Global Warmers Stopped by Arctic Ice

[Old Rocks]

The "ice free" polar circle has no land. We have limited current data on mix of land and water (Arctic), but clearly as the Arctic Ocean grows, the sea ice will shrink. Another major factor is that, when the Arctic Ocean expands, it releases magma from the floor dramatically melting sea ice on the surface. The 2005 and 2007 Arctic Sea Ice melts were just directly over Gakkel Ridge, the Arctic "coming in" fault. The sea ice by North American through Greenland's west coast is still the same - all the melt is on the other side - Alaska through the east coast of Greenland.

The present changes that we are seeing are happening on a decadal scale. The changes you are talking about happen on a million year scale. The present warming has absolutely nothing to do with tectonics. If it did, you would be seeing articles on it in the scientific journals that deal with geology.

 

[RollingThunder]

The Gore Effect Strikes Again

A group of adventurers, sailors, pilots and climate scientists that recently started a journey around the North Pole in an effort to show the lack of ice, has been blocked from further travels by ice.

A bald faced lie from a denier cult fraudulent propaganda outlet.

The Polar Ocean Challenge is taking a two month journey that will see them go from Bristol, Alaska, to Norway, then to Russia through the North East passage, back to Alaska through the North West passage, to Greenland and then ultimately back to Bristol. Their objective, as laid out by their website, was to demonstrate “that the Arctic sea ice coverage shrinks back so far now in the summer months that sea that was permanently locked up now can allow passage through.”

There has been one small hiccup thus-far though: they are currently stuck in Murmansk, Russia because there is too much ice blocking the North East passage the team said didn’t exist in summer months, according to Real Climate Science.

The Route
The boat will leave Bristol where is is currently moored in July. It will sail up the West side of the UK over to Norway and then Northern Russia. travel along the North of the USSR and through the North East passage. One of the areas of sea that has been previously frozen all year but is melted enough to pass in the summer.

They arrived in Murmansk around the middle of July and had to deal with "red tape" for a few days. The ship has now departed Murmansk and is many miles out in the ocean.....as their real time GPS position reporting system clearly shows.
Tracking the Boat

From their website:

THIS MORNING 20TH JULY WE LEAVE MURMANSK TODAY
09.06 UTC 12.06 Local time.
Morning! So the plan is to leave today… the weather is lovely and everything is stowed.

Last night I went to a small да́ча dacha (Russian second home), outside Murmansk and met friends of Nikolay. They worked on the ice breakers so we’re keen to pass on help and information. What is the common theme here is what ever the ice maps show it can all change quickly if we get a southerly wind for a couple of days blowing the pack ice off Shore.

So welcome home sea sickness no change of clothes, wet watches. Sleeping in a tumble drier and the smell of adventure

Hoooola shakerrrr David

Yeah -- The Russians didn't want them either.. So they lent them an icebreaker to get them out of town !!!

Its rather amazing (and funny) the Russians had to let them use an ice breaker to escape from nonexistent ice....

LOLOLOLOLOL......You denier cult dingbats are so stupid! You just make shit up. Nobody ever said that the ship was being helped by an "icebreaker". It isn't. Nor is the ship unable to proceed because of your imaginary ice. The ship left Murmansk on July 20th and is many miles out to sea.

TODAY’S SHIPS LOG 0700 UTC 21TH JULY
We are now on the NE Passage Woooohoooo!
0700 UTC 21st JULY
N69 57 E 035 37, PRESSURE 1019mb, water temp 14c, sky 4/8, batt 13.7, 019m, speed over ground 6.1k

David Hempleman Adams writes…

Well, after a hive of activity, left Murmansk. We were all ready to leave Murmansk. We have all have had our own experiences here. Its started dull and rainy then became warm and sunny over our time here. Like the people, you could say that the people, were a bit like the buildings, dull seeming at first, but once you got past the exterior, they were warm, very friendly, kind and with that lovely northern attitude.

So, our journey begins. Its been never a dull moment with the red tape, and it continues, I am so pleased we have friends in Moscow. Nikolai was on the radio to the equivalent of port authority or coast guard, we didn’t have pilot boat allocated to us, but they kept an eye on us with radar, as we passed the rusting ice breakers of yesteryear; what tales they could tell.

