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OK Revisionists - a challenge...................................................
Why aren't The Beatles the best rock group of all time - awsome body of work in 10 years......................
Will never be duplicated ..
Was the reason Elvis and Sinatra and society in general went to long hair.......................
Had individual short -comings to be sure
Establishment =types wore longhair caise of the Beatles
like Warren Beatty lol ..............
Yeah -the Fab 4 was really a flop in Ed Sullivan and the 2 concerts in Shea Stadium..........................
~400 concerts vs. ~2300 The GD were clearly a more prolific live group.
The Beatles were a pop band. I'm not denigrating them. They're one of my favorite bands and their artistry in the studio is unmatched in history. But rock n roll is played on a stage, live, in front of the audience, in person.
OK Revisionists - a challenge...................................................
Why aren't The Beatles the best rock group of all time - awsome body of work in 10 years......................
Will never be duplicated ..
Was the reason Elvis and Sinatra and society in general went to long hair.......................
Had individual short -comings to be sure
Establishment =types wore longhair caise of the Beatles
like Warren Beatty lol ..............
lol... you still seem to insist that it's all about stylistic stuff that has nothing to do with music... i.e., the hair, etc...
would you mind please telling us once and for all how old you are, ginscpy...?
I get what you're saying, but to me "real" rock n roll is played with instruments, a band, and an audience-that's it. The Dead had a big stage production that quite frankly isn't very rock n roll to me. The whole videos the Dead had going on. And quite frankly to be blunt: Jerry Garcia was a very overrated guitar player.
There are many bands that are awful at live shows, but are great actual musicians, then there are bands that are the opposite. Doesn't mean one is more rock n roll over the other.
As for the Dead, I think they improvised WAY too much on stage-and not to mention it's easier than playing everything perfectly and to a tee every night.
You mess up improvising/jamming and not many people will notice.
You mess up on a song that you play often-everybody knows.
edit: But on another note I don't think there's anybody (except for maybe Elvis) you can argue as being more influential to music (not just rock) in the 20th century than The Beatles.
I get what you're saying, but to me "real" rock n roll is played with instruments, a band, and an audience-that's it. The Dead had a big stage production that quite frankly isn't very rock n roll to me. The whole videos the Dead had going on. And quite frankly to be blunt: Jerry Garcia was a very overrated guitar player.
I never rated Garcia among the guitar greats - Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, etc. - he's a band leader not a guitar great. You can have the greatest band without having the best musicians in history - all you need is competent musicians and the ability the rock out.
The dead definitely were not exclusively a rock band - they were a folk band as well - and to be honest, I've never actually seen them live. But I've seen Phil & Friends and if the Truckin' they play is anything close to how it was back in the day I can't see how that's not rocknroll.
There are many bands that are awful at live shows, but are great actual musicians, then there are bands that are the opposite. Doesn't mean one is more rock n roll over the other.
Music - in general - is about live performance. It always has been. The recording industry is an aberration that has popped up over the last 100 years. This is why I love the pirated music industry. By making it harder for bands to make $$$$ in the studio - you drive them to the stage to make up the difference. Those that can't keep a live act going shouldn't be around anymore. The Beatles maybe are the exception that proves that rule as their studio work was almost like an entirely different art onto itself.
INSTRUMENTAL IMPROVISATION IS THE HEART OF ROCK N ROLL.
???? Maybe people who don't understand what kind of music they think sounds good won't notice.
You mess up on a song that you play often-everybody knows.
If you want to go a concert where you can, with enough familiarity, predict exactly what the next note will be - try the symphony. Live performance isn't a fucking exam that the band takes and the audience grades - its something that is.... well... ALIVE. If you're uncomfortable with not knowing what to expect next from a band - don't go to live performances.
edit: But on another note I don't think there's anybody (except for maybe Elvis) you can argue as being more influential to music (not just rock) in the 20th century than The Beatles.
That depends on how you define "influential to music". If you ask people who play in bands I doubt most of them would consider the beatles their main influence. They'd mention the led zepelin, stones, jimi hendrix, bands like that (maybe that list is a little dated - but you get my point). Bands who didn't have as many "catchy" tunes as the Beatles (though quite a few) - but who quite frankly could rock out harder.
That's the difference between pop and rock. Pop is about creating static art with music. You get a lot of time to put some real creative thought into it, and you produce masterpieces like "let it be" that people everywhere can cue up in their head any time they want. But its a static work of art - like a painting or a sculpture. Rock n Roll is performance art. It evolves even as it is played. Yes - a lot of creative forethought is also put into it - and yes some bands improvise more than others, sure, but as an audience member at a rock concert you will hear things that you didn't expect to happen.
Its all really a matter of opinion anyway. I just don't get why people go to concerts expecting to hear a tune exactly the same way it comes off on the album. If that's what you want - why bother even going?
I could name the members of the Beatles for $10 million - I couldnt name one member of the Gratefull Dead except for Jerry Garcia
Even namingthe Stones is a challenge
Your criticism is so original, in depth, and Earth shattering.You don't have to name them for them to be good.
Stones have also played in excess of 2k shows.
and you don't have to name 'em all for them to suck...
I can name all the Stones... and they've sucked for the last 35 years...
I'm not a big stones fan myself. But they are a real live rock n roll band - vs. a studio pop band.
The Beatles weren't a rock band, they were a pop band.
I'd say that in terms of advancing rock or pop?
The BEACH BOYS might take the silver medal.
I just don't get why people go to concerts expecting to hear a tune exactly the same way it comes off on the album. If that's what you want - why bother even going?
Well The Beatles were extremely influential in one major regard: nobody before them actually wrote their own lyrics/music (outside of Buddy Holly), and after them nobody dared not to. Paul McCartney on the bass had a lot of bass lines and fills-which wasn't done before that time. And a lot of young bands out there today will cite The Beatles as an influence. Just because somebody doesn't name a group as an influence-doesn't mean their influence isn't there. Most people who play the electric guitar for example are influenced by Les Paul-even if they never cite him as one.
for me AC/DC is the Bon Scott Era.....after that forget it.....AC/DC is much better than the Beatles ever were.
I could name the members of the Beatles for $10 million - I couldnt name one member of the Gratefull Dead except for Jerry Garcia
Even namingthe Stones is a challenge
oh yeah sure... the fact that a lowly worm is able to name all four members of the band is proof that the band deserves to be named the greatest musical act ever...
The Beatles weren't a rock band, they were a pop band.
if you want to call them that.....knock yourself out.....pop is shit like the Back Street Boys and Madonna.....if it has an Electric Guitar as its lead instrument ....its Rock.......
Now you're justAC/DC is much better than the Beatles ever were.