free the people free the herb

[Dr.Drock]

I'm not the one who supports killing someone who steals a pack of gum on weed....

If that's actually what he thinks, the Nazi tagline is not an exaggeration.


If it's not what he thinks, I'd like to hear his position.

 

[Luissa]

I'm not the one who supports killing someone who steals a pack of gum on weed....

Really? reverse psychology now?

Reverse psychology?

You straight up said you would have all crimes committed while on drugs punishable by death. And you were calling ME and idiot

 

[Two Thumbs]

I think the drug users are like Jews and ya'll statist are looking more and more like Nazis.

They already can take away accused growers private property without due processof law . Shit, might as well get the ovens ready huh Fitz?

Well, I understand the 'blind' part of your name.

Now, is the part where I'm supposed to scream "Godwin!", and claim victory because you used a nazi reference? I forget how leftwing debate tactics work again. I'm trying to broaden my horizons and think outside my comfort zone.

Every Fascist society need a scapegoat. The Druggies are Americas'.

what a truly delusional and baseless accusation.

 

[Luissa]

I'm not the one who supports killing someone who steals a pack of gum on weed....

If that's actually what he thinks, the Nazi tagline is not an exaggeration.


If it's not what he thinks, I'd like to hear his position.

Here it is:

2. If you commit a crime in which you are stealing to support your addiction or under the influence of a drug, the punishment should be incredibly severe, to fatal.

3. Since I believe that life in prison without parole is cruel and unusual punishment, those sentences should be commuted to death.

Crimes while under the influence = death

 

[Dr.Drock]

I'm not the one who supports killing someone who steals a pack of gum on weed....

If that's actually what he thinks, the Nazi tagline is not an exaggeration.


If it's not what he thinks, I'd like to hear his position.

Here it is:

2. If you commit a crime in which you are stealing to support your addiction or under the influence of a drug, the punishment should be incredibly severe, to fatal.

3. Since I believe that life in prison without parole is cruel and unusual punishment, those sentences should be commuted to death.

Yeah I saw that, despicable, but I'll give him the opportunity to clarify what he was saying or admit that he made a mistake and went a little overboard.

 

[BlindBoo]

We're under 100 posts... go back, read, catch up with the conversation.

I don't have to, I'm not willing to conceed your "if". You support the draconian drug war and the big fascist governement that goes with it.

::inches nose::: IQs HAVE dropped sharply while I've been sitting here. maybe you should cut back a little in the morning?

Because I am speaking to the druggie advocates I'll make an enumerated list that is hopefully clarifies your understanding.

1. IF you want legalized drugs, I want the legal right to discriminate AGAINST drug Users and their behavior.

1a: This means I can refuse service, resources and association to you without repercussion.
1b: Your rights should be limited because you ARE a danger to society.
1c: You should not be able to drive, vote or receive aid from any taxpayer source in any form. Private charities with no tax support is another matter. I can avoid them

2. If you commit a crime in which you are stealing to support your addiction or under the influence of a drug, the punishment should be incredibly severe, to fatal.

3. Since I believe that life in prison without parole is cruel and unusual punishment, those sentences should be commuted to death.

4. I am very leery of legalizing drugs because of the following reasons.

4a: Government growth due to heavy taxation and new bureaucracies to administer the regulations.
4b: Government promotion of drug use BECAUSE they will earn gobs of money.
4c: The increase in power of the central government over drug users because they can threaten their addiction and therefore buy votes corruptly.
4d: Unless you make it a state's rights issue, and allow individual states to decide their own drug policy (thereby ending the national war on drugs) you will consolidate power all the more.
4e: The increase in crime due to intoxication increases similar to that spawned by alcohol.

5. Legalizing drug use is only a short distance away from obligating responsible citizenry to support drug users and thereby creating a net drain on the government for sociologically toxic and destructive behavior.

6. We are currently a morally weak nation that will not have the cojones to provide for wise, and firm regulation of this danger, which had been a real blight on society in the Victorian/Guilded age and we will revert back to those same problems.

<<>>

I have low hopes you druggies and their advocates and apologists actually GET these statements, but hope springs eternal.