Down the river further and past the navy frigates. A massive base, that we stayed well clear off. The fjord was as flat as a mirror. Beautiful scenery, not dissimilar to Norway.

Then into the Barents sea. a slight swell, and a change in the colour of the sea to deep blue. The sun was still high and warm and Babs and Constance did a mean pasta with Bolognese sauce. Ros has thought of everything, and we must be the best equipped sailing vessel to leave these waters. we had three types of cheese to go with our pasta !

My watch is 8 to 12. first two hours with Ben and second 2 hours with Babs. Slowly going north east my son, where the sun sets. Except the sun at the moment is still in the sky and not setting, and the moon was high and full. it looked fantastic.

And then our first sighting of a whale. No idea what type, but definitely a whale and not a submarine !

And then I went to bed after a long, long day. It was too hot to sleep down below, and too many things going on in my head, but we are now on the North East Passage. Woooohooooo.

A lot of people from all skills and experiences have helped us get to this point WE all thank you.

Hempie

 

[jc456]

B

Even if the ice is "melting" how can you eliminate variables like aldebo (soot from China -- its a filthy polluter, remember?)

I can eliminate it because you'd have to be an imbecile to include it.

China is not near the poles.

Winds blow from the west, primarily. Hence, soot doesn't go far north.

The Greenland ice sheet and some other glaciers, being further south, do get affected by soot. That's well-studied.

More southerly sea ice melts out completely each year, hence soot can't build up on it.

Sea ice in the high arctic is too far north to get much soot. And it partially melts out each year, and gets rolled over a lot, which removes any soot that could build up.

Not being imbeciles, scientists have also figured this out.

The magnetic stuff you babbled about was even dumber.

Boat gets stuck in ice not supposed to be there and you still post ice lost. Holy fk

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Even if the ice is "melting" how can you eliminate variables like aldebo (soot from China -- its a filthy polluter, remember?)

I can eliminate it because you'd have to be an imbecile to include it.

China is not near the poles.

Winds blow from the west, primarily. Hence, soot doesn't go far north.

The Greenland ice sheet and some other glaciers, being further south, do get affected by soot. That's well-studied.

More southerly sea ice melts out completely each year, hence soot can't build up on it.

Sea ice in the high arctic is too far north to get much soot. And it partially melts out each year, and gets rolled over a lot, which removes any soot that could build up.

Not being imbeciles, scientists have also figured this out.

The magnetic stuff you babbled about was even dumber.

So only the CO2 that China creates gets dispersed all over the globe, the soot stays local.

Good to know.

Also, you're claiming Earth's magnetic field has no effect on climate.

Good to know.

 

[RollingThunder]

Boat gets stuck in ice not supposed to be there and you still post ice lost. Holy fk

The boat is not "stuck in ice", you gullible liar.

The boat is out in the Arctic Ocean, many miles from Murmansk, and proceeding up the North East Passage without any problem, you poor deluded denier cult troll.

The National Snow and Ice Data Center....
July 20, 2016
As of July 18, Arctic sea ice extent was 7.82 million square kilometers (3.02 million square miles). This is just below the two standard deviation value for the date, and just above the level observed on the same date in 2012, the year that ended up having the lowest September extent in the satellite record. Throughout the month, extent has closely tracked both the two standard deviation and 2012 levels.

Seasonal onset of surface melt was early over most of the Arctic Ocean. This occurred under the high-pressure-dominated weather pattern that was present earlier in the spring. The onset of surface melt can be determined with the same passive microwave data used to determine sea ice extent and concentration. Melt began in late April/early May in the southern Beaufort Sea, which was about 6 weeks (more than 40 days) earlier than average. Melt also began a month earlier than average in the Barents Sea and northern Baffin Bay. Early onset of melt is important because melt drops the surface albedo, allowing the sea ice and its overlying snow cover to absorb more solar radiation, which accelerates the melt process.

 

[jc456]

Boat gets stuck in ice not supposed to be there and you still post ice lost. Holy fk

The boat is not "stuck in ice", you gullible liar.

The boat is out in the Arctic Ocean, many miles from Murmansk, and proceeding up the North East Passage without any problem, you poor deluded denier cult troll.

