Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now POTUS was surveilled at any time. Full stop.

[Steve_McGarrett]

Even FoxNews is throwing our President under the short bus

Wrong! We are talking about one individual, vile homosexual Shepard Smith.

 

[gipper]

Donald Trump watched a Fox news commentator (editorialist) and because he doesn't know the difference between news and news commentary, construed it as fact rather than as the speculative and baseless editorial it was. Trump is likely not alone in thinking that editorial segments on Fox are news and not commentary.

Be that as it may, Trump, idiot that he is, by tweeting/repeating something he heard on television, managed to create an international row with the U.S.' most ardent ally. WTH? I'm sorry. That's just downright unacceptable in a POTUS. Hearing Napolitano's remarks, assuming Trump was of a mind to make something of it -- presumably political capital -- his duty as POTUS was to make sure that the information was indeed accurate and well founded.

Did he do that? Hell no! He did what his throngs of nitwit Trumpkins do: take what he heard on Fox as gospel and run with it, piss off our closest ally and send all branches of the government on what has been, in effect, the biggest "snipe hunt" in recent history. Trump wouldn't even own the fact of his failure to exhibit the barest modicum of intellectual responsibility, instead saying that people should reach out to Fox for more details.

And what did Fox have to say mere minutes after he did so?

​

"Fox News cannot confirm Judge Napolitano's commentary. Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now President of the United States was surveilled at any time in any way. Full stop."

Trump once again exhibits neither legitimate intelligence, nor keen leadership and communication skills, nor basic common sense, nor the barest shred of integrity. What we've just witnessed for TWO F*CKING WEEKS is the shenanigans of a ten year old.

• Just how damned stupid must one be to ascend to the presidency of the U.S. and yet not be able to discern and editorial from a news story?
• How can that man and all his top advisors -- all of whom have ready access to the best intelligence sources on the planet, to say nothing of the organizations that would have tactically orchestrated any such alleged surveillance -- not have any better sense than to try attributing the wiretapping/surveillance activity to the Brits because...wait for it....because some dude on television said so?
• How is it that so damn many American voters could not see the sheer idiocy that underpinned all the talk? Not see this sort of BS coming when for months on end they were told daily that this man is a loon?
• How can Spicer -- a man whom I know is not a complete idiot -- stand there every day and hear Trump's lies and misrepresentations and swear to them? He has to know that pretty much everything Trump says, other perhaps than his name, is emptier than a winter rain barrel. And yet he stands there and defends that BS. How can he live with himself? How can that man sleep at night? It's not as though he needs the job of Press Secretary or the money it pays.

Trump is green as a gourd and just as tasteless.

A lack of evidence does not preclude the existence of a thing.

What we do know....we know the Obama administration surveilled ALL Americans. We know Obie, as he was heading for the door, allowed multiple government agencies access to NSA spying....we know Obie renewed and expanded the Patriot Act, we know FISA warrants were generated, we know Obie spied on Merkel, Rosen, AP, Atkinson, and many others....and much much more.

It defies logic to believe Obie did NOT spy on Trump.

 

[Boss]

The New York Times article is about intercepted communications used by the FBI amid its investigation into some of Trump’s current and former aides — including Roger Stone, Carter Page and Paul Manafort — and their ties to Russia. It does not say whether the surveillance targeted Russians or Americans.

Nor does it say Trump and his campaign were under investigation or surveillance. In fact, the author stipulates: "It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself."

First of all, you contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. This simply defies logic. I don't know how else to categorize it. You're literally admitting there was an investigation with intercepted communication BUT there was no intercepted communication or investigation. Roger Stone, Carter Page and Paul Manafort are indeed Americans and they were part of the Trump campaign.

Secondly, you are posting a quote that infers there is no evidence the intercepted communications (which you deny happened) were about Trump's campaign or Trump himself... He never alleged it was. The ISSUE is not the PURPOSE of the intercepted communications.

If that is the standard, Richard Nixon could've simply said... Well, yeah... we WERE bugging the Watergate Hotel so we could gather intel on foreign operatives... had nothing to do with the DNC! And that would've sufficed as perfectly legitimate. The PURPOSE is NOT the ISSUE!

 

[gipper]

This is good....where there is smoke there is fire...but many on the Left don't know what this means...

