God is a King. Fear Him.

[Dajjal]

For sure, God is not abusive. But only those who reach His closeness can bear witness to His generosity, and His generosity knows no limits. But others don't and will not in the future life know about this. God does not give just like that. It comes with due striving and diligence.

You sure seem to know all about God. You want to teach us but you have picked the worst, false prophet in history as your greatest man. To me there is no doubt Muhammad was a liar and a bandit.
See my thread 'spiritual teachings' for alternative roads to God, including Buddhism which does not mention God, but in my view is a truly spiritual way of life.

 

[LOki]

God (who by the way is above any form of humanness) is a King. He is the King. If you dare come against His dignity, you will be destroyed. It's not that He cares to have you destroyed; He does not care for it in the least. But since you came against the dignity of the King, then you must be destroyed.

Your God is also a petty, vain, sadistic, bloodthirsty God; your God is the God of human suffering and misery.

He is also imaginary.

Hence, so is His threat of destruction.

If He were real, your God would have no need for his faithful to execute his divine destruction for Him.

All your God amounts to, is a retarded rationalization for the faithful to inflict their nihilistic predilections upon others.

 

[RandomVariable]

More Succession conflict the death of Ali and the Sunni-Shia Divide

Finally, the arbiters decided that Ali was the usurper of power. But arbitration no longer mattered. Ali had lost too much support. The defeated sect called the Seceders had turned to terrorism and had decided to rid Islam of Ali, Mu'awiyah and Amr. They killed Amr's deputy instead of Amr, only slightly wounded Mu'awiyah as he prayed in the mosque at Damascus, but they gravely wounded Ali as he was entering the mosque at Kufa, and in January, 661, Ali died of his injuries.

A few poets had ridiculed Ali for having been fat and unwieldy in figure, but many Muslims remembered him for his eloquence as an orator, his bravery and his morality, including his opposition to the growing luxury and corruption of his time. Ali left behind many admirers and followers. Believing in dynastic rule by the Hashimite family, Ali's supporters recognized Ali's son as his successor, and they became that branch of Islam known as Shia.
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Also from that source:

While annoying some with his nepotism, Uthman annoyed more of his countrymen by his move to collect Muhammad's messages into a standard work – the Koran. Uthman appointed a committee, which collected what they could of Muhammad’s teachings. Uthman ordered the destruction of rival collections that differed in any way from his committee’s work, and this brought upon him the wrath of various people and communities across Arabia who had become wedded to rival interpretations. Many argued that Uthman did not have the authority to establish an official version of Muhammad's teachings, and one of Muhammad's oldest companions charged that the version produced by Uthman’s committee was false and incomplete.​

 

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Ali biography - Muslim caliph Ali and Islam to the death of Muhammad Encyclopedia Britannica

ʿAlī was 22 or 23 years old when he migrated to Medina. Shortly after his arrival, the Prophet told ʿAlī that he (the Prophet) had been ordered by God to give his daughter Fāṭimah to ʿAlī in marriage. This union affected the entire history of Islam, for from it were born a daughter, Zaynab—who played a major role during the Umayyad period in claiming the rights of the family of the Prophet after her brother Ḥusayn was killed in Iraq—and two sons, Ḥasan and Ḥusayn. The latter two are the ancestors of those known as sharīf or sayyid (meaning “noble” and “master” respectively)—that is, descendants of the Prophet and thus, in the eyes of many pious Muslims, legitimate heirs to leadership of the Islamic community. Ḥasan and Ḥusayn also became the second and third Imams of Shīʿism (respectively) after ʿAlī. Although polygyny was permitted, ʿAlī did not marry another woman while Fāṭimah was alive, and his marriage to her possesses a special spiritual significance for all Muslims because it is seen as the marriage between the greatest saintly figures surrounding the Prophet. The Prophet, who visited his daughter nearly every day, became even closer to ʿAlī, once telling him, “You are my brother in this world and the Hereafter.” After Fāṭimah’s death, ʿAlī married other wives and fathered many other children.​

 

[RandomVariable]

If you insult a president or a king, you will be jailed and punished more or less severely; depending on the nature of the insult. It does not mean the king is not forgiving, it does not mean that he is cruel or a tyrant. He may be very forgiving and generous, but you will still be jailed; because you came against the dignity of the king. You can be very severely punished, and no one in the country will object to it; on the contrary they will agree and ask for an even greater punishment.

God (who by the way is above any form of humanness) is a King. He is the King. If you dare come against His dignity, you will be destroyed. It's not that He cares to have you destroyed; He does not care for it in the least. But since you came against the dignity of the King, then you must be destroyed.

