General Westmoreland

[gipper]

On the other side of the coin you had the Harvard educated whiz kid Sec. of Defense Robert McNamara who micromanaged the Vietnam war using the latest and newest in egg head system analysis from the White House.

Coupled with Gen. Westmoreland ineptly leading the Army on the ground, and McNamara directing the action from his Ivory tower. The prosecution of the Vietnam war was doomed to failure. ....

Never should have gotten involved in the first place

We turned a Civil War into a Cold War

Dummy. The Cold War existed well before Vietnam War got started.

Do you ever tire of making uninformed posts?

 

[gipper]

On the other side of the coin you had the Harvard educated whiz kid Sec. of Defense Robert McNamara who micromanaged the Vietnam war using the latest and newest in egg head system analysis from the White House.

Coupled with Gen. Westmoreland ineptly leading the Army on the ground, and McNamara directing the action from his Ivory tower. The prosecution of the Vietnam war was doomed to failure. ....

Never should have gotten involved in the first place

We turned a Civil War into a Cold War

You helped the French?

After all, they helped you win that little rebellion of yours.

It was all Frances fault anyway

They insisted on reinstating their Colonial Empire after WWII and the Vietnamese rebelled

Wrong again. It was the belief and fear that communism was on the rise and had to be stopped They killed JFK so that they could have their war. Dummy.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

On the other side of the coin you had the Harvard educated whiz kid Sec. of Defense Robert McNamara who micromanaged the Vietnam war using the latest and newest in egg head system analysis from the White House.

Coupled with Gen. Westmoreland ineptly leading the Army on the ground, and McNamara directing the action from his Ivory tower. The prosecution of the Vietnam war was doomed to failure. ....

Never should have gotten involved in the first place

We turned a Civil War into a Cold War

Dummy. The Cold War existed well before Vietnam War got started.

Do you ever tire of making uninformed posts?

Excuse me, but exactly what Message base do you think you are posting on? I could have sworn it was USMB where the bulk of the posts are uninformed to say the least.

 

[Sunni Man]

It was all Frances fault anyway
They insisted on reinstating their Colonial Empire after WWII and the Vietnamese rebelled

The Vietnamese people had fought to rid their country of the Japanese during WWll.

When WWll ended the Allied powers let the Japanese soldiers keep their weapons and used them as military police to control Vietnam.

Then the French returned to Vietnam and expected to set up shop and continue to rule the country as a colonial state. The vietnamese people rebelled, and that was the beginning of the Vietnam war. ...

 

[Pilot1]

Westmoreland was an old school general trying to use large scale WWll ground tactics against a hit and run guerrilla army.

He never understood how to fight the indiginous insurgents, let alone defeat them. ...

It was said: 'it was like fighting a ghost in the forest'.

Yet we won just about every engagement, and all the major engagements, including Tet in Vietnam.

The U.S. lost 58,000 men, of which over 50,000 were Caucasian in Vietnam. Over 1.1 MILLION North Vietnamese, and Viet Kong soldiers were lost.

Vietnam War casualties

 

[Mindful]

On the other side of the coin you had the Harvard educated whiz kid Sec. of Defense Robert McNamara who micromanaged the Vietnam war using the latest and newest in egg head system analysis from the White House.

Coupled with Gen. Westmoreland ineptly leading the Army on the ground, and McNamara directing the action from his Ivory tower. The prosecution of the Vietnam war was doomed to failure. ....

Never should have gotten involved in the first place

We turned a Civil War into a Cold War

You helped the French?

After all, they helped you win that little rebellion of yours.

It was all Frances fault anyway

They insisted on reinstating their Colonial Empire after WWII and the Vietnamese rebelled

Wherever the French have been, they've left a mess.

 

[rightwinger]

On the other side of the coin you had the Harvard educated whiz kid Sec. of Defense Robert McNamara who micromanaged the Vietnam war using the latest and newest in egg head system analysis from the White House.

Coupled with Gen. Westmoreland ineptly leading the Army on the ground, and McNamara directing the action from his Ivory tower. The prosecution of the Vietnam war was doomed to failure. ....

Never should have gotten involved in the first place

We turned a Civil War into a Cold War

Dummy. The Cold War existed well before Vietnam War got started.

Do you ever tire of making uninformed posts?

We extended it into Vietnam and made it a war against Communism rather than the Civil War it was

 

[Mindful]

Back to Westmoreland.

Did he do the whole thing wrong?

 

[rightwinger]

Westmoreland was an old school general trying to use large scale WWll ground tactics against a hit and run guerrilla army.

He never understood how to fight the indiginous insurgents, let alone defeat them. ...

It was said: 'it was like fighting a ghost in the forest'.

Yet we won just about every engagement, and all the major engagements, including Tet in Vietnam.