Shattuck: For Obama, spying is nothing new

The Democrats want you to think this is a crazy conspiracy theory for an unhinged tweeting president.

But Obama has a rich legacy of using the federal government as a political weapon and it would be foolish to think he suddenly started restraining himself, when he was never held to account by either the media or Democrats in power.

Remember, Obama’s Justice Department secretly subpoenaed the private phone records of Associated Press editors and reporters. It was pure spying.

Fox News reporter James Rosen and his family were wiretapped.

Former CBS news reporter Sharyl Attkisson’s computer was hacked by the government.

Add to these incidents the harassment of conservative 501(c)(4) organizations by Obama’s IRS, and the mercenary nature of the Obama administration reveals itself.

We’re told Obama administration officials went to the FISA Court twice last year for warrants to conduct electronic surveillance on candidate Trump. Why?

The DNC leaks show that DNC staffers were formulating “Russia” attacks on Trump as far back as last April, with one email between two committee members reading “the pro-Russia stuff ties in pretty well to idea that Trump is too friendly with Putin/weak on Russia.”

Then there is the infamous “dossier” — anonymous reports that Trump campaign members were speaking to Russian officials with some frequency last year and the existence of wiretapped audio.

Obama’s spokesman issued a statement this weekend, declaring, “Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen.” A sentence carefully crafted with the precision of someone battening down the legal hatches.

 

[Dragonlady]

Loretta Lynch’s deafening silence throughout this whole episode is notable. As is the lack of media interest in getting her on the record. (As Rush says, the drive-bys are scared of the answers, so they avoid the questions).

Loretta Lynch has nothing to say because IT NEVER HAPPENED. Obama said nothing either. There is no point in dignifying these baseless accusations with a denial.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Donald Trump watched a Fox news commentator (editorialist) and because he doesn't know the difference between news and news commentary, construed it as fact rather than as the speculative and baseless editorial it was. Trump is likely not alone in thinking that editorial segments on Fox are news and not commentary.

Be that as it may, Trump, idiot that he is, by tweeting/repeating something he heard on television, managed to create an international row with the U.S.' most ardent ally. WTH? I'm sorry. That's just downright unacceptable in a POTUS. Hearing Napolitano's remarks, assuming Trump was of a mind to make something of it -- presumably political capital -- his duty as POTUS was to make sure that the information was indeed accurate and well founded.

Did he do that? Hell no! He did what his throngs of nitwit Trumpkins do: take what he heard on Fox as gospel and run with it, piss off our closest ally and send all branches of the government on what has been, in effect, the biggest "snipe hunt" in recent history. Trump wouldn't even own the fact of his failure to exhibit the barest modicum of intellectual responsibility, instead saying that people should reach out to Fox for more details.

And what did Fox have to say mere minutes after he did so?

​

"Fox News cannot confirm Judge Napolitano's commentary. Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now President of the United States was surveilled at any time in any way. Full stop."

Trump once again exhibits neither legitimate intelligence, nor keen leadership and communication skills, nor basic common sense, nor the barest shred of integrity. What we've just witnessed for TWO F*CKING WEEKS is the shenanigans of a ten year old.

• Just how damned stupid must one be to ascend to the presidency of the U.S. and yet not be able to discern and editorial from a news story?
• How can that man and all his top advisors -- all of whom have ready access to the best intelligence sources on the planet, to say nothing of the organizations that would have tactically orchestrated any such alleged surveillance -- not have any better sense than to try attributing the wiretapping/surveillance activity to the Brits because...wait for it....because some dude on television said so?
• How is it that so damn many American voters could not see the sheer idiocy that underpinned all the talk? Not see this sort of BS coming when for months on end they were told daily that this man is a loon?
• How can Spicer -- a man whom I know is not a complete idiot -- stand there every day and hear Trump's lies and misrepresentations and swear to them? He has to know that pretty much everything Trump says, other perhaps than his name, is emptier than a winter rain barrel. And yet he stands there and defends that BS. How can he live with himself? How can that man sleep at night? It's not as though he needs the job of Press Secretary or the money it pays.

Trump is green as a gourd and just as tasteless.

A lack of evidence does not preclude the existence of a thing.

What we do know....we know the Obama administration surveilled ALL Americans. We know Obie, as he was heading for the door, allowed multiple government agencies access to NSA spying....we know Obie renewed and expanded the Patriot Act, we know FISA warrants were generated, we know Obie spied on Merkel, Rosen, AP, Atkinson, and many others....and much much more.