Hence, in Islam, the lowest punishment of an inmate of Hell will be two shoes of fire which he will wear, and on account of which his brains will boil. He will think that none will have been given a greater punishment.

There is no such thing as a lake of fire. There are among others, fires in columns outstretched. Hell is so deep that if you throw a rock from the top, it will keep falling for 70 years without reaching the bottom. That Hell will be filled to its full capacity. Fear God.

Admit defeat and repent.

 

[Muslim75]

If you insult a president or a king, you will be jailed and punished more or less severely; depending on the nature of the insult. It does not mean the king is not forgiving, it does not mean that he is cruel or a tyrant. He may be very forgiving and generous, but you will still be jailed; because you came against the dignity of the king. You can be very severely punished, and no one in the country will object to it; on the contrary they will agree and ask for an even greater punishment.

God (who by the way is above any form of humanness) is a King. He is the King. If you dare come against His dignity, you will be destroyed. It's not that He cares to have you destroyed; He does not care for it in the least. But since you came against the dignity of the King, then you must be destroyed.

Hence, in Islam, the lowest punishment of an inmate of Hell will be two shoes of fire which he will wear, and on account of which his brains will boil. He will think that none will have been given a greater punishment.

There is no such thing as a lake of fire. There are among others, fires in columns outstretched. Hell is so deep that if you throw a rock from the top, it will keep falling for 70 years without reaching the bottom. That Hell will be filled to its full capacity. Fear God.

The Universe that you see was created by God. This gigantic universe was created by God alone, without any help, He owns it. God is, by the way above any form of humanness.

He allows you to see a good deal of the universe through your eye, your tiny eye. When you look up to the sky, what you are seeing with your tiny little eye is actually quite a lot, a huge part. All this God makes you to see it through your tiny little eye.

Yet as much as you see, you have not seen anything of the universe, only a tiny portion of it. There is a limit to your eye, the horizon. The one who owns this gigantic huge universe is a great mighty king, indeed. No king just forgives, as if His majesty is little. God is forgiving and loving, but He is also a Mighty King, the King of the Universe, and that is His main attribute, not His forgiveness.

God is the King of the universe. Lordship over the universe belogs to God; as the Qur'an says:

"The revelation of the Book is from Allah (God), the Mighty, the Wise"

The Believer, (Surah 40), V 1

 

[there4eyeM]

Aren't love and forgiveness human traits? Wouldn't they be a limit on God, the Unlimitable?

There would be a lot less violence about belief if people simply thought through what the nature of God would have to be.

 

[Muslim75]

If you insult a president or a king, you will be jailed and punished more or less severely; depending on the nature of the insult. It does not mean the king is not forgiving, it does not mean that he is cruel or a tyrant. He may be very forgiving and generous, but you will still be jailed; because you came against the dignity of the king. You can be very severely punished, and no one in the country will object to it; on the contrary they will agree and ask for an even greater punishment.

God (who by the way is above any form of humanness) is a King. He is the King. If you dare come against His dignity, you will be destroyed. It's not that He cares to have you destroyed; He does not care for it in the least. But since you came against the dignity of the King, then you must be destroyed.

Hence, in Islam, the lowest punishment of an inmate of Hell will be two shoes of fire which he will wear, and on account of which his brains will boil. He will think that none will have been given a greater punishment.

There is no such thing as a lake of fire. There are among others, fires in columns outstretched. Hell is so deep that if you throw a rock from the top, it will keep falling for 70 years without reaching the bottom. That Hell will be filled to its full capacity. Fear God.

The Universe that you see was created by God. This gigantic universe was created by God alone, without any help, He owns it. God is, by the way above any form of humanness.

He allows you to see a good deal of the universe through your eye, your tiny eye. When you look up to the sky, what you are seeing with your tiny little eye is actually quite a lot, a huge part. All this God makes you to see it through your tiny little eye.

Yet as much as you see, you have not seen anything of the universe, only a tiny portion of it. There is a limit to your eye, the horizon. The one who owns this gigantic huge universe is a great mighty king, indeed. No king just forgives, as if His majesty is little. God is forgiving and loving, but He is also a Mighty King, the King of the Universe, and that is His main attribute, not His forgiveness.

God is the King of the universe. Lordship over the universe belogs to God; as the Qur'an says:

"The revelation of the Book is from Allah (God), the Mighty, the Wise"

The Believer, (Surah 40), V 1

So Fear God. You don't want to know what happens if you don't (and I don't mean only Hell).

By the way, saying "God forgives" only means "God punishes". For instance, someone who can punish you with might; it makes sense to talk about his propensity to forgive. Someone who can not punish you, it makes no sense to talk about his ability to forgive.

