Good Grief Occupy Wall Street Imbeciles Release 13 Demands Including “$20 Minimum Wa

[Avatar4321]

The point of the movement is to highlight the fact that so many Americans are disenfranchised and lack the opportunities for success.

A $7.00 an hour job is not an opportunity for success and no one should be happy about it. It is a return to the days of Serfs and Lords and we (the Surfs) are supposed to be happy for any scrap they let us have. This is the trickle-down effects we got from the tax breaks for the wealthy.

When you say that Americans are "disenfranchised"...what does that mean? As for opportunities for success? America has always been a place where people WENT because we had more opportunities for success than anywhere else. The government used to encourage businesses here...now it scapegoats them.

As for minimum wage jobs? What you don't seem to understand is that a $7.00 an hour job isn't supposed to be something you have for a lifetime. It's a beginning wage. You make it because you generally lack skills and need to be trained to do a job. As you prove yourself the idea is that you take on more responsibility and perform more difficult jobs and your pay increases in proportion. "Serfs and Lords"? Please, that's empty rhetoric that completely ignores what actually takes place in a free market economy.

Of course it completely ignores what actually takes place in the market. His policies make no sense if you apply reality to them.

 

[francoHFW]

"Why do we have a minimum wage if we are going to pay "illegals" less (slave labor?)?"

That's the Pub Banana Republic model we're trying to END. We're the only modern country with full time workers living in poverty without health care. Thanks Pubs!

Why do we need to be like everyone else? we are the United States of America. We are unique and leaders. Let's do things our way and not the way thats failing in the rest of the world.

Yup, let's ignore history and experts, repeal the 20th century, go with "common sense" and the A-holes that got us and the rest of the world in this mess, greedy "Deregulate and cut enforcement, corporations and bankers know what's best!" Yikes.

 

[Avatar4321]

"Why do we have a minimum wage if we are going to pay "illegals" less (slave labor?)?"

That's the Pub Banana Republic model we're trying to END. We're the only modern country with full time workers living in poverty without health care. Thanks Pubs!

Why do we need to be like everyone else? we are the United States of America. We are unique and leaders. Let's do things our way and not the way thats failing in the rest of the world.

Yup, let's ignore history and experts, repeal the 20th century, go with "common sense" and the A-holes that got us and the rest of the world in this mess, greedy "Deregulate and cut enforcement, corporations and bankers know what's best!" Yikes.

Who wants to ignore history? Im all for history. Thats why I know that a limited Federal Government is the way to go. Because history has been pretty darn clear that big government statism doesnt work.

 

[francoHFW]

Read "The Good Old Days- They WereTerrible!"...How did we survive before? A lot didn't!

 

[daveman]

i am finding this all quite amusing. The rights reaction to this is quite hypocritical

No, it's not.

 

[Avatar4321]

i am finding this all quite amusing. The rights reaction to this is quite hypocritical

No, it's not.

That's what Im thinking. This response looks completely consistant like we generally are.

 

[Jackson]

Capitalism works. Less regulation works as well. Those know nothings that are protesting wall street do need something. There should be a fund that Democrats can set up for them. It would be used for one way tickets to Greece. Their politics would fit in nicely.

 

[InDoctriNation]

All you have to do it let these moron speak! One bitch stated, we have reports of a Wall Street broker getting a $3 million bonus! Yet he got that bonus because he made his company $30 mil! Meaning he got 1% of what he earned his company! Why the hell shouldn't he keep it!

All you have to do is let these morons speak!

 

[Wacky Quacky]

The point of the movement is to highlight the fact that so many Americans are disenfranchised and lack the opportunities for success.

A $7.00 an hour job is not an opportunity for success and no one should be happy about it. It is a return to the days of Serfs and Lords and we (the Surfs) are supposed to be happy for any scrap they let us have. This is the trickle-down effects we got from the tax breaks for the wealthy.

Don't even start with that "no opportunities" bullshit. There is every opportunity for success in this country, but most people expect to have it given to them instead of working for it. Believe it or not that's what the american dream actually is. Not the perverse version that liberals like to spout about owning nice things. The american dream is that you can be as successful as you ever dreamed, BUY YOU WILL HAVE TO WORK HARD FOR IT!

