FUBAR And Climate Change

[JLW]

We are fucking up this planet beyond recognition. Warning signs everywhere on not just climate change but on environmental degradation.

Do not vote for anyone that denies climate change. Do not vote for anyone that favors gutting our environmental laws. Future generations depend on it.



'We've never seen this': massive Canadian glaciers shrinking rapidly

 

[theHawk]

Uhh...glaciers have been melting for 12000 years. There have been times when it was much warmer than now and there was zero ice on the planet and there was more life than ever. But don’t let the scientific facts stop you from spreading fear about the planet naturally warming up.

 

[JLW]

Uhh...glaciers have been melting for 12000 years. There have been times when it was much warmer than now and there was zero ice on the planet and there was more life than ever. But don’t let the scientific facts stop you from spreading fear about the planet naturally warming up.

This argument is the standard line from all deniers. You have bought into anti-science propaganda. Sad.

 

[theHawk]

What have I denied? I agree the planet is getting warmer.

 

[Claudette]

I thought Al Gore had already laughed his way to the bank with the bundle he made of Global Warming???

 

[blastoff]

Uhh...glaciers have been melting for 12000 years. There have been times when it was much warmer than now and there was zero ice on the planet and there was more life than ever. But don’t let the scientific facts stop you from spreading fear about the planet naturally warming up.

This argument is the standard line from all deniers. You have bought into anti-science propaganda. Sad.

Two words, dipshit. Ice Ages.

Naturally cooled, got cold; naturally warmed, got hot. Freezing, thawing, freezing, thawing...in cycles with zero input from Homo sapiens at all. Oops, I’m sorry. Am I sounding like a denier while not denying anything?

 

[Penelope]

Uhh...glaciers have been melting for 12000 years. There have been times when it was much warmer than now and there was zero ice on the planet and there was more life than ever. But don’t let the scientific facts stop you from spreading fear about the planet naturally warming up.

I thought Al Gore had already laughed his way to the bank with the bundle he made of Global Warming???

I thought it was Nixon who first was concerned about global warming.

 

[JLW]

Uhh...glaciers have been melting for 12000 years. There have been times when it was much warmer than now and there was zero ice on the planet and there was more life than ever. But don’t let the scientific facts stop you from spreading fear about the planet naturally warming up.

This argument is the standard line from all deniers. You have bought into anti-science propaganda. Sad.

Two words, dipshit. Ice Ages.

Naturally cooled, got cold; naturally warmed, got hot. Freezing, thawing, freezing, thawing...in cycles with zero input from Homo sapiens at all. Oops, I’m sorry. Am I sounding like a denier while not denying anything?

Just a shame people like you are endangering future generations by impeding action on climate change.

 

[Oddball]

We are fucking up this planet beyond recognition. Warning signs everywhere on not just climate change but on environmental degradation.

Do not vote for anyone that denies climate change. Do not vote for anyone that favors gutting our environmental laws. Future generations depend on it.



'We've never seen this': massive Canadian glaciers shrinking rapidly

 

[Penelope]

If you are a denier at least be concerned about air, water and land pollution, you can't deny that.

 

[B. Kidd]

If you are a denier at least be concerned about air, water and land pollution, you can't deny that.

I'm all for people stopping defecating on the streets of San Francisco and proper syringe disposal.

 

[Wyatt earp]

We are fucking up this planet beyond recognition. Warning signs everywhere on not just climate change but on environmental degradation.

Do not vote for anyone that denies climate change. Do not vote for anyone that favors gutting our environmental laws. Future generations depend on it.



'We've never seen this': massive Canadian glaciers shrinking rapidly

Glaciers been melting since the last ice age kid.

 

[Wyatt earp]

If you are a denier at least be concerned about air, water and land pollution, you can't deny that.

Find me one person who denies climate change? Probably the same person who doesn't have an ID in America.


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[SassyIrishLass]

100's of Millions of People will Die!

 

[flacaltenn]

We are fucking up this planet beyond recognition. Warning signs everywhere on not just climate change but on environmental degradation.

Do not vote for anyone that denies climate change. Do not vote for anyone that favors gutting our environmental laws. Future generations depend on it.



'We've never seen this': massive Canadian glaciers shrinking rapidly

From your "article" --

Previous research found that between 1957 and 2007, the range lost 22% of its ice cover, enough to raise global seal levels by 1.1 millimetres.

What is the "NORMAL" ice loss rate? What do you want? Climates that BUILD GLACIERS continuously? It's over 60 years.

And can your dismissive street theater about science. There was NOT a single SCIENTIFIC paper referenced in that press release. You WANT SCIENCE? Go read the actual scientific papers you lemming..

 

[flacaltenn]

If you are a denier at least be concerned about air, water and land pollution, you can't deny that.

I resent the phony onslaught of fear and concern and emergency status of the GWarming circus BECAUSE -- I care about all the other environmental that GW propaganda has choked to death for the past 30 years.

FINALLY -- we're getting back to being environmentalists and conservation advocates. GW warped the fuck out public understanding of these other more important issues..

 

[flacaltenn]

We are fucking up this planet beyond recognition. Warning signs everywhere on not just climate change but on environmental degradation.

Do not vote for anyone that denies climate change. Do not vote for anyone that favors gutting our environmental laws. Future generations depend on it.



'We've never seen this': massive Canadian glaciers shrinking rapidly

Here's the science that you DONT know..

Ice is a very poor thermometer. It's the WORST indicator of GW. It melts only above 0degC, not including insolation and re-freeze effects. You can melt the same volume of ice with a one day temperature of 2degC as you will with a 100 day anomaly of 0.02DegC.. So it's sensitive to WEATHER effects..

