Fracking

[Freewill]

Once again the left wing liberals are going to take care of people. The ONLY good economic news in years is just too much for them they must interject their negativity. Primarily because they are jealous. They ain't getting any so why should anyone else? If they are getting land leases or royalties then they are the biggest hypocrites to walk the Earth.

Well water catching on fire has been going on as long as people have been drilling wells. Do you think that just because someone wants water and not gas the gas gives a crap? What I would do if gas started coming out my spigot is buy a gas furnace. I might try howling at the moon but I doubt that would be as effective. Or I might try and soak some money out of the local gas company, but I doubt it.

So some farmers are going to become rich and the left wing liberals can't stand it. It should be a cold dark world they live in. Not using energy and all. But I don't see any of them stop using their coal fired laptops.

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2011/0...8.html?sq=gasland&st=cse&scp=1&pagewanted=all

 

[ClosedCaption]

I think the inability to drink their own water might be more of an issue than jealousy.

 

[Mr. H.]

I think the inability to drink their own water might be more of an issue than jealousy.

Again, I'm interested in seeing documented and verified proof of that water contamination claim and that it was directly and irrefutably connected to the practice of hydraulic fracturing.

 

[Samson]

My question is how has Fracking been aloud? Millions of people have hads their water ruined, .

My question is why we pay attention to the extraordinarily ignorant arguements that those who oppose natural resource development and do not know the difference between the words "allowed" and, "aloud."

 

[Mr. H.]

Or fracking and fracing (the correct spelling).

 

[LogikAndReazon]

How comically illiterate.........

 

[Mr. H.]

Well, that's beside the point of the thread.

 

[Samson]

Well, that's beside the point of the thread.

Its beside the point of the entire activist community that opposes natural resource development.

 

[Mr. H.]

Well, that's beside the point of the thread.

Its beside the point of the entire activist community that opposes natural resource development.

"It's" not its.

 

[Samson]

Well, that's beside the point of the thread.

Its beside the point of the entire activist community that opposes natural resource development.

"It's" not its.

No, I refuse to acknowledge that everone cannot know "Its" is the contraction of "It is," without the use of the apostophe.

Its The New English.

 

[Mr. H.]

Illinois could be on the cusp of an energy revolution in terms of this state's hydrocarbon production, which began in 1853. Hydraulic fracturing has been in practice for 60 years without incident.

Granted these have been vertical frac completions, with more recent horizontal frac jobs being used. Where we are headed is into the realm of high-volume high-pressure horizontal fracturing which would also incorporate "slickwater" treatment. This method introduces trace chemicals in order to increase fluids flow. This itself is nothing new. But it's new to our state.

With few exceptions, existing DNR rules and regulations are sufficient for protecting groundwater during drilling and completion as well as production.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough" for the enviro-whackjobs and legislators who have no clue as to the process. They aren't even familiar with existing regulations.

So in a State that is dying on the vine on so many fronts - unemployment, flight of businesses, unfunded pensions, unpaid bills... we insist on shooting ourselves in the foot by over-regulating this practice that has proven itself in other states.

Many big players have already spent tens of millions of dollars on leases in hopes that the New Albany Shale will be economically productive. The Illinois Chamber of Commerce estimates that over 40,000 new and new-indirect jobs could be created with millions flowing into the treasury.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough". What I see happening are these companies getting very impatient and they are ready to say "fuck it" and leave. And that will leave us with nothing.

A few crazy ignorant fucking fools are holding everyone hostage. This could literally save Illinois...
but that's not "good enough".

Fuck it.

 

[OKTexas]

Sadly, many landowners have already signed land leases to hydraulic fracking companies - like Haliburton.

Big Oil Fracking Companies Screw Homeowners - YouTube

Fracking: The Haliburton Loophole That Poisons America's Drinking Water - YouTube

Your ignorance in showing again, Haliburton is an oil services company, they don't lease land for drilling, oil and gas companies do that. And I challenge you to provide on shred of evidence that any ground water has been effected by fracking that hasn't been debunked.