OF COURSE that $7.00 an hour isn't an opportunity for success, it was never meant to be. It was meant to be a way for students to earn some cash while working towards a significantly better job. If anyone thinks that working at McDonald's for 10 years is recipe for success then they need their fucking head examined.

You get out of life what you put into life. If all you put into life is working at a dead-end minimum wage job, then all you'll get is a dead-end life. But if you put in the hard work and effort then success is yours for the taking.

 

[kiwiman127]

REAL WAGES: 1964-2004
Average Weekly Earnings (in 1982 constant dollars)
For all private nonfarm workers

1964- $302.52

1965- $310.46
1966- $312.83
1967- $311.30
1968- $315.37

1969- $316.93
1970- $312.94
1971- $318.05
1972- $331.59

1973- $331.39
1974- $314.94
1975- $305.16
1976- $309.61

1977- $310.99
1978- $310.41
1979- $298.87
1980- $281.77

1981- $277.35
1982- $272.74
1983- $277.50
1984- $279.22

1985- $276.23
1986- $276.11
1987- $272.88
1988- $270.32

1989- $267.27
1990- $262.43
1991- $258.34
1992- $257.95

1993- $258.12
1994- $259.97
1995- $258.43
1996- $259.58

1997- $265.22
1998- $271.87
1999- $274.64
2000- $275.62

2001- $275.38
2002- $278.91
2003- $279.94
2004- $277.57
Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Benefits:+Real+Wages+(1964-2004)

Current and real (constant 1982-1984 dollars) earnings for production and nonsupervisory
employees on private nonfarm payrolls, seasonally adjusted
August 2011- $292.48
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/realer.pdf

As one can see, wages haven't been near the high of $331.59 from 1972 and in the long run have decreased.
No wonder Main Street America is fed up. But, but we must cut taxes for the job creators even though they have held wages down and haven't created jobs since their big tax cuts in 2003. More jobs were ceated in the 90's when taxes were higher.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

REAL WAGES: 1964-2004
Average Weekly Earnings (in 1982 constant dollars)
For all private nonfarm workers

1964- $302.52

1965- $310.46
1966- $312.83
1967- $311.30
1968- $315.37

1969- $316.93
1970- $312.94
1971- $318.05
1972- $331.59

1973- $331.39
1974- $314.94
1975- $305.16
1976- $309.61

1977- $310.99
1978- $310.41
1979- $298.87
1980- $281.77

1981- $277.35
1982- $272.74
1983- $277.50
1984- $279.22

1985- $276.23
1986- $276.11
1987- $272.88
1988- $270.32

1989- $267.27
1990- $262.43
1991- $258.34
1992- $257.95

1993- $258.12
1994- $259.97
1995- $258.43
1996- $259.58

1997- $265.22
1998- $271.87
1999- $274.64
2000- $275.62

2001- $275.38
2002- $278.91
2003- $279.94
2004- $277.57
Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Benefits:+Real+Wages+(1964-2004)

Current and real (constant 1982-1984 dollars) earnings for production and nonsupervisory
employees on private nonfarm payrolls, seasonally adjusted
August 2011- $292.48
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/realer.pdf

As one can see, wages haven't been near the high of $331.59 from 1972 and in the long run have decreased.
No wonder Main Street America is fed up. But, but we must cut taxes for the job creators even though they have held wages down and haven't created jobs since their big tax cuts in 2003. More jobs were ceated in the 90's when taxes were higher.

That's not something you can force business owners to raise though. Forcibly raising the minimum to whatever some abstract "living wage" level is, would only accomplish three things:

1) More layoffs
2) Higher cost of goods and services
3) More small businesses going under

If we want people to get paid more then we have to address other problems.

1) Free-Trade Agreements
2) Tax breaks for businesses that outsource
3) A weak US dollar
4) China

 

[Truthseeker420]

Republicans can't stand anyone that stands up for working Americans.

 

[imbalance]

Leftists can't stand anyone who stands up for free will vs predetermined regiment.

