Global warming? Snow advisory in Hawaii

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    5 foot snow drifts!!! LOVE IT!

    URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
    NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HONOLULU HI
    335 PM HST FRI APR 10 2009

    ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR BIG ISLAND SUMMITS...

    .A PERSISTENT UPPER TROUGH NEAR KAUAI WILL SEND BANDS OF MID- AND
    HIGH-LEVEL MOISTURE OVER THE BIG ISLAND TONIGHT AND SATURDAY...
    BRINGING PERIODS OF SNOW TO THE SUMMITS AND UPPER ELEVATIONS OF
    THE BIG ISLAND.

    HIZ028-111445-
    /O.EXT.PHFO.WW.Y.0008.000000T0000Z-090412T0400Z/
    BIG ISLAND SUMMITS-
    INCLUDING...MAUNA LOA AND MAUNA KEA ABOVE 8000 FEET
    335 PM HST FRI APR 10 2009

    ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY NOW IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM HST
    SATURDAY...

    THE ROAD TO THE BIG ISLAND SUMMITS REMAINS CLOSED TO THE
    PUBLIC...WITH PARK RANGERS REPORTING SNOW DRIFTS AS HIGH AS 5
    FEET. PERIODS OF SNOW AND RAIN WILL CONTINUE THROUGH SATURDAY...
    AND THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY HAS BEEN EXTENDED.

    PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

    A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW...SLEET...OR
    FREEZING RAIN WILL CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR
    SLIPPERY ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE
    DRIVING.
     
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    yeah, it should have been called "climate change" so people couldn't think a snow storm means it doesn't exist.
     
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    Global warming doesn't exist.

    A snowstorm, in an island near the equator in the Spring.

    But hey, don't believe me. You could look at the global temperatures being below average for the past 3 years, SST's being below average, huge spring storms (which means there's a lot of cold air to work with) in the US.. you know, all of that.
     
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    Currently global cooling prevails. If the AGW crowd waits about 15 years they will be right again for a short while.
     
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    Must be all those damn SUV's on the island.
     
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    Now, you just quit picking on Prissy and ConcreteCranium!

    You may be old and feeble some day.
     
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    ARe you unaware the those peaks get snow occassionally?

    Above 8000 feet?

    Hello?
     
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    Is this where you get your "global cooling" data?

    It's official: New global cooling trend caused by Somalia pirates! | the Beijinger Forum | Environmental Issues | Jan 11, 2009 | thebeijinger.com


    If you open your ignorant mouth without thinking you sound like a stupid shit, what a fool!

    There's a ski area on Hawaii, it snows all the time on the big island.

    Hawaii Ski Club



    I'll try to keep this basic so you can keep up; when the temperature increases, more water evaporates into the atmosphere which will fall as rain or snow depending on temperature and elevation.

    There are four key elements of weather including temperature, moisture, pressure and wind. Temperature refers to how the Sun rays warm up our atmosphere. In the winter the angle of the Earth is tilted away from the Sun. During the summer the Earth is titled toward the Sun, making the rays of Sun more powerful to heat the atmosphere. Moisture would include rain, snow, hail, and dew. Air pressure can either be low pressure or high pressure. Low or light pressure usually signals rainy weather while high or heavy air signals sunny weather. Wind is created when different air pressures are near each other. This creates a movement of low pressure moves to high pressure.

    Exploring What makes Weather
     
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    So, you were being sarcastic?
     
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    Actually, you little putz, I do understand climate. Thanks for your neg rep. The Earth has cooled over the past couple of years due to a strong La Nina.

    History and understanding of ENSO

    For several decades, it has been globally known by scientists and forecasters that a phenomenon referred to as ENSO (El Nino-Southern Oscillation) plays a major role in the Earth's weather patterns. This phenomenon has been linked to major precipitation swings in South America, North America, Africa, Australia, and southern Asia. The same is true with extreme temperature trends all over the Earth. Other than a major volcanic eruption, or something extraterrestrial impacting the Earth, the ENSO phenomenon is the most global-impacting event known to man.

    Over the years, many studies have been done in an attempt to better identify and forecast ENSO events. With all the research that has been done on the subject, scientists have reached a unified consensus as to what the ENSO event is, and what causes it.

    First identified in 1923 by Sir Gilbert Thomas Walker, the El Nino-Southern Oscillation is an ocean-atmosphere phenomenon. El Nino and La Nina are defined as temperature fluctuations in surface waters of the Tropical Pacific Ocean. The name El Nino, comes from the Spanish word for "the little boy", refers to the Christ child, because the phenomenon is usually noticed around Christmas time in the Pacific Ocean. An El Nino is identified when the Tropical Pacific develops a large region of warmer than average surface water. La Nina refers to "the little girl", which is essentially opposite to El Nino. This is identified when the Tropical Pacific develops a large region of colder than average surface water.

