Global Overheating

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    The phrase "global warming" has pleasant connotations. I prefer the word "overheating," because it more accurately captures the serious consequences.

    From today's New York Times, by science writer William Falk:

    "A BLAST FROM THE PAST

    To find out whether human activities are changing the atmosphere, scientists took ice cores from ancient glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica. Bubbles of air trapped in the ice provided a pristine sampling of the atmosphere going back 650,000 years. The study, published last month in the journal Science, found that the level of carbon dioxide, one of the greenhouse gases that can warm the planet, is now 27 percent higher than at any previous time. The level is even far higher now than it was in periods when the climate was much warmer and North America was largely tropical. Climatologists said the ice cores left no doubt that the burning of fossil fuels is altering the atmosphere in a substantial and unprecedented way.

    THE DAY AFTER TODAY

    One of the more alarming possible consequences of global warming appears to be already under way. The rapid melting of the Arctic and Greenland ice caps, a new study finds, is causing freshwater to flood into the North Atlantic. That infusion of icy water appears to be deflecting the northward flow of the warming Gulf Stream, which moderates winter temperatures for Europe and the northeastern United States. The flow of the Gulf Stream has been reduced by 30 percent since 1957, the National Oceanography Center in Britain found."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/30/opinion/30falk.html?th&emc=th

    It's not a "theory" any more. It's happening, no matter how many science reports the President's head-in-the-sand followers censor. Pretty soon we're going to see European governments down our throats, as we threaten their climate via our continually increasing (not decreasing) greenhouse gas emissions. Without the Gulf Stream, London's climate would be similar to Labrador's.

    This month's Sierra magazine contains very disturbing photographs showing glacial melting, as well as actual pages from science reports with big sections crossed out by the Bush Administration, to make global overheating seem less real.

    If current trends continue, there will be no more arctic ice--and no more polar bears--by 2050. Bush's answer: drill in the Arctic for more oil. He thinks you can change reality by wishing it away. The right answer: make us the world leader in green technology. Instead, we're letting Japan and Europe lead the way (hybrid cars, high-speed rail, and windmills, etc). All we need is a modest commitment to research, perhaps funded by a gas tax (which the vast majority of economists, including conservatives ones, agree is the single fastest way to get us off oil, since it makes other technologies relatively cheaper while encouraging us to use less oil). As an oil man, Bush had the credibility to do this, but he threw the chance away. Idiocy.

    Mariner.
     
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    i will stipulate to all that you said....

    which means....i agree that global overheating is occuring and that the US could be doing more.

    but tell me.....who are the big five fosil fuel users other than the united states and what are they doing to curb thier use?

    have they even done the same amount that the US has done?

    if it is a global economy then should all economies have the same emmision and polution standards?

    should not the kyoto treaty hold all nations to the same standard?
     
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    Its all Bush's fault. :rolleyes:
     
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    MB, that's a given! C'mon now!
     
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    I don't give a rat's ass.
     
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    What Kyoto signatories have done:

    http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=104&ArticleID=1296096

    Chart of Failures:

    http://dataservice.eea.eu.int/atlas/viewdata/viewpub.asp?id=1914
     
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    Oh yes, of course.
     
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    fault that he has chosen to focus only on the supply side of energy (seeking to increase it), and only on one, old technology (burning ancient carbon deposits) rather than on the demand side (conservation, efficiency, etc.).

    Does anyone really care to defend his $8 billion in tax cuts for oil and gas companies? This was corporate welfare at its worst. Or Cheney's closed-door sessions with the energy industry? Remember how the right pilloried Hillary Clinton for her closed-door sessions on health insurance?

    U.S. 2005 greenhouse emissions were higher than 2004. The only reason for the overall fall during the Bush years was the recession. The really important figure is how much we release per person. By those figures, we're horribly wasteful. Harvard biologist E.O. Wilson calculates the average "footprint" of an American on the earth as 2 acres. If all the earth's inhabitants wanted our same standard of living--at our same low efficiency in achieving it--we'd need 4 earths.

    We should be addressing this problem by showing everyone how to live well with a smaller footprint. Instead, we're eating our fast food, driving our SUV's to the mall, and building McMansions that sprawl into the woods surrounding our cities, connecting them into a wilderness-free strip mall megalopolis, obliviously.

    Kyoto was a mess, yes, but at least it promoted the concept of global togetherness in addressing a global threat. For the world's largest producer of greenhouse gases to sit out Kyoto was a poke in the eye to everyone else.

    Mariner

    (For the record, I live in the city, am a vegetarian, run my car on biodiesel, and commute to work by skateboard. It is my time on the ocean that convinces me of the beauty and necessity of preserving wild places.)
     
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    Environmental concerns are the lie satan has used to convince you that you are right in bringing humanity under your (his) control.
     
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    Who says the earth's temperature is supposed to stay the same? We constantly go through periods of heating and cooling. Environmentalism as practiced as a worldview is simply antihuman. Anti Western human to be precise. This is just Mariner's latest tack.
     

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