The U.S. lost 58,000 men, of which over 50,000 were Caucasian in Vietnam. Over 1.1 MILLION North Vietnamese, and Viet Kong soldiers were lost.

Vietnam War casualties

And we fought a war of attrition. Our military strategy was about body counts and not tactical victory. Our tactics made us into the bad guys not the communists

 

[Sunni Man]

Back to Westmoreland.
Did he do the whole thing wrong?

Go back and read post #5 ....

 

[Mindful]

Westmoreland was an old school general trying to use large scale WWll ground tactics against a hit and run guerrilla army.

He never understood how to fight the indiginous insurgents, let alone defeat them. ...

It was said: 'it was like fighting a ghost in the forest'.

Yet we won just about every engagement, and all the major engagements, including Tet in Vietnam.

The U.S. lost 58,000 men, of which over 50,000 were Caucasian in Vietnam. Over 1.1 MILLION North Vietnamese, and Viet Kong soldiers were lost.

Vietnam War casualties

And we fought a war of attrition. Our military strategy was about body counts and not tactical victory. Our tactics made us into the bad guys not the communists

I watched earlier, the humiliated and tortured American POW being paraded around in front of the North Vietnamese.

One of them was sending morse code messages through his eye blinkings.

 

[Sunni Man]

Westmoreland was an old school general trying to use large scale WWll ground tactics against a hit and run guerrilla army.

He never understood how to fight the indigenous insurgents, let alone defeat them. ...

 

[Mindful]

Back to Westmoreland.
Did he do the whole thing wrong?

Go back and read post #5 ....

No.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

It was all Frances fault anyway
They insisted on reinstating their Colonial Empire after WWII and the Vietnamese rebelled

The Vietnamese people had fought to rid their country of the Japanese during WWll.

When WWll ended the Allied powers let the Japanese soldiers keep their weapons and used them as military police to control Vietnam.

Then the French returned to Vietnam and expected to set up shop and continue to rule the country as a colonial state. The vietnamese people rebelled, and that was the beginning of the Vietnam war. ...

Danged, where did you get the idea that the Allies had anything to do with the Japanese Soldiers keeping their weapons? That was strictly a native Vietnam decision all the way around. And it wasn't just Japanese Soldiers, it also included thousands of munition factor workers, engineers, teachers and more. And these folks had no way of getting, much less, going home.

As for the Soldiers, under Bashido, Japan had lost face. They no longer had a place to home to. Many went the Samaria way and hired out to the Vietnamese which clearly welcomed their expertise. Others went RONIN which translates to "Native". One would think that the Vietnamese would have gone on a long killing spree but they didn't. That's now who they are. -

 

[rightwinger]

On the other side of the coin you had the Harvard educated whiz kid Sec. of Defense Robert McNamara who micromanaged the Vietnam war using the latest and newest in egg head system analysis from the White House.

Coupled with Gen. Westmoreland ineptly leading the Army on the ground, and McNamara directing the action from his Ivory tower. The prosecution of the Vietnam war was doomed to failure. ....

Never should have gotten involved in the first place

We turned a Civil War into a Cold War

You helped the French?

After all, they helped you win that little rebellion of yours.

It was all Frances fault anyway

They insisted on reinstating their Colonial Empire after WWII and the Vietnamese rebelled

Wherever the French have been, they've left a mess.

After WWII, DeGaulle insisted the French get back their Colonial holdings in Vietnam. The US backed France

If we had allowed the Vietnamese to have their own country, they probably would not have gone Communist and we would have prevented 55,000 French deaths, 57,000 US deaths and over a million Vietnamese deaths

 

[Sunni Man]

No.

Then stay ignorant and keep asking the same questions. ...

 

[gipper]

Back to Westmoreland.

Did he do the whole thing wrong?

Yes. Of course, we never should have entered the war in the first place.

Westy was a dumb fuck. His tactics clearly were failures, but he persisted and assholes in the Imperil Capital on the Potomac allowed itto continue so their pals in the MIC could get amazingly wealthy.

 

[Mindful]

No.

Then stay ignorant and keep asking the same questions. ...

 

[Mindful]

Back to Westmoreland.

Did he do the whole thing wrong?

Yes. Of course, we never should have entered the war in the first place.

Westy was a dumb fuck. His tactics clearly were failures, but he persisted and assholes in the Imperil Capital on the Potomac allowed itto continue so their pals in the MIC could get amazingly wealthy.

It bothered me the sheer numbers of troops he was requesting.

 

[rightwinger]

Back to Westmoreland.

Did he do the whole thing wrong?

I don’t think there was a path to victory
Even if we had “won” we would still be there today occupying the country and would still be suffering casualties from insurgents who wanted us out