The National Snow and Ice Data Center....
July 20, 2016
As of July 18, Arctic sea ice extent was 7.82 million square kilometers (3.02 million square miles). This is just below the two standard deviation value for the date, and just above the level observed on the same date in 2012, the year that ended up having the lowest September extent in the satellite record. Throughout the month, extent has closely tracked both the two standard deviation and 2012 levels.

Seasonal onset of surface melt was early over most of the Arctic Ocean. This occurred under the high-pressure-dominated weather pattern that was present earlier in the spring. The onset of surface melt can be determined with the same passive microwave data used to determine sea ice extent and concentration. Melt began in late April/early May in the southern Beaufort Sea, which was about 6 weeks (more than 40 days) earlier than average. Melt also began a month earlier than average in the Barents Sea and northern Baffin Bay. Early onset of melt is important because melt drops the surface albedo, allowing the sea ice and its overlying snow cover to absorb more solar radiation, which accelerates the melt process.

Then why'd they need the ice breaker?

 

[RollingThunder]

Boat gets stuck in ice not supposed to be there and you still post ice lost. Holy fk

The boat is not "stuck in ice", you gullible liar.

The boat is out in the Arctic Ocean, many miles from Murmansk, and proceeding up the North East Passage without any problem, you poor deluded denier cult troll.

The National Snow and Ice Data Center....
July 20, 2016
As of July 18, Arctic sea ice extent was 7.82 million square kilometers (3.02 million square miles). This is just below the two standard deviation value for the date, and just above the level observed on the same date in 2012, the year that ended up having the lowest September extent in the satellite record. Throughout the month, extent has closely tracked both the two standard deviation and 2012 levels.

Seasonal onset of surface melt was early over most of the Arctic Ocean. This occurred under the high-pressure-dominated weather pattern that was present earlier in the spring. The onset of surface melt can be determined with the same passive microwave data used to determine sea ice extent and concentration. Melt began in late April/early May in the southern Beaufort Sea, which was about 6 weeks (more than 40 days) earlier than average. Melt also began a month earlier than average in the Barents Sea and northern Baffin Bay. Early onset of melt is important because melt drops the surface albedo, allowing the sea ice and its overlying snow cover to absorb more solar radiation, which accelerates the melt process.

Then why'd they need the ice breaker?

They neither needed nor got an ice breaker, numbnuts. Can't you read?

So, our journey begins. Its been never a dull moment with the red tape, and it continues, I am so pleased we have friends in Moscow. Nikolai was on the radio to the equivalent of port authority or coast guard, we didn’t have pilot boat allocated to us, but they kept an eye on us with radar, as we passed the rusting ice breakers of yesteryear; what tales they could tell.

Then into the Barents sea. a slight swell, and a change in the colour of the sea to deep blue. The sun was still high and warm...And then I went to bed after a long, long day. It was too hot to sleep down below, and too many things going on in my head, but we are now on the North East Passage. Woooohooooo.

 

[mamooth]

So only the CO2 that China creates gets dispersed all over the globe, the soot stays local.

You might ask someone to explain to you the difference between gases and particles. Until you figure it out, you're not qualified to be speaking with the grownups.

Also, you're claiming Earth's magnetic field has no effect on climate.

Can you point us to some science saying otherwise?

 

[jc456]

So only the CO2 that China creates gets dispersed all over the globe, the soot stays local.

You might ask someone to explain to you the difference between gases and particles. Until you figure it out, you're not qualified to be speaking with the grownups.

Also, you're claiming Earth's magnetic field has no effect on climate.

Can you point us to some science saying otherwise?

So the op is incorrect?

 

[Muhammed]

The Gore Effect Strikes Again

A group of adventurers, sailors, pilots and climate scientists that recently started a journey around the North Pole in an effort to show the lack of ice, has been blocked from further travels by ice.

The Polar Ocean Challenge is taking a two month journey that will see them go from Bristol, Alaska, to Norway, then to Russia through the North East passage, back to Alaska through the North West passage, to Greenland and then ultimately back to Bristol. Their objective, as laid out by their website, was to demonstrate “that the Arctic sea ice coverage shrinks back so far now in the summer months that sea that was permanently locked up now can allow passage through.”

There has been one small hiccup thus-far though: they are currently stuck in Murmansk, Russia because there is too much ice blocking the North East passage the team said didn’t exist in summer months, according to Real Climate Science.

