God is in Control?

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    How come it is... when good things happen to Christians they say "It's because God is In Control!" - as if he directly caused that good thing to happen.... However... when bad things happen they'd never say God directed it to happen - instead they allege that "God Allowed it to happen" ..

    I'm sorry, but I don't think you can have it both ways..

    Either God is in complete control of everything - good or bad - or he isn't and he's allowing things in this world to happen...
     
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    So which way do you think it is? Is God a tyrannt or does He passively watch the world?
     
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    God is an active God and actively controls the world. However, God also gave us free will and there are consequences for every action, and while God sometimes intervenes on our behalf, part of free will is suffering your own consequences.

    I once heard a minister talking about a horrible bus wreck he was in that put the preacher of what was then his ministry group in a month-long coma. It was a year before they were all healed up. When asked, "Why do you think God let that wreck happen?" he replies, "Because our driver fell asleep."
     
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    And what happens when you're an innocent bystander?
     
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    Exactly. If there is a God, He has much to answer for.
     
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    Why is it HIS fault?
     
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    Some people would say that it was God's choice to bring that innocent bystander to Heaven; that perhaps he wasn't such an innocent bystander in the first place.

    And those same people would say that life in Heaven is much better than life on Earth so therefore, they want their time to come.
     
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    Why is it His fault He created a world containing such things as smallpox bacilla, (which have been eradicated solely by human effort) just to mention one scourge of hundreds, which have killed and mutilated hundreds of millions of innocent people?

    If He is omnipotent and omnicient, HOW could it NOT be His fault?

    And even if He is not omnipotent and omnicient, He should have the power to do something, yet He does nothing.
     
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    Well, depends if you believe the Creation story; then the world & everything in it was perfect.
    When sin entered the world EVERYTHING changed. The world was set on a particular course. One which God HAS to let play out. He made provisions by allowing His Son to attone for sin.
     
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    Joz, how does the perfection of the world before sin fit in with the first wife, or Lilith story (I think it is in the Torah). Because Lilith was before Eve and therefore before original sin.
     

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