It defies logic to believe Obie did NOT spy on Trump.

I believe Obama is now running a shadow presidency to block Trump as much as he can.

 

[imawhosure]

The New York Times article is about intercepted communications used by the FBI amid its investigation into some of Trump’s current and former aides — including Roger Stone, Carter Page and Paul Manafort — and their ties to Russia. It does not say whether the surveillance targeted Russians or Americans.

Nor does it say Trump and his campaign were under investigation or surveillance. In fact, the author stipulates: "It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself."

First of all, you contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. This simply defies logic. I don't know how else to categorize it. You're literally admitting there was an investigation with intercepted communication BUT there was no intercepted communication or investigation. Roger Stone, Carter Page and Paul Manafort are indeed Americans and they were part of the Trump campaign.

Secondly, you are posting a quote that infers there is no evidence the intercepted communications (which you deny happened) were about Trump's campaign or Trump himself... He never alleged it was. The ISSUE is not the PURPOSE of the intercepted communications.

If that is the standard, Richard Nixon could've simply said... Well, yeah... we WERE bugging the Watergate Hotel so we could gather intel on foreign operatives... had nothing to do with the DNC! And that would've sufficed as perfectly legitimate. The PURPOSE is NOT the ISSUE!

Hey Boss, do you notice a little, just one small missing piece of information the lefties leave out?

Tell them Boss, which MSM newspaper reported that information gleaned by the investigation was SHARED with officials in the Whitehouse. Give them 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.

To patriotic Americans, this is what is called a "smoking gun!"

To lefties, this is what is known as, "regular discourse in a totalitarian, socialist regime," so never mind, and move along so we can spin. Nothing to see here, let's all focus on Trump!


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[Boss]

Loretta Lynch has nothing to say because IT NEVER HAPPENED. Obama said nothing either. There is no point in dignifying these baseless accusations with a denial.

It's hilarious how the left is now throwing the entire left wing establishment media under the bus as Fake News and admitting the past 5 months they've promoted a false narrative with no basis in fact.... but I don't think it will save your bacon on this. There is too much documented evidence in the form of leaked intelligence which was obviously gathered through surveillance, whether legal or illegal. It's the entire underpinning of your fake Trump/Russia meme and the wheels are coming off.

But this does prove... and everyone on the left needs to pay attention... that whenever push comes to shove, these people will abandon you and throw you under the bus and not give it a thought.

 

[imawhosure]

Loretta Lynch has nothing to say because IT NEVER HAPPENED. Obama said nothing either. There is no point in dignifying these baseless accusations with a denial.

It's hilarious how the left is now throwing the entire left wing establishment media under the bus as Fake News and admitting the past 5 months they've promoted a false narrative with no basis in fact.... but I don't think it will save your bacon on this. There is too much documented evidence in the form of leaked intelligence which was obviously gathered through surveillance, whether legal or illegal. It's the entire underpinning of your fake Trump/Russia meme and the wheels are coming off.

But this does prove... and everyone on the left needs to pay attention... that whenever push comes to shove, these people will abandon you and throw you under the bus and not give it a thought.

Boss, do you believe as I do that the media is going to throw the Dems under the bus on this one?

People are going to take the fall for this, we just don't know who yet. I give it 6 weeks tops, and when it all comes out, for at least a week every lefty on here will put themselves in the witness protection program-)


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[Iceweasel]

Trump needs to keep his mouth shut

Truly, as POTUS, he shouldn't be quiescent. All he needs to do is make damn sure that everything he does say is rock solid not factually assailable. It's really that simple.

Who has done that? Certainly not the last guy. Popped off about all kinds of things he knew nothing about. Instantly took the side of a black malcontent college professor without having any facts but smeared police anyway.

 

[Penelope]

The New York Times article is about intercepted communications used by the FBI amid its investigation into some of Trump’s current and former aides — including Roger Stone, Carter Page and Paul Manafort — and their ties to Russia. It does not say whether the surveillance targeted Russians or Americans.

Nor does it say Trump and his campaign were under investigation or surveillance. In fact, the author stipulates: "It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself."