 

[oreo]

REAL WAGES: 1964-2004
Average Weekly Earnings (in 1982 constant dollars)
For all private nonfarm workers

1964- $302.52

1965- $310.46
1966- $312.83
1967- $311.30
1968- $315.37

1969- $316.93
1970- $312.94
1971- $318.05
1972- $331.59

1973- $331.39
1974- $314.94
1975- $305.16
1976- $309.61

1977- $310.99
1978- $310.41
1979- $298.87
1980- $281.77

1981- $277.35
1982- $272.74
1983- $277.50
1984- $279.22

1985- $276.23
1986- $276.11
1987- $272.88
1988- $270.32

1989- $267.27
1990- $262.43
1991- $258.34
1992- $257.95

1993- $258.12
1994- $259.97
1995- $258.43
1996- $259.58

1997- $265.22
1998- $271.87
1999- $274.64
2000- $275.62

2001- $275.38
2002- $278.91
2003- $279.94
2004- $277.57
Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Benefits:+Real+Wages+(1964-2004)

Current and real (constant 1982-1984 dollars) earnings for production and nonsupervisory
employees on private nonfarm payrolls, seasonally adjusted
August 2011- $292.48
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/realer.pdf

As one can see, wages haven't been near the high of $331.59 from 1972 and in the long run have decreased.
No wonder Main Street America is fed up. But, but we must cut taxes for the job creators even though they have held wages down and haven't created jobs since their big tax cuts in 2003. More jobs were ceated in the 90's when taxes were higher.

I thought your 1st chart was a FARCE--it is--it doesn't exist--so your first chart is B.S. Average WEEKLY wage according to your second link is $775.00 PER week
--not $292.28.

Average weekly hours..................................................................... 34.2 34.3 34.3 34.2
Average weekly earnings................................................................. $775.31 $789.24 $793.02 $789.68

 

[Truthseeker420]

Leftists can't stand anyone who stands up for free will vs predetermined regiment.

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[Avatar4321]

Republicans can't stand anyone that stands up for working Americans.

When have these protesters, who have been protesting for 3 weeks, been to work?

Instead they are trying to disrupt people in wall street from working.

Who exactly is standing for working Americans here? The people protesting or the people working?

 

[francoHFW]

REAL WAGES: 1964-2004
Average Weekly Earnings (in 1982 constant dollars)
For all private nonfarm workers

1964- $302.52

1965- $310.46
1966- $312.83
1967- $311.30
1968- $315.37

1969- $316.93
1970- $312.94
1971- $318.05
1972- $331.59

1973- $331.39
1974- $314.94
1975- $305.16
1976- $309.61

1977- $310.99
1978- $310.41
1979- $298.87
1980- $281.77

1981- $277.35
1982- $272.74
1983- $277.50
1984- $279.22

1985- $276.23
1986- $276.11
1987- $272.88
1988- $270.32

1989- $267.27
1990- $262.43
1991- $258.34
1992- $257.95

1993- $258.12
1994- $259.97
1995- $258.43
1996- $259.58

1997- $265.22
1998- $271.87
1999- $274.64
2000- $275.62

2001- $275.38
2002- $278.91
2003- $279.94
2004- $277.57
Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Benefits:+Real+Wages+(1964-2004)

Current and real (constant 1982-1984 dollars) earnings for production and nonsupervisory
employees on private nonfarm payrolls, seasonally adjusted
August 2011- $292.48
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/realer.pdf

As one can see, wages haven't been near the high of $331.59 from 1972 and in the long run have decreased.
No wonder Main Street America is fed up. But, but we must cut taxes for the job creators even though they have held wages down and haven't created jobs since their big tax cuts in 2003. More jobs were ceated in the 90's when taxes were higher.

That's not something you can force business owners to raise though. Forcibly raising the minimum to whatever some abstract "living wage" level is, would only accomplish three things:

1) More layoffs
2) Higher cost of goods and services
3) More small businesses going under

If we want people to get paid more then we have to address other problems.

1) Free-Trade Agreements
2) Tax breaks for businesses that outsource
3) A weak US dollar
4) China

The usual Pub Piffle. ALL other modern countries have a living wage- over poverty level for full time workers, and health care. As I said Aussies have a $15 min wage, NZ 13, and I'd say we admire their countries. Are they commies like Europe? LOL!