It's funny to see how you're so eager to swallow BS when it's warped in a nice package. You do know Graslands is fiction.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Illinois could be on the cusp of an energy revolution in terms of this state's hydrocarbon production, which began in 1853. Hydraulic fracturing has been in practice for 60 years without incident.

Granted these have been vertical frac completions, with more recent horizontal frac jobs being used. Where we are headed is into the realm of high-volume high-pressure horizontal fracturing which would also incorporate "slickwater" treatment. This method introduces trace chemicals in order to increase fluids flow. This itself is nothing new. But it's new to our state.

With few exceptions, existing DNR rules and regulations are sufficient for protecting groundwater during drilling and completion as well as production.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough" for the enviro-whackjobs and legislators who have no clue as to the process. They aren't even familiar with existing regulations.

So in a State that is dying on the vine on so many fronts - unemployment, flight of businesses, unfunded pensions, unpaid bills... we insist on shooting ourselves in the foot by over-regulating this practice that has proven itself in other states.

Many big players have already spent tens of millions of dollars on leases in hopes that the New Albany Shale will be economically productive. The Illinois Chamber of Commerce estimates that over 40,000 new and new-indirect jobs could be created with millions flowing into the treasury.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough". What I see happening are these companies getting very impatient and they are ready to say "fuck it" and leave. And that will leave us with nothing.

A few crazy ignorant fucking fools are holding everyone hostage. This could literally save Illinois...
but that's not "good enough".

Fuck it.

These whackjobs don't understand permeability and porosity, H. If you broke it down to as simple as 1+1 = 2, they still wouldn't get it. They don't understand that casing for is run through the drilled section of the water table.

 

[OKTexas]

The Environmental Protection Agency on Thursday linked hydraulic fracturing with groundwater contamination in Wyoming — a first-of-its-kind conclusion by the federal agency that could trigger new scrutiny of the practice used to extract oil and natural gas nationwide.
The EPA announced its findings as part of a three-year probe into possible water pollution in Pavillion, Wyo.
The agency said it discovered synthetic chemicals associated with gas production and hydraulic fracturing fluids inside deep water wells in the region.


Read more: EPA ties fracking to water pollution - San Antonio Express-News

I wouldn't put allot of faith in a preliminary report, even deep water wells are thousands of feet above oil and gas wells, especially in the Rockies.

 

[OKTexas]

Illinois could be on the cusp of an energy revolution in terms of this state's hydrocarbon production, which began in 1853. Hydraulic fracturing has been in practice for 60 years without incident.

Granted these have been vertical frac completions, with more recent horizontal frac jobs being used. Where we are headed is into the realm of high-volume high-pressure horizontal fracturing which would also incorporate "slickwater" treatment. This method introduces trace chemicals in order to increase fluids flow. This itself is nothing new. But it's new to our state.

With few exceptions, existing DNR rules and regulations are sufficient for protecting groundwater during drilling and completion as well as production.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough" for the enviro-whackjobs and legislators who have no clue as to the process. They aren't even familiar with existing regulations.

So in a State that is dying on the vine on so many fronts - unemployment, flight of businesses, unfunded pensions, unpaid bills... we insist on shooting ourselves in the foot by over-regulating this practice that has proven itself in other states.

Many big players have already spent tens of millions of dollars on leases in hopes that the New Albany Shale will be economically productive. The Illinois Chamber of Commerce estimates that over 40,000 new and new-indirect jobs could be created with millions flowing into the treasury.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough". What I see happening are these companies getting very impatient and they are ready to say "fuck it" and leave. And that will leave us with nothing.

A few crazy ignorant fucking fools are holding everyone hostage. This could literally save Illinois...
but that's not "good enough".

Fuck it.

These whackjobs don't understand permeability and porosity, H. If you broke it down to as simple as 1+1 = 2, they still wouldn't get it. They don't understand that casing for is run through the drilled section of the water table.

Not only casing but the casing in encased in concrete, which seals it in the bedrock and the fracking occurs thousand of feet below that.

 

[depotoo]

Illinois could be on the cusp of an energy revolution in terms of this state's hydrocarbon production, which began in 1853. Hydraulic fracturing has been in practice for 60 years without incident.

