Good thing they're not in charge of Social Security

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  1. Luddly Neddite
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    Ina Drew, JPMorgan Chase CIO, Retires Amid Huge Trading Loss

    If the R's get their way, the average investor could lose every cent while the ultra wealthy hardly notice. Even though Drew is retiring in shame, this will not affect her lifestyle in any appreciable way.
     
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    how anyone can suggest privatizing SS in light of the performance of the private sector has displayed is amzing
     
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    Consider someone who has averaged a 50K/year salary for 40 years and has saved 10%. (about the current total contribution to Social Security)
    He would currently, using a conservative rate of return of 5%, have roughly $660,000 saved. He could withdraw $31,000/year and never touch the principal.
    Now look at the poor schlep who stayed in the government controlled plan. He will pull down a bit under $20K/year and have no principal to leave his heirs and no savings for an emergency.
    Sure, the market goes up and down, but the long term trend is always up.
     
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    This is ridiculous.
     
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    Because the performance - the performance, not the funding - of almost every single pension fund has been better than SS over long periods of time.

    Why?

    Because over long periods of time, stocks do better than bonds.

    $100 million invested in bonds earning 4% is $460 million after 50 years. $100 million invested in a balanced portfolio of stocks and bonds earning 8% is $4.6 billion in 50 years.

    You will do much, much better investing in stocks over the next 10, 20, 50 years than investing in government bonds, which is what SS does.
     
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    Many GOP are not for privatization of any part of SS.
     
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    SocSecurity is already broke, Obama admitted it in August
     
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    No, he did not. But your brain is broke, Frank.
     
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    Broke is when the government has to borrow to pay current obligations to SS, there are no assets in the Trust Fund to sell.

    That's how broke it is
     
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    It is so broke that all the government has to do, beginning right now, is deposit the SS taxes into the fund, and the problem is resolved.
     

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