First of all, you contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. This simply defies logic. I don't know how else to categorize it. You're literally admitting there was an investigation with intercepted communication BUT there was no intercepted communication or investigation. Roger Stone, Carter Page and Paul Manafort are indeed Americans and they were part of the Trump campaign.

Secondly, you are posting a quote that infers there is no evidence the intercepted communications (which you deny happened) were about Trump's campaign or Trump himself... He never alleged it was. The ISSUE is not the PURPOSE of the intercepted communications.

If that is the standard, Richard Nixon could've simply said... Well, yeah... we WERE bugging the Watergate Hotel so we could gather intel on foreign operatives... had nothing to do with the DNC! And that would've sufficed as perfectly legitimate. The PURPOSE is NOT the ISSUE!

"It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself

Also they may of been monitoring Russia communication, not Americans. it didn't really say, except Trump is sprouting accusations, not fact.

 

[Boss]

Loretta Lynch has nothing to say because IT NEVER HAPPENED. Obama said nothing either. There is no point in dignifying these baseless accusations with a denial.

It's hilarious how the left is now throwing the entire left wing establishment media under the bus as Fake News and admitting the past 5 months they've promoted a false narrative with no basis in fact.... but I don't think it will save your bacon on this. There is too much documented evidence in the form of leaked intelligence which was obviously gathered through surveillance, whether legal or illegal. It's the entire underpinning of your fake Trump/Russia meme and the wheels are coming off.

But this does prove... and everyone on the left needs to pay attention... that whenever push comes to shove, these people will abandon you and throw you under the bus and not give it a thought.

Boss, do you believe as I do that the media is going to throw the Dems under the bus on this one?

People are going to take the fall for this, we just don't know who yet. I give it 6 weeks tops, and when it all comes out, for at least a week every lefty on here will put themselves in the witness protection program-)


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Obama is smart enough to have insulated himself from any culpability. Probably goes for the higher-ups in his administration as well. They will do the typical passing off the blame to one another and obfuscate their way through another investigation. In the end, there may be some underling who falls on the sword for this and that'll pretty much end it from a legal perspective. The Media will continue to push the left's narrative because that's who they are.

Ultimately, the voters are who will be influenced by this and it will play out in the 2018 midterms. I think this spells disaster for the Democrats. Obviously, they think otherwise. They believe that many Americans are upset with Trump and plan to go out and vote against him the first chance they have. I hope they continue thinking this is working for them. It's like they are 10 points behind and they're running the game clock out.

Now, I predict the 2018 elections will be a bloodbath for the Dems. At which time you will see a major pivot and complete reevaluation of their strategy going forward. You will begin to see fresh faces push forward with a renewed focus on issues and they will abandon this endless "Get Trumpism" we see today. They will still attack Trump but it will begin to focus on policy and direction again.

 

[Penelope]

Donald Trump watched a Fox news commentator (editorialist) and because he doesn't know the difference between news and news commentary, construed it as fact rather than as the speculative and baseless editorial it was. Trump is likely not alone in thinking that editorial segments on Fox are news and not commentary.

Be that as it may, Trump, idiot that he is, by tweeting/repeating something he heard on television, managed to create an international row with the U.S.' most ardent ally. WTH? I'm sorry. That's just downright unacceptable in a POTUS. Hearing Napolitano's remarks, assuming Trump was of a mind to make something of it -- presumably political capital -- his duty as POTUS was to make sure that the information was indeed accurate and well founded.

Did he do that? Hell no! He did what his throngs of nitwit Trumpkins do: take what he heard on Fox as gospel and run with it, piss off our closest ally and send all branches of the government on what has been, in effect, the biggest "snipe hunt" in recent history. Trump wouldn't even own the fact of his failure to exhibit the barest modicum of intellectual responsibility, instead saying that people should reach out to Fox for more details.

And what did Fox have to say mere minutes after he did so?

​

"Fox News cannot confirm Judge Napolitano's commentary. Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now President of the United States was surveilled at any time in any way. Full stop."

Trump once again exhibits neither legitimate intelligence, nor keen leadership and communication skills, nor basic common sense, nor the barest shred of integrity. What we've just witnessed for TWO F*CKING WEEKS is the shenanigans of a ten year old.