 

[Truthseeker420]

Republicans can't stand anyone that stands up for working Americans.

When have these protesters, who have been protesting for 3 weeks, been to work?

Instead they are trying to disrupt people in wall street from working.

Who exactly is standing for working Americans here? The people protesting or the people working?

Probably victims of Reaganomics and the Republican economic crash of 2006. Anybody that doesn't work 24/7/365 is lazy right?

 

[syrenn]

okey dokey...
links in article at site.


SNIP:
Posted by Jim Hoft on Monday, October 3, 2011, 3:58 PM

These imbeciles are just as dumb as we thought. Occupy Wall Street protesters posted a proposed list of demands on their website today.
Thankfully, most American fifth graders aren’t this stupid.

A demonstrator dressed as a “corporate zombie” takes part in an Occupy Wall Street protest in lower Manhattan in New York October 3, 2011. The Occupy Wall Street protests moved into their third week on Monday with demonstrators camping out in Zuccotti Park. (REUTERS/Mike Segar)

From the Occupy Wall Street website, via Picket and Loesch:

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

read the rest with comments at..
Good Grief… Occupy Wall Street Imbeciles Release 13 Demands Including “$20 Minimum Wage” and “Across the Board Debt Forgiveness For All” | The Gateway Pundit

 

[kiwiman127]

REAL WAGES: 1964-2004
Average Weekly Earnings (in 1982 constant dollars)
For all private nonfarm workers

1964- $302.52

1965- $310.46
1966- $312.83
1967- $311.30
1968- $315.37

1969- $316.93
1970- $312.94
1971- $318.05
1972- $331.59

1973- $331.39
1974- $314.94
1975- $305.16
1976- $309.61

1977- $310.99
1978- $310.41
1979- $298.87
1980- $281.77

1981- $277.35
1982- $272.74
1983- $277.50
1984- $279.22

1985- $276.23
1986- $276.11
1987- $272.88
1988- $270.32

1989- $267.27
1990- $262.43
1991- $258.34
1992- $257.95

1993- $258.12
1994- $259.97
1995- $258.43
1996- $259.58

1997- $265.22
1998- $271.87
1999- $274.64
2000- $275.62

2001- $275.38
2002- $278.91
2003- $279.94
2004- $277.57
Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Benefits:+Real+Wages+(1964-2004)

Current and real (constant 1982-1984 dollars) earnings for production and nonsupervisory
employees on private nonfarm payrolls, seasonally adjusted
August 2011- $292.48
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/realer.pdf

As one can see, wages haven't been near the high of $331.59 from 1972 and in the long run have decreased.
No wonder Main Street America is fed up. But, but we must cut taxes for the job creators even though they have held wages down and haven't created jobs since their big tax cuts in 2003. More jobs were created in the 90's when taxes were higher.

I thought your 1st chart was a FARCE--it is--it doesn't exist--so your first chart is B.S. Average WEEKLY wage according to your second link is $775.00 PER week
--not $292.28.

Average weekly hours..................................................................... 34.2 34.3 34.3 34.2
Average weekly earnings................................................................. $775.31 $789.24 $793.02 $789.68

Obviously you don't understand the concept of constant dollars and Real Wages but the Wall Street Journal does.
Income Slides to 1996 Levels
"Earnings of the typical man who works full-time year round fell, and are lower—adjusted for inflation—than in 1978".
Household Income Falls, Poverty Rate Rises - WSJ.com
The Wage Chart I showed is from the Department of Labor that uses 1982 constant dollars adjusted for inflation. The 2011 figure is from the Department of Labor, again using 1982 constant dollars. It's the standard measuring methodology used by economist to measure wage growth.

Oh and the chart that was a FARCE, try this link.
Wages and Benefits: Real Wages (1964-2004) - Working Life

Also the table that you need to look atwith my second link is Table A-2. Current and real (constant 1982-1984 dollars) earnings for production and nonsupervisory
employees on private nonfarm payrolls, seasonally adjusted

Real average weekly earnings (line 2) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $299.57 $295.72 $294.88 $292.48