    A visual showing the difference between classic El Nino and La Nina signatures is shown below.

    [​IMG]

    Identifying an El Nino or La Nina

    El Nino and La Nina events are officially defined as "sustained sea surface temperature anomalies of magnitude greater than +0.5°C across the central tropical Pacific Ocean (longitude 170W - 118W; latitude 5S - 5N)". When this condition is met for a period of five or more consecutive months, it is classified as an El Nino or La Nina episode.

    Identifying oncoming ENSO events months before the event is declared official is usually done using the steps listed below:



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    Ocean Surface Topography from Space-Science

    You want proof we've been in a La Nina? Here's your proof you fucking moron:

    The last El Nino we were in was 2004-2005.

    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]SCIENCE - El Niño/La Niña & PDO

    [/FONT] Latest El Niño/La Niña Jason Data
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]10/31/2004[/FONT] [​IMG] [​IMG] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Pacific Data[/FONT] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Global Data[/FONT]
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL] What are we looking at? [/FONT]
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL] These images show sea surface height anomalies with the seasonal cycle (the effects of summer, fall, winter, and spring) removed. The differences between what we see and what is normal for different times and regions are called anomalies, or residuals. When oceanographers and climatologists view these "anomalies" they can identify unusual patterns and can tell us how heat is being stored in the ocean to influence future planetary climate events. Each image is a 10-day average of data, centered on the date indicated.
    [/FONT]


    More El Nino pictures:


    [​IMG] [​IMG] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL] SCIENCE - El Niño/La Niña & PDO

    [/FONT] Latest El Niño/La Niña Jason Data
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]12/27/2004[/FONT] [​IMG] [​IMG]


    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Now here my friend, is a La Nina developing in 2007:[/FONT]


    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL] SCIENCE - El Niño/La Niña & PDO

    [/FONT]
    Latest El Niño/La Niña Jason Data
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]12/09/2007[/FONT] [​IMG] [​IMG] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Pacific Data[/FONT] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Global Data[/FONT]
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]See the difference?[/FONT]


    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]El Nino - Warm[/FONT]
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]La Nina - Cold[/FONT]


    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]We've been in a La Nina pattern since 2007.[/FONT]


    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]
    [/FONT][FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]02/01/2009[/FONT] [​IMG] [​IMG] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Pacific Data[/FONT] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Global Data[/FONT]
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL] << BACK

    [/FONT][FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]01/14/2009[/FONT] [​IMG] [​IMG] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Pacific Data[/FONT] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Global Data[/FONT]
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL] << BACK [/FONT]



    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]1/30/2008[/FONT] [​IMG] [​IMG] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Pacific Data[/FONT] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Global Data[/FONT]
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL] << BACK

    [/FONT][FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]11/15/2008[/FONT] [​IMG] [​IMG] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Pacific Data[/FONT] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Global Data[/FONT]
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL] << BACK

    [/FONT][FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]10/31/2008[/FONT] [​IMG] [​IMG] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Pacific Data[/FONT] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Global Data[/FONT]
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL] << BACK

    [/FONT][FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]10/16/2008[/FONT] [​IMG] [​IMG] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Pacific Data[/FONT] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Global Data[/FONT]
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL] << BACK

    [/FONT]Latest El Niño/La Niña Jason Data
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]10/01/2008[/FONT] [​IMG] [​IMG] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Pacific Data[/FONT] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]Global Data[/FONT]
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL] << BACK [/FONT]










    Latest El Niño/La Niña Jason Data
    [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]LATEST IMAGES - 03/18/2009[/FONT] [​IMG] [​IMG] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]03/03/2009[/FONT] [​IMG] [​IMG] [FONT=VERDANA,HELVETICA,ARIAL]02/16/2009[/FONT] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    These are the latest images from the OSTM/Jason-2 satellite. Jason-2 continues providing the uninterrupted time-series that originated with TOPEX/Poseidon. Jason is using radar altimetry to collect sea surface height data of all the world's oceans. These images are processed to highlight the interannual signal of sea surface height. The mean signal, seasonal signal, and the trend have been removed.

    Many forecasters are now predicting an El Nino to begin developing:


    Most of the above information was posted by a gentleman by the name HM. He posts regularly on Meteorological boards and has taught me everything I know.

     
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