• Just how damned stupid must one be to ascend to the presidency of the U.S. and yet not be able to discern and editorial from a news story?
• How can that man and all his top advisors -- all of whom have ready access to the best intelligence sources on the planet, to say nothing of the organizations that would have tactically orchestrated any such alleged surveillance -- not have any better sense than to try attributing the wiretapping/surveillance activity to the Brits because...wait for it....because some dude on television said so?
• How is it that so damn many American voters could not see the sheer idiocy that underpinned all the talk? Not see this sort of BS coming when for months on end they were told daily that this man is a loon?
• How can Spicer -- a man whom I know is not a complete idiot -- stand there every day and hear Trump's lies and misrepresentations and swear to them? He has to know that pretty much everything Trump says, other perhaps than his name, is emptier than a winter rain barrel. And yet he stands there and defends that BS. How can he live with himself? How can that man sleep at night? It's not as though he needs the job of Press Secretary or the money it pays.

Trump is green as a gourd and just as tasteless.

A lack of evidence does not preclude the existence of a thing.

What we do know....we know the Obama administration surveilled ALL Americans. We know Obie, as he was heading for the door, allowed multiple government agencies access to NSA spying....we know Obie renewed and expanded the Patriot Act, we know FISA warrants were generated, we know Obie spied on Merkel, Rosen, AP, Atkinson, and many others....and much much more.

It defies logic to believe Obie did NOT spy on Trump.

I believe Obama is now running a shadow presidency to block Trump as much as he can.

As evidenced by????

 

[MrShangles]

All I know is that I'm an uneducated white man Trumpster and the president said he has proof and will lay it out at the hearing next week.
I don't have the clearance to see the classified evidence , do you?
So let's wait and see!


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[Boss]

The New York Times article is about intercepted communications used by the FBI amid its investigation into some of Trump’s current and former aides — including Roger Stone, Carter Page and Paul Manafort — and their ties to Russia. It does not say whether the surveillance targeted Russians or Americans.

Nor does it say Trump and his campaign were under investigation or surveillance. In fact, the author stipulates: "It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself."

First of all, you contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. This simply defies logic. I don't know how else to categorize it. You're literally admitting there was an investigation with intercepted communication BUT there was no intercepted communication or investigation. Roger Stone, Carter Page and Paul Manafort are indeed Americans and they were part of the Trump campaign.

Secondly, you are posting a quote that infers there is no evidence the intercepted communications (which you deny happened) were about Trump's campaign or Trump himself... He never alleged it was. The ISSUE is not the PURPOSE of the intercepted communications.

If that is the standard, Richard Nixon could've simply said... Well, yeah... we WERE bugging the Watergate Hotel so we could gather intel on foreign operatives... had nothing to do with the DNC! And that would've sufficed as perfectly legitimate. The PURPOSE is NOT the ISSUE!

"It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself

Also they may of been monitoring Russia communication, not Americans. it didn't really say, except Trump is sprouting accusations, not fact.

Trump never claimed the surveillance was about his campaign or himself. No one else has made that claim. It's superfluous. Trump just said there was intercepted communication (aka: wiretapping). So you admitting that happened but it wasn't about Trump or his campaign, is actually confirming exactly what the president charged.

And let's be clear, the basis for all of this is the reporting in the NY Times and other sources dating back to October. In the video I posted earlier, Shaun Spicer cites numerous media sources who've reported many details of this investigation. We also have a dozen or so instances of "leaks" which have come out since the inauguration, confirming that some kind of surveillance must've happened. Otherwise, how could the contents of private conversations been known? There's just not a rational way to dance around this.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Donald Trump watched a Fox news commentator (editorialist) and because he doesn't know the difference between news and news commentary, construed it as fact rather than as the speculative and baseless editorial it was. Trump is likely not alone in thinking that editorial segments on Fox are news and not commentary.

Be that as it may, Trump, idiot that he is, by tweeting/repeating something he heard on television, managed to create an international row with the U.S.' most ardent ally. WTH? I'm sorry. That's just downright unacceptable in a POTUS. Hearing Napolitano's remarks, assuming Trump was of a mind to make something of it -- presumably political capital -- his duty as POTUS was to make sure that the information was indeed accurate and well founded.

Did he do that? Hell no! He did what his throngs of nitwit Trumpkins do: take what he heard on Fox as gospel and run with it, piss off our closest ally and send all branches of the government on what has been, in effect, the biggest "snipe hunt" in recent history. Trump wouldn't even own the fact of his failure to exhibit the barest modicum of intellectual responsibility, instead saying that people should reach out to Fox for more details.