In Islam we are taught to often repeat the phrase "Astaghfirullah" (I seek forgiveness of God) because the more you say it, the more you acquire some fear of God inside your heart. If you don't fear God, you are basically dead. That's not life.

 

[rdean]

God created mankind so he would have someone to be scared of him? That's right wing thinking. There are other ways to feel than to be scared.

 

[BULLDOG]

Jeremiah,

You are defaming Islam and its leaders. That is not discussion, it is a declaration of war. Muslims who are not as patient as the real good Muslims come against people like you with great violence, though they are wrong to retaliate. In any case, stop insulting Islam and its people.

So you are saying that Muslims who retaliate for what they see as an insult are disobeying Mohammad's teachings? Which would you say was more deserving of punishment, Someone who claims to follow Islam, but intentionally disobeys the rules, or someone who doesn't know anything about it disobeying rules that he doesn't know exist?

 

[there4eyeM]

Jeremiah,

You are defaming Islam and its leaders. That is not discussion, it is a declaration of war. Muslims who are not as patient as the real good Muslims come against people like you with great violence, though they are wrong to retaliate. In any case, stop insulting Islam and its people.

So you are saying that Muslims who retaliate for what they see as an insult are disobeying Mohammad's teachings? Which would you say was more deserving of punishment, Someone who claims to follow Islam, but intentionally disobeys the rules, or someone who doesn't know anything about it disobeying rules that he doesn't know exist?

This would be to assume he knows what he is saying.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

If you insult a president or a king, you will be jailed and punished more or less severely; depending on the nature of the insult. It does not mean the king is not forgiving, it does not mean that he is cruel or a tyrant. He may be very forgiving and generous, but you will still be jailed; because you came against the dignity of the king. You can be very severely punished, and no one in the country will object to it; on the contrary they will agree and ask for an even greater punishment.

God (who by the way is above any form of humanness) is a King. He is the King. If you dare come against His dignity, you will be destroyed. It's not that He cares to have you destroyed; He does not care for it in the least. But since you came against the dignity of the King, then you must be destroyed.

Hence, in Islam, the lowest punishment of an inmate of Hell will be two shoes of fire which he will wear, and on account of which his brains will boil. He will think that none will have been given a greater punishment.

There is no such thing as a lake of fire. There are among others, fires in columns outstretched. Hell is so deep that if you throw a rock from the top, it will keep falling for 70 years without reaching the bottom. That Hell will be filled to its full capacity. Fear God.

If you fell for 70 years in an atmosphere (since there are fires which require oxygen,) a rock would reach a terminal velocity of about 200mph.

200 miles fallen in just 1 hour.
2,000 miles fallen in 10 hours.
20,000 miles fallen in 100 hours (about 4 days.)

Round up to 5 days fallen and about 25,000 miles and you've already exceed the thickness of the planet. So where exactly is Hell that there's oxygen (and gravity that things can fall in the first place?)

 

[RandomVariable]

If you insult a president or a king, you will be jailed and punished more or less severely; depending on the nature of the insult. It does not mean the king is not forgiving, it does not mean that he is cruel or a tyrant. He may be very forgiving and generous, but you will still be jailed; because you came against the dignity of the king. You can be very severely punished, and no one in the country will object to it; on the contrary they will agree and ask for an even greater punishment.

God (who by the way is above any form of humanness) is a King. He is the King. If you dare come against His dignity, you will be destroyed. It's not that He cares to have you destroyed; He does not care for it in the least. But since you came against the dignity of the King, then you must be destroyed.

Hence, in Islam, the lowest punishment of an inmate of Hell will be two shoes of fire which he will wear, and on account of which his brains will boil. He will think that none will have been given a greater punishment.

There is no such thing as a lake of fire. There are among others, fires in columns outstretched. Hell is so deep that if you throw a rock from the top, it will keep falling for 70 years without reaching the bottom. That Hell will be filled to its full capacity. Fear God.

The Universe that you see was created by God. This gigantic universe was created by God alone, without any help, He owns it. God is, by the way above any form of humanness.

He allows you to see a good deal of the universe through your eye, your tiny eye. When you look up to the sky, what you are seeing with your tiny little eye is actually quite a lot, a huge part. All this God makes you to see it through your tiny little eye.

Yet as much as you see, you have not seen anything of the universe, only a tiny portion of it. There is a limit to your eye, the horizon. The one who owns this gigantic huge universe is a great mighty king, indeed. No king just forgives, as if His majesty is little. God is forgiving and loving, but He is also a Mighty King, the King of the Universe, and that is His main attribute, not His forgiveness.