1. As I pointed out in an earlier post we already have legal recreational drugs so your first point is moot.

2. The black market is the reason for high priced recreational drugs. Crimes commited by anyone should be punished according to the nature of the offense. DP? The ultimate ultimatium of the statist philosophy.

IMO the drain on society due to the interdiction and incarceration policies is greater than the adverse effects decriminalzation or legalization would have.

 

[American Cowboy]

Interteresting the only thing the Dems want less regulation on is Pot. They want to control everything else.

"If we can Keep the lazy bastards doped up and on Welfare they will do what we say." Joe Democrat

 

[BlindBoo]

Well, I understand the 'blind' part of your name.

Now, is the part where I'm supposed to scream "Godwin!", and claim victory because you used a nazi reference? I forget how leftwing debate tactics work again. I'm trying to broaden my horizons and think outside my comfort zone.

Every Fascist society need a scapegoat. The Druggies are Americas'.

what a truly delusional and baseless accusation.

Property is seized without due process (often without any process at all); innocents are hurt and killed in raids on the wrong homes; tens of thousands of people suffer nightmare brutality in prisons merely for possessing marijuana, a substance much less harmful than alcohol and tobacco; people of color are sent to jail in disproportionate numbers; mandatory sentencing guidelines take away all judicial discretion; the military is used against the citizens of the US; and the US supports and funds a secret war in South America. Meanwhile, law enforcement and, perhaps to a lesser extent, the judicial system, has become systematically infested with corruption due to the huge amounts of money involved in the illegal drug trade.

The people who started and continue to run this system call their efforts the “War on Drugs,” a metaphor that aptly describes the militaristic mindset that girds it. As in any war (even an unofficial one, declared unilaterally), loss of life among combatants is to be expected, but the killing of innocents, the arbitrary application of the law, the widespread corruption, and the destruction of Constitutional rights and international human rights cannot be excused or tolerated. So let us now judge the authorities using their own framework, that of war.

The Tribunal of US Drug War Crimes

 

[Luissa]

That was a quick delete Fitz.
Repost it, you know you wanna.
Own it.

 

[Big Fitz]

I'm not the one who supports killing someone who steals a pack of gum on weed....

If that's actually what he thinks, the Nazi tagline is not an exaggeration.


If it's not what he thinks, I'd like to hear his position.

Here it is:

2. If you commit a crime in which you are stealing to support your addiction or under the influence of a drug, the punishment should be incredibly severe, to fatal.

3. Since I believe that life in prison without parole is cruel and unusual punishment, those sentences should be commuted to death.

Crimes while under the influence = death

I think that we should make the academic requirements stricter for students.
I recommend that you support this because we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected.

Example of a red herring.

There's your repost.

 

[Big Fitz]

That was a quick delete Fitz.
Repost it, you know you wanna.
Own it.

Cranky because you're out of pot lulu?

This is known as an ad hominim attack.

 

[Luissa]

If that's actually what he thinks, the Nazi tagline is not an exaggeration.


If it's not what he thinks, I'd like to hear his position.

Here it is:

2. If you commit a crime in which you are stealing to support your addiction or under the influence of a drug, the punishment should be incredibly severe, to fatal.

3. Since I believe that life in prison without parole is cruel and unusual punishment, those sentences should be commuted to death.

Crimes while under the influence = death

I think that we should make the academic requirements stricter for students.
I recommend that you support this because we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected.

Example of a red herring.

That's much different that what you originally said and hastily deleted.

What was it again?

All warm blooded creatures are mammals.
All black dogs are mammals.
Therefor all black dogs are warm blooded.

That about right?

 

[Big Fitz]

Here it is:



Crimes while under the influence = death

I think that we should make the academic requirements stricter for students.
I recommend that you support this because we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected.

Example of a red herring.

That's much different that what you originally said and hastily deleted.

What was it again?

All warm blooded creatures are mammals.
All black dogs are mammals.
Therefor all black dogs are warm blooded.

That about right?

That's what I get for too fast a finger with a cut and paste.

But I notice that this, as my incorrect cut and paste exemplifies has nothing to do with the situation. Again, red herring.

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

I'm willing to concede this point if I have it codified into law that it is permitted to discriminate against druggies, and bar them from ALL public assistance, financial or material.

You wanna wreck your life, you don't get to do it at my expense OR in my proximity. I want the right to bar you from my property, access to my children, tax money, neigborhood, driving, workplace and government. You can avoid this by choosing to NOT be a dope....head.

Oh, and automatic death penalty for crimes committed for or while on drugs.

Do that and it fucks over all the right people. Drug growers, traffickers and foreign powers while protecting our rights and culls these assholes out of society.

Works for me. End welfare for anyone who tests positive, no assistance at all, whatsoever.

DP for crimes? A tad harsh. I'd say 25 years no parole.

Drug testing for welfare should absolutely be a requirement. I have to be drug tested for my job, my paycheck.

I've never understood the drive to hold drug users to higher level of accoutability over alcohol.

 

[Luissa]

I think that we should make the academic requirements stricter for students.
I recommend that you support this because we are in a budget crisis and we do not want our salaries affected.

Example of a red herring.

That's much different that what you originally said and hastily deleted.

What was it again?

All warm blooded creatures are mammals.
All black dogs are mammals.
Therefor all black dogs are warm blooded.

That about right?

That's what I get for too fast a finger with a cut and paste.

But I notice that this, as my incorrect cut and paste exemplifies has nothing to do with the situation. Again, red herring.

Everyone please avoid stepping in the bullshit.

 

[Big Fitz]

Works for me. End welfare for anyone who tests positive, no assistance at all, whatsoever.

DP for crimes? A tad harsh. I'd say 25 years no parole.

Drug testing for welfare should absolutely be a requirement. I have to be drug tested for my job, my paycheck.

I've never understood the drive to hold drug users to higher level of accoutability over alcohol.

So we should stop drug and alcohol testing professional drivers? They're being held to a higher standard and cannot be employed if they abuse either or use them on the job.

 

[Big Fitz]

That's much different that what you originally said and hastily deleted.

What was it again?

All warm blooded creatures are mammals.
All black dogs are mammals.
Therefor all black dogs are warm blooded.

That about right?

That's what I get for too fast a finger with a cut and paste.

But I notice that this, as my incorrect cut and paste exemplifies has nothing to do with the situation. Again, red herring.

Everyone please avoid stepping in the bullshit.

Wait. This is a victory? Wow... what a low threshold.

"He posted too quick! I win!"

Hence the lack of credibility I suspect.

But do keep walking that 'moral high road'. The strong backlighting makes you such a great target.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Interteresting the only thing the Dems want less regulation on is Pot. They want to control everything else.

"If we can Keep the lazy bastards doped up and on Welfare they will do what we say." Joe Democrat

You do make a valid point. Socialists/Progressives do push for Government dominance & control all the time. But when it comes to doing Drugs & killing babies,they do seem to change their tone quite a bit. In my opinion you don't get to have it both ways. Either you support aggressive Government intervention in Citzens' lives,or you don't. Socialists/Progressives want the Government controlling all aspects of Citizens' lives,so their stand on issues like this comes off as being pretty disingenuous & hypocritical. They're certainly not consistent.

 

[Kiki Cannoli]

Drug testing for welfare should absolutely be a requirement. I have to be drug tested for my job, my paycheck.

I've never understood the drive to hold drug users to higher level of accoutability over alcohol.

So we should stop drug and alcohol testing professional drivers? They're being held to a higher standard and cannot be employed if they abuse either or use them on the job.

nah, just that if drug tests are going to be administered to welfare recipients than so should alcohol tests.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Interteresting the only thing the Dems want less regulation on is Pot. They want to control everything else.

"If we can Keep the lazy bastards doped up and on Welfare they will do what we say." Joe Democrat

You do make a valid point. Socialists/Progressives do push for Government dominance & control all the time. But when it comes to doing Drugs & killing babies,they do seem to change their tone quite a bit. In my opinion you don't get to have it both ways. Either you support aggressive Government intervention in Citzens' lives,or you don't. Socialists/Progressives want the Government controlling all aspects of Citizens' lives,so their stand on issues like this comes off as being pretty disingenuous & hypocritical. They're certainly not consistent.

Neither side is, republicans want gov't out of their gun racks but they want the plants people grow in their yard regulated.

Libo you and I both know getting consistent principles out of either mainstream party is essentially impossible.