And what did Fox have to say mere minutes after he did so?

​

"Fox News cannot confirm Judge Napolitano's commentary. Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now President of the United States was surveilled at any time in any way. Full stop."

Trump once again exhibits neither legitimate intelligence, nor keen leadership and communication skills, nor basic common sense, nor the barest shred of integrity. What we've just witnessed for TWO F*CKING WEEKS is the shenanigans of a ten year old.

• Just how damned stupid must one be to ascend to the presidency of the U.S. and yet not be able to discern and editorial from a news story?
• How can that man and all his top advisors -- all of whom have ready access to the best intelligence sources on the planet, to say nothing of the organizations that would have tactically orchestrated any such alleged surveillance -- not have any better sense than to try attributing the wiretapping/surveillance activity to the Brits because...wait for it....because some dude on television said so?
• How is it that so damn many American voters could not see the sheer idiocy that underpinned all the talk? Not see this sort of BS coming when for months on end they were told daily that this man is a loon?
• How can Spicer -- a man whom I know is not a complete idiot -- stand there every day and hear Trump's lies and misrepresentations and swear to them? He has to know that pretty much everything Trump says, other perhaps than his name, is emptier than a winter rain barrel. And yet he stands there and defends that BS. How can he live with himself? How can that man sleep at night? It's not as though he needs the job of Press Secretary or the money it pays.

Trump is green as a gourd and just as tasteless.

A lack of evidence does not preclude the existence of a thing.

What we do know....we know the Obama administration surveilled ALL Americans. We know Obie, as he was heading for the door, allowed multiple government agencies access to NSA spying....we know Obie renewed and expanded the Patriot Act, we know FISA warrants were generated, we know Obie spied on Merkel, Rosen, AP, Atkinson, and many others....and much much more.

It defies logic to believe Obie did NOT spy on Trump.

I believe Obama is now running a shadow presidency to block Trump as much as he can.

As evidenced by????

For one, his proximity to the Hawaiian judge just days before that judge gummed up the works, and reports from with the Democratic Party that he is conducting things on the sly.

Perhaps circumstantial, but the nature of the Democrats and their leadership adds impetus to the belief.

 

[Penelope]

This is good....where there is smoke there is fire...but many on the Left don't know what this means...

Shattuck: For Obama, spying is nothing new

The Democrats want you to think this is a crazy conspiracy theory for an unhinged tweeting president.

But Obama has a rich legacy of using the federal government as a political weapon and it would be foolish to think he suddenly started restraining himself, when he was never held to account by either the media or Democrats in power.

Remember, Obama’s Justice Department secretly subpoenaed the private phone records of Associated Press editors and reporters. It was pure spying.

Fox News reporter James Rosen and his family were wiretapped.

Former CBS news reporter Sharyl Attkisson’s computer was hacked by the government.

Add to these incidents the harassment of conservative 501(c)(4) organizations by Obama’s IRS, and the mercenary nature of the Obama administration reveals itself.

We’re told Obama administration officials went to the FISA Court twice last year for warrants to conduct electronic surveillance on candidate Trump. Why?

The DNC leaks show that DNC staffers were formulating “Russia” attacks on Trump as far back as last April, with one email between two committee members reading “the pro-Russia stuff ties in pretty well to idea that Trump is too friendly with Putin/weak on Russia.”

Then there is the infamous “dossier” — anonymous reports that Trump campaign members were speaking to Russian officials with some frequency last year and the existence of wiretapped audio.

Obama’s spokesman issued a statement this weekend, declaring, “Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen.” A sentence carefully crafted with the precision of someone battening down the legal hatches.

Tom Shattuck | Boston Herald

I think I'll pass.

 

[gipper]

This is good....where there is smoke there is fire...but many on the Left don't know what this means...

Shattuck: For Obama, spying is nothing new

The Democrats want you to think this is a crazy conspiracy theory for an unhinged tweeting president.

But Obama has a rich legacy of using the federal government as a political weapon and it would be foolish to think he suddenly started restraining himself, when he was never held to account by either the media or Democrats in power.

Remember, Obama’s Justice Department secretly subpoenaed the private phone records of Associated Press editors and reporters. It was pure spying.