Real Climate Science also provides a graph showing that current Arctic temperatures — despite alarmist claims of the Arctic being hotter than ever — is actually below normal.

The Polar Ocean Challenge team is not the first global warming expedition to be faced with icy troubles. In 2013, an Antarctic research vessel named Akademik Shokalskiy became trapped in the ice, the problem was so severe that they actually had to rescue the 52 crew members.

Global Warming Expedition Stopped In Its Tracks By Arctic Sea Ice

Divine justice be done. Arrogance of the warmers just got put on ice.

What's really amazing here -- is how the mainstream press is too damn embarrassed to post this hysterically funny irony..

for me this only proves one thing. All of the charts and graphs posted in here on arctic ice are all in error. real life climate defeated the make believe charts and graphs. I am truly laughing. More now than the antarctic ship. All of the condescending comments about arctic ice melt and all. ooopsssie

It's always good when science goes out of the lab to test a theory. They had a goal, based on their best understanding of the data -- and they tested it. Probably cost them a shipload to pay for this ship and crew with the couple month delay they've gotten into. Probably the bill will get covered by the taxpayers tho..

Think we could send them some cookies? Maybe some "Eskimo Pies" ?????????????

They sure do seem to have a lot of failed missions.

The last two A-Train satellites they launched both never made it to orbit. And get this, they both crashed because of the SAME problem. The payload fairings failed to separate. Now you would think that after the first one crashed, they would fix the problem. Personally, I suspect that they crashed them on purpose because they were afraid that the data the satellites send back would not jibe with their preconceived theory.

I wonder how many hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars they sent into the drink.

 

[RollingThunder]

Boat gets stuck in ice not supposed to be there and you still post ice lost. Holy fk

The boat is not "stuck in ice", you gullible liar.

The boat is out in the Arctic Ocean, many miles from Murmansk, and proceeding up the North East Passage without any problem, you poor deluded denier cult troll.

So the op is incorrect?

You mean the troll WitherMan's usual braindead twaddle from a deceitful fossil fuel industry propaganda outlet?

You mean this garbage....

"A group of adventurers, sailors, pilots and climate scientists that recently started a journey around the North Pole in an effort to show the lack of ice, has been blocked from further travels by ice.

There has been one small hiccup thus-far though: they are currently stuck in Murmansk, Russia, because there is too much ice blocking the North East passage the team said didn’t exist in summer months, according to Real Climate Science."

Yes, that is "incorrect"......obviously

The ship left Murmansk a day ago, on July 20th, and is far out into the Arctic Ocean, going up the North East Passage (Tracking the Boat). It is not stuck in ice. It is demonstrating that the Arctic sea ice cover has diminished so much that you can now circumnavigate the whole thing. Something that has been impossible for thousands of years, until just recently, as anthropogenic global warming melts the Arctic ice at increasing rates.

 

[Crick]

Yes, your interpretation of that IS incorrect. They have stopped in port due to ice ahead of them. They are not lodged in the pack. They are currently underway with an enormous amount of open water ahead of them.

See their website.

Several Russian vessels have already made the interesting parts of this same journey last year. Passage around the North Pole is opening and will be getting more so. In the foreseeable future, we will be able to sail over the North Pole in summer. It will become a fashionable cruise ship destination. Wheeee!

 

[LaDexter]

They have stopped in port due to ice ahead of them.

vs.

They are currently underway with an enormous amount of open water ahead of them.

Profession - Climate Scientist

 

[mamooth]

The last two A-Train satellites they launched both never made it to orbit.

The last two A-Train launches were OCO-2 (2014) and GCOM-W1 (2012), both successful.

Why did you lie to us?

I'm guessing it's because you believe any lie is justifiable, if it's done in the service of your cult.

 

[RollingThunder]

They have stopped in port due to ice ahead of them.

vs.

They are currently underway with an enormous amount of open water ahead of them.

Profession - Climate Scientist

LOLOLOLOL......you are a hoot, LaDumbshit. Are you really too fucking stupid to understand that the ship reached Murmansk on July 12th, waited a short time to clear up red tape with the Russians and wait for weather conditions to improve, and then left Murmansk on July 20th and is now about 500 kilometers out into the Arctic Ocean on their planned course to circumnavigate the fast dwindling sea ice cap? See for yourself, little retard - Tracking the Boat. It was never stuck in ice, only slightly delayed. The fraudulent OP was a lie.