God is the King of the universe. Lordship over the universe belogs to God; as the Qur'an says:

"The revelation of the Book is from Allah (God), the Mighty, the Wise"

The Believer, (Surah 40), V 1

Job 9

10Which doeth great things past finding out; yea, and wonders without number.

11Lo, he goeth by me, and I see him not: he passeth on also, but I perceive him not.

12Behold, he taketh away, who can hinder him? who will say unto him, What doest thou?
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Job 12

7But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:

8Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.​

 

[RandomVariable]

If you insult a president or a king, you will be jailed and punished more or less severely; depending on the nature of the insult. It does not mean the king is not forgiving, it does not mean that he is cruel or a tyrant. He may be very forgiving and generous, but you will still be jailed; because you came against the dignity of the king. You can be very severely punished, and no one in the country will object to it; on the contrary they will agree and ask for an even greater punishment.

God (who by the way is above any form of humanness) is a King. He is the King. If you dare come against His dignity, you will be destroyed. It's not that He cares to have you destroyed; He does not care for it in the least. But since you came against the dignity of the King, then you must be destroyed.

Hence, in Islam, the lowest punishment of an inmate of Hell will be two shoes of fire which he will wear, and on account of which his brains will boil. He will think that none will have been given a greater punishment.

There is no such thing as a lake of fire. There are among others, fires in columns outstretched. Hell is so deep that if you throw a rock from the top, it will keep falling for 70 years without reaching the bottom. That Hell will be filled to its full capacity. Fear God.

The Universe that you see was created by God. This gigantic universe was created by God alone, without any help, He owns it. God is, by the way above any form of humanness.

He allows you to see a good deal of the universe through your eye, your tiny eye. When you look up to the sky, what you are seeing with your tiny little eye is actually quite a lot, a huge part. All this God makes you to see it through your tiny little eye.

Yet as much as you see, you have not seen anything of the universe, only a tiny portion of it. There is a limit to your eye, the horizon. The one who owns this gigantic huge universe is a great mighty king, indeed. No king just forgives, as if His majesty is little. God is forgiving and loving, but He is also a Mighty King, the King of the Universe, and that is His main attribute, not His forgiveness.

God is the King of the universe. Lordship over the universe belogs to God; as the Qur'an says:

"The revelation of the Book is from Allah (God), the Mighty, the Wise"

The Believer, (Surah 40), V 1

So Fear God. You don't want to know what happens if you don't (and I don't mean only Hell).

By the way, saying "God forgives" only means "God punishes". For instance, someone who can punish you with might; it makes sense to talk about his propensity to forgive. Someone who can not punish you, it makes no sense to talk about his ability to forgive.

In Islam we are taught to often repeat the phrase "Astaghfirullah" (I seek forgiveness of God) because the more you say it, the more you acquire some fear of God inside your heart. If you don't fear God, you are basically dead. That's not life.

Genesis 1

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. http://biblehub.com/genesis/1-31.htm
31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.​

 

[Muslim75]

I wanted to remind people of this thread and its topic.

In countries where there is a king, Thailand, Norway, Denmark, Holland, Spain, the United Kingdom, Belgium, etc...one does not go about easy with the king. One is very careful, and the king is loved. One is very careful because he knows some things are very serious. About the king, you don't take things lightly. Such is the case with God, the Creator.

God is a king, God is the King. No king of the world comes close to Him in term of majesty. The first thing to do in life is to fear God. If you do not, He will destroy you; in both lives.

 

[there4eyeM]

Vanity.

 

[Dajjal]

God is a king, God is the King. No king of the world comes close to Him in term of majesty. The first thing to do in life is to fear God. If you do not, He will destroy you; in both lives.

You can fear your rotten God all you like, and with good reason. The God of the Quran is a merciless monster.
See the Quran verses 22.19 to 22.22 for an example of the eternal tortures of hellfire Muhammad promises to unbelievers. There has never been such an evil in the world as to frighten people with horrors from God that are all lies.


22.19 These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water.
22.20 With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins.
22.21 In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them.
22.22 Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"


4.56 Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for God is Exalted in Power, Wise.

 

[RandomVariable]

I wanted to remind people of this thread and its topic.

In countries where there is a king, Thailand, Norway, Denmark, Holland, Spain, the United Kingdom, Belgium, etc...one does not go about easy with the king. One is very careful, and the king is loved. One is very careful because he knows some things are very serious. About the king, you don't take things lightly. Such is the case with God, the Creator.

God is a king, God is the King. No king of the world comes close to Him in term of majesty. The first thing to do in life is to fear God. If you do not, He will destroy you; in both lives.

Sounds more like the rants of an angry, fallen prince than the words of a wise king.