Fox News reporter James Rosen and his family were wiretapped.

Former CBS news reporter Sharyl Attkisson’s computer was hacked by the government.

Add to these incidents the harassment of conservative 501(c)(4) organizations by Obama’s IRS, and the mercenary nature of the Obama administration reveals itself.

We’re told Obama administration officials went to the FISA Court twice last year for warrants to conduct electronic surveillance on candidate Trump. Why?

The DNC leaks show that DNC staffers were formulating “Russia” attacks on Trump as far back as last April, with one email between two committee members reading “the pro-Russia stuff ties in pretty well to idea that Trump is too friendly with Putin/weak on Russia.”

Then there is the infamous “dossier” — anonymous reports that Trump campaign members were speaking to Russian officials with some frequency last year and the existence of wiretapped audio.

Obama’s spokesman issued a statement this weekend, declaring, “Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen.” A sentence carefully crafted with the precision of someone battening down the legal hatches.

Tom Shattuck | Boston Herald

I think I'll pass.

And....let's not forget that Big Ears used the IRS to silence his opposition prior to the 2012 election...where there is smoke there is fire...and nothing is more true when dealing with lying criminal politicians.

 

[Penelope]

The New York Times article is about intercepted communications used by the FBI amid its investigation into some of Trump’s current and former aides — including Roger Stone, Carter Page and Paul Manafort — and their ties to Russia. It does not say whether the surveillance targeted Russians or Americans.

Nor does it say Trump and his campaign were under investigation or surveillance. In fact, the author stipulates: "It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself."

First of all, you contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. This simply defies logic. I don't know how else to categorize it. You're literally admitting there was an investigation with intercepted communication BUT there was no intercepted communication or investigation. Roger Stone, Carter Page and Paul Manafort are indeed Americans and they were part of the Trump campaign.

Secondly, you are posting a quote that infers there is no evidence the intercepted communications (which you deny happened) were about Trump's campaign or Trump himself... He never alleged it was. The ISSUE is not the PURPOSE of the intercepted communications.

If that is the standard, Richard Nixon could've simply said... Well, yeah... we WERE bugging the Watergate Hotel so we could gather intel on foreign operatives... had nothing to do with the DNC! And that would've sufficed as perfectly legitimate. The PURPOSE is NOT the ISSUE!

"It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself

Also they may of been monitoring Russia communication, not Americans. it didn't really say, except Trump is sprouting accusations, not fact.

Trump never claimed the surveillance was about his campaign or himself. No one else has made that claim. It's superfluous. Trump just said there was intercepted communication (aka: wiretapping). So you admitting that happened but it wasn't about Trump or his campaign, is actually confirming exactly what the president charged.

And let's be clear, the basis for all of this is the reporting in the NY Times and other sources dating back to October. In the video I posted earlier, Shaun Spicer cites numerous media sources who've reported many details of this investigation. We also have a dozen or so instances of "leaks" which have come out since the inauguration, confirming that some kind of surveillance must've happened. Otherwise, how could the contents of private conversations been known? There's just not a rational way to dance around this.

The New York Times article is about intercepted communications used by the FBI amid its investigation into some of Trump’s current and former aides — including Roger Stone, Carter Page and Paul Manafort — and their ties to Russia. It does not say whether the surveillance targeted Russians or Americans.

Nor does it say Trump and his campaign were under investigation or surveillance. In fact, the author stipulates: "It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself."

First of all, you contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. This simply defies logic. I don't know how else to categorize it. You're literally admitting there was an investigation with intercepted communication BUT there was no intercepted communication or investigation. Roger Stone, Carter Page and Paul Manafort are indeed Americans and they were part of the Trump campaign.

Secondly, you are posting a quote that infers there is no evidence the intercepted communications (which you deny happened) were about Trump's campaign or Trump himself... He never alleged it was. The ISSUE is not the PURPOSE of the intercepted communications.

If that is the standard, Richard Nixon could've simply said... Well, yeah... we WERE bugging the Watergate Hotel so we could gather intel on foreign operatives... had nothing to do with the DNC! And that would've sufficed as perfectly legitimate. The PURPOSE is NOT the ISSUE!

"It is not clear whether the intercepted communications had anything to do with Mr. Trump’s campaign, or Mr. Trump himself

Also they may of been