Granted these have been vertical frac completions, with more recent horizontal frac jobs being used. Where we are headed is into the realm of high-volume high-pressure horizontal fracturing which would also incorporate "slickwater" treatment. This method introduces trace chemicals in order to increase fluids flow. This itself is nothing new. But it's new to our state.

With few exceptions, existing DNR rules and regulations are sufficient for protecting groundwater during drilling and completion as well as production.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough" for the enviro-whackjobs and legislators who have no clue as to the process. They aren't even familiar with existing regulations.

So in a State that is dying on the vine on so many fronts - unemployment, flight of businesses, unfunded pensions, unpaid bills... we insist on shooting ourselves in the foot by over-regulating this practice that has proven itself in other states.

Many big players have already spent tens of millions of dollars on leases in hopes that the New Albany Shale will be economically productive. The Illinois Chamber of Commerce estimates that over 40,000 new and new-indirect jobs could be created with millions flowing into the treasury.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough". What I see happening are these companies getting very impatient and they are ready to say "fuck it" and leave. And that will leave us with nothing.

A few crazy ignorant fucking fools are holding everyone hostage. This could literally save Illinois...
but that's not "good enough".

Fuck it.

we had given one of our leases to the company in TX that was found NOT GUILTY of contaminating the water table there, one of the first such charges by the EPA. They were forced into not drilling in that area when renewals came up because they were having to deal with all the crap there and had not yet been exonerated. Once again government shows it doesn't know what the hell it is doing.

 

[Mr. H.]

Illinois could be on the cusp of an energy revolution in terms of this state's hydrocarbon production, which began in 1853. Hydraulic fracturing has been in practice for 60 years without incident.

Granted these have been vertical frac completions, with more recent horizontal frac jobs being used. Where we are headed is into the realm of high-volume high-pressure horizontal fracturing which would also incorporate "slickwater" treatment. This method introduces trace chemicals in order to increase fluids flow. This itself is nothing new. But it's new to our state.

With few exceptions, existing DNR rules and regulations are sufficient for protecting groundwater during drilling and completion as well as production.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough" for the enviro-whackjobs and legislators who have no clue as to the process. They aren't even familiar with existing regulations.

So in a State that is dying on the vine on so many fronts - unemployment, flight of businesses, unfunded pensions, unpaid bills... we insist on shooting ourselves in the foot by over-regulating this practice that has proven itself in other states.

Many big players have already spent tens of millions of dollars on leases in hopes that the New Albany Shale will be economically productive. The Illinois Chamber of Commerce estimates that over 40,000 new and new-indirect jobs could be created with millions flowing into the treasury.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough". What I see happening are these companies getting very impatient and they are ready to say "fuck it" and leave. And that will leave us with nothing.

A few crazy ignorant fucking fools are holding everyone hostage. This could literally save Illinois...
but that's not "good enough".

Fuck it.

we had given one of our leases to the company in TX that was found NOT GUILTY of contaminating the water table there, one of the first such charges by the EPA. They were forced into not drilling in that area when renewals came up because they were having to deal with all the crap there and had not yet been exonerated. Once again government shows it doesn't know what the hell it is doing.

Sounds like there is pending litigation. Or at least some loose ends to be resolved.
For your sake I hope it's cleared up and you're drilled up.
Good luck with all that.

 

[depotoo]

Illinois could be on the cusp of an energy revolution in terms of this state's hydrocarbon production, which began in 1853. Hydraulic fracturing has been in practice for 60 years without incident.

Granted these have been vertical frac completions, with more recent horizontal frac jobs being used. Where we are headed is into the realm of high-volume high-pressure horizontal fracturing which would also incorporate "slickwater" treatment. This method introduces trace chemicals in order to increase fluids flow. This itself is nothing new. But it's new to our state.

With few exceptions, existing DNR rules and regulations are sufficient for protecting groundwater during drilling and completion as well as production.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough" for the enviro-whackjobs and legislators who have no clue as to the process. They aren't even familiar with existing regulations.