 

[Muhammed]

They have stopped in port due to ice ahead of them.

vs.

They are currently underway with an enormous amount of open water ahead of them.

Profession - Climate Scientist

LOLOLOLOL......you are a hoot, LaDumbshit. Are you really too fucking stupid to understand that the ship reached Murmansk on July 12th, waited a short time to clear up red tape with the Russians and wait for weather conditions to improve, and then left Murmansk on July 20th and is now about 500 kilometers out into the Arctic Ocean on their planned course to circumnavigate the fast dwindling sea ice cap? See for yourself, little retard - Tracking the Boat. It was never stuck in ice, only slightly delayed. The fraudulent OP was a lie.

The last two A-Train satellites they launched both never made it to orbit.

The last two A-Train launches were OCO-2 (2014) and GCOM-W1 (2012), both successful.

It must of been the two before those. Either NASA is extremely incompetent or they crashed them on purpose.

 

[jc456]

They have stopped in port due to ice ahead of them.

vs.

They are currently underway with an enormous amount of open water ahead of them.

Profession - Climate Scientist

LOLOLOLOL......you are a hoot, LaDumbshit. Are you really too fucking stupid to understand that the ship reached Murmansk on July 12th, waited a short time to clear up red tape with the Russians and wait for weather conditions to improve, and then left Murmansk on July 20th and is now about 500 kilometers out into the Arctic Ocean on their planned course to circumnavigate the fast dwindling sea ice cap? See for yourself, little retard - Tracking the Boat. It was never stuck in ice, only slightly delayed. The fraudulent OP was a lie.

delayed by what?

 

[Billy_Bob]

They have stopped in port due to ice ahead of them.

vs.

They are currently underway with an enormous amount of open water ahead of them.

Profession - Climate Scientist

LOLOLOLOL......you are a hoot, LaDumbshit. Are you really too fucking stupid to understand that the ship reached Murmansk on July 12th, waited a short time to clear up red tape with the Russians and wait for weather conditions to improve, and then left Murmansk on July 20th and is now about 500 kilometers out into the Arctic Ocean on their planned course to circumnavigate the fast dwindling sea ice cap? See for yourself, little retard - Tracking the Boat. It was never stuck in ice, only slightly delayed. The fraudulent OP was a lie.

delayed by what?

Pack ICE... that magically appeared in defiance of their models.. And required an ice breaker ship to get through....

 

[jc456]

They have stopped in port due to ice ahead of them.

vs.

They are currently underway with an enormous amount of open water ahead of them.

Profession - Climate Scientist

LOLOLOLOL......you are a hoot, LaDumbshit. Are you really too fucking stupid to understand that the ship reached Murmansk on July 12th, waited a short time to clear up red tape with the Russians and wait for weather conditions to improve, and then left Murmansk on July 20th and is now about 500 kilometers out into the Arctic Ocean on their planned course to circumnavigate the fast dwindling sea ice cap? See for yourself, little retard - Tracking the Boat. It was never stuck in ice, only slightly delayed. The fraudulent OP was a lie.

delayed by what?

Pack ICE... that magically appeared in defiance of their models.. And required an ice breaker ship to get through....

I really wanted thunder to say it.

 

[Billy_Bob]

They have stopped in port due to ice ahead of them.

vs.

They are currently underway with an enormous amount of open water ahead of them.

Profession - Climate Scientist

LOLOLOLOL......you are a hoot, LaDumbshit. Are you really too fucking stupid to understand that the ship reached Murmansk on July 12th, waited a short time to clear up red tape with the Russians and wait for weather conditions to improve, and then left Murmansk on July 20th and is now about 500 kilometers out into the Arctic Ocean on their planned course to circumnavigate the fast dwindling sea ice cap? See for yourself, little retard - Tracking the Boat. It was never stuck in ice, only slightly delayed. The fraudulent OP was a lie.

delayed by what?

Pack ICE... that magically appeared in defiance of their models.. And required an ice breaker ship to get through....

I really wanted thunder to say it.

Snowballs chance in hell of that...