the list goes on. Medical treatments' standard is top notch, and service is uniformly excellent.

It is therefore no surprise that Singapore is a popular destination for medical tourism as well as medical evacuations in the region. Prices are also generally lower than the West, although may be more expensive compared to its neighbors in the region. Three key agencies, the Economic Development Board, the Singapore Tourism Board and the International Enterprise Singapore have come together under the Singapore Medicine Banner to develop the Republic in one of Asia’s leading health care destinations.

Statistics in 2003 showed that 230,000 foreigners sought medical treatments here. Singapore Medicine is aiming to serve one million foreign patients a year by 2012 and generate $3 billion in revenues and create at least 13,000 jobs in the medical tourism industry.

Singapore provides the complete spectrum of healthcare services from primary care such as health screening, to quaternary care services such as organ transplants. Tourists coming for medical treatments also come to Singapore for a broad range of specialist care including Cardiology, Gynaecology, Orthopaedic Surgery, Oncology, Otorhinolaryngology, Urology, Neurosurgery and Opthalmology, besides General Surgery and General Medicine.

The country specializes in services for cardiology, ophthalmology, and oncology. Singapore is also a thriving dental hub.

good or bad Rocks....their system sounds like a money making industry.....now whose system does that remind you of?.....

 

[DiamondDave]

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

UK ranked 18

US ranked 37

WHO rankings with a bias geared toward socialized medicine debunked many times already...

In terms of advancements, amount of care, quality of care... we have the best health system money can buy... and yes YOUR money for YOUR care

 

[Meister]

One of the problems the UK NHS faces is chronic under-funding. Perhaps they've forgotten that it has to be paid for and that could be why there are problems. Political spin isn't currency.

Have you looked at our books with SS, Medicare, and Medicaid? Look at our Amtrak while your at it. Our government fails when it comes to running a business. Do you think we would do better with obamacare?

 

[DiamondDave]

Yeah... and 39% of GDP is not NEARLY enough to run a government on might as well raise it more

 

[Gadawg73]

Take a good look Americans and use your friggin brains.
How many obese and unhealthy Americans are therecompared to Britan and Canada?
We have the best disease care here in America. That is what our system is set up to do.
4% of Americans use 54% of the health care resource dollars here. They are the chronically diseased. 1 or more conditions. Fat lazy unhealthy retirees that do nothing to help themselves makes up almost 90% of that disease care $.
Concerning health care we probably rank about 60th worldwide.
Look around. Who here with a straight face can tell the lie that we are a healthy nation?
We are abunch of pill popping dope heads. They run ads all the time ON FRIGGIN TV. "Can't sleep. Eat some new and improved dope" "Having trouble getting your Johnson hard. eat a pill".
Most Americans are complete fools. America the best health carein the world. That is the funniest whopper I have ever heard.

 

[rightwinger]

U.S. Health Care Costs:*Background Brief

In 2007, U.S. health care spending was about $7,421 per resident and accounted for 16.2% of the nation’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP); this is among the highest of all industrialized countries.

All to provide a healthcare system ranked 37 in the world

With all the facts presented to you about WHO, you still insist on using it?
Sounds like you and the truth will never cross paths, leftwinger.

Show me a valid ranking from someone else. As usual, conservatives discard any study that doesn't match their agenda...

Smoking and cancer? Left wing nonsense
Global warming? Silly nonsense
US doesn't have a good healthcare system? Liberal ramblings

 

[Harry Dresden]

U.S. Health Care Costs:*Background Brief

In 2007, U.S. health care spending was about $7,421 per resident and accounted for 16.2% of the nation’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP); this is among the highest of all industrialized countries.

All to provide a healthcare system ranked 37 in the world

With all the facts presented to you about WHO, you still insist on using it?
Sounds like you and the truth will never cross paths, leftwinger.

Show me a valid ranking from someone else. As usual, conservatives discard any study that doesn't match their agenda...

Smoking and cancer? Left wing nonsense
Global warming? Silly nonsense
US doesn't have a good healthcare system? Liberal ramblings

hell i cant get you to answer the question i asked in the beginning of this thread Rw....if you had to have delicate surgery on your heart.....would you go to no 8 Oman to have it done cheaper or here in the US?.....