It's also in the glaciers VERY susceptible to "blackening" from pollution swept in from as far away as China. So it's hard to separate GW effects from CO2 from carbon blackening.

If you look at an actually science paper (which I doubt you ever do) the most OBVIOUS FACT is that these numbers that the media flings around are very subjective and soft. That 22% quoted by lay press is the HIGH estimate of numbers that have a "confidence bound" almost as large as the number itself. So in REALITY -- that 22% could become 12% +/- 10% --- with LOW END OF THE ESTIMATE for loss since 1958 being as low as 2%.

WHY are the numbers THAT UNCERTAIN? Because in the science papers, they are filled with what the scientists DONT KNOW. And they really don't try to hide it. Except when they issue the press release, the know-nothing media will ALWAYS PICK -- the highest scariest numbers.

Force yourself to READ some of the science. Stop pissing you pants and learn how little is actually known..

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2009GL042030

[1] Glaciers in the Yukon, NW Canada, lost 22% of their surface area during the 50 years following the 1957–58 International Geophysical Year, coincident with increases in average winter and summer air temperatures and decreases in winter precipitation. Scaling these results to ice volume change, we obtain a total mass loss of 406 ± 177 Gt, which accounts for 1.12 ± 0.49 mm of global sea‐level rise. Yukon glaciers thinned by 0.78 ± 0.34 m yr−1 water equivalent, a regional thinning rate exceeded only by mountain glaciers in Patagonia and Alaska. Our scaling analysis suggests the remaining glaciers have the capacity to contribute a further 5.02 mm to global sea‐level rise.

1. Introduction
[2] The response of glaciers and ice caps (GIC) to climate change is an issue of significant public and scientific concern because of its implications for global sea‐level rise (SLR). In addition to ocean thermal expansion, the present day sea‐level budget attributes ∼half of observed SLR to the ice sheets and ∼half to mass losses from GIC [Cazenave et al., 2009]. The GIC contribution to SLR has accelerated over the past decade [Meier et al., 2007], yet the errors associated with estimates of this contribution are often large. Reducing them requires comprehensive studies of regional‐scale glacier changes, particularly from undersampled areas that have experienced substantial climate change in recent decades.

[3] Although ∼10,000 km2 of the Yukon, NW Canada, is glacier covered (Figure 1), very little is known about the health of these glaciers due to an absence of field measurements and the difficulty of estimating regional‐scale volume changes. NW North America has experienced significant climate change over the past half century, with increases in average winter (October‐April, 2.0 ± 0.8°C) and summer (May‐September, 1.0 ± 0.4°C) air temperatures and a small increase in precipitation (albeit significant at just 17% of sites) recorded at 67 National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and Environment Canada weather stations [Arendt et al., 2009]. Of these stations, the 14 located within the Yukon record similar summer warming (0.99°C), yet a reduction in winter precipitation (on average, −22 mm). Regional climate warming, reduction in winter precipitation and increases in freezing level heights (FLHs) [Arendt et al., 2009] suggest that both the maritime (St. Elias (Figure 1b)) and interior (Mackenzie (Figure 1c)) glacier populations of the Yukon may have experienced large losses during the past 50 years.


Let me focus some of that for you.. The 2degC +/- 0.8degC in the WINTER -- is not the source of ice melt. But the LACK OF PRECIPT in the winter IS.. And AGAIN, the summer temp anomaly has an "error bar" nearly as large as the mean value.

Note -- how little is KNOWN and how it's EMPHASIZED. If you want credibility on the topic, divest yourself of the "science is settled" bullshit -- even if it requires daily enemas for a month. It's NO WHERE NEAR "settled"...

 

[Sunsettommy]

From John Laws link is this paragraph of deception and lies:

"Climate warming over the past century is global in scope and unprecedented in the postglacial or Holocene Epoch, which spans about the past 12,000 years. Its magnitude and effects are especially large at high latitudes and in high mountains, where they have been manifested by large reductions in glaciers, ice sheets and permafrost, which are known collectively as the cryosphere."

and,

"The current reduction in the cryosphere in northwest North America is now happening at rates higher than at any time in the postglacial period, and were equaled or exceeded only during the preceding Pleistocene Epoch, the period from 2.6 million years ago to 11,800 years ago when large ice sheets periodically formed and disappeared over the Northern Hemisphere."

Oh really they keep ignoring the fact that we have been warming from the COLDEST longest lasting period of the interglacial, the LIA was the main reason why those glaciers grew so much in Glacier National Park in the first place.

They didn't mention a word about the Holocene Optimism at all, where there were far less ice than now in North America and even at times NO summer ice in the Arctic ocean, yet here we are today with the large population of Polar Bears.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But somehow, in the AGW Bizzaroland, we're the anti-science deniers

 

[theHawk]

Uhh...glaciers have been melting for 12000 years. There have been times when it was much warmer than now and there was zero ice on the planet and there was more life than ever. But don’t let the scientific facts stop you from spreading fear about the planet naturally warming up.

This argument is the standard line from all deniers. You have bought into anti-science propaganda. Sad.

Two words, dipshit. Ice Ages.

Naturally cooled, got cold; naturally warmed, got hot. Freezing, thawing, freezing, thawing...in cycles with zero input from Homo sapiens at all. Oops, I’m sorry. Am I sounding like a denier while not denying anything?

Just a shame people like you are endangering future generations by impeding action on climate change.

The worst culprits of pollution are the Chinese. Yet who favors tariffs and moving manufacturing back to the US, and who is opposed to punishing China for their transgressions against the environment? It’s you regressives and globalist pigs that keep wanting to reward China.

Otherwise, what are you proposing? That we give up all forms of energy and go back to the stone ages?