So in a State that is dying on the vine on so many fronts - unemployment, flight of businesses, unfunded pensions, unpaid bills... we insist on shooting ourselves in the foot by over-regulating this practice that has proven itself in other states.

Many big players have already spent tens of millions of dollars on leases in hopes that the New Albany Shale will be economically productive. The Illinois Chamber of Commerce estimates that over 40,000 new and new-indirect jobs could be created with millions flowing into the treasury.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough". What I see happening are these companies getting very impatient and they are ready to say "fuck it" and leave. And that will leave us with nothing.

A few crazy ignorant fucking fools are holding everyone hostage. This could literally save Illinois...
but that's not "good enough".

Fuck it.

we had given one of our leases to the company in TX that was found NOT GUILTY of contaminating the water table there, one of the first such charges by the EPA. They were forced into not drilling in that area when renewals came up because they were having to deal with all the crap there and had not yet been exonerated. Once again government shows it doesn't know what the hell it is doing.

Sounds like there is pending litigation. Or at least some loose ends to be resolved.
For your sake I hope it's cleared up and you're drilled up.
Good luck with all that.

Government drops water pollution charges against Range | Reuters
Texas Officials Clear Gas Driller of Harming Water | The Texas Tribune
other than this?
And thanks. Me too!

 

[Mr. H.]

Fracking Linked To 2011 Oklahoma Earthquake...

Scienctists link 2011 Oklahoma quake to drilling waste injections
Tue Mar 26 2013 - WASHINGTON A team of scientists has determined that a 5.6 magnitude quake in Oklahoma in 2011 was caused when oil drilling waste was injected deep underground.

That makes it the most powerful quake to be blamed on deep injections of wastewater, although not everyone agrees. Oklahoma’s state seismologists say the quake was natural.

The Nov. 6 earthquake near Prague, Okla., injured two people, damaged 14 houses and was the strongest Midwestern quake in decades.

The new report says there was a smaller quake at the site of an old injection well, and that triggered the larger tremor. Records show the well pressure rising dramatically in 2006. The scientists say both combine to make a strong case that waste injections caused the quake.

The report was released Tuesday by the journal Geology.

Source

With deference (and kudos) to waltky - the best thread reviver evah...

until further review, I'll opt on the side of "natural".

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Illinois could be on the cusp of an energy revolution in terms of this state's hydrocarbon production, which began in 1853. Hydraulic fracturing has been in practice for 60 years without incident.

Granted these have been vertical frac completions, with more recent horizontal frac jobs being used. Where we are headed is into the realm of high-volume high-pressure horizontal fracturing which would also incorporate "slickwater" treatment. This method introduces trace chemicals in order to increase fluids flow. This itself is nothing new. But it's new to our state.

With few exceptions, existing DNR rules and regulations are sufficient for protecting groundwater during drilling and completion as well as production.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough" for the enviro-whackjobs and legislators who have no clue as to the process. They aren't even familiar with existing regulations.

So in a State that is dying on the vine on so many fronts - unemployment, flight of businesses, unfunded pensions, unpaid bills... we insist on shooting ourselves in the foot by over-regulating this practice that has proven itself in other states.

Many big players have already spent tens of millions of dollars on leases in hopes that the New Albany Shale will be economically productive. The Illinois Chamber of Commerce estimates that over 40,000 new and new-indirect jobs could be created with millions flowing into the treasury.

But that doesn't seem to be "good enough". What I see happening are these companies getting very impatient and they are ready to say "fuck it" and leave. And that will leave us with nothing.

A few crazy ignorant fucking fools are holding everyone hostage. This could literally save Illinois...
but that's not "good enough".

Fuck it.

These whackjobs don't understand permeability and porosity, H. If you broke it down to as simple as 1+1 = 2, they still wouldn't get it. They don't understand that casing for is run through the drilled section of the water table.

Not only casing but the casing in encased in concrete, which seals it in the bedrock and the fracking occurs thousand of feet below that.

Exactly and the fracturing may extend out from the lateral 400, 500 feet which still leaves thousands of feet unfractured. The gas has no way of escaping beyond the fracture due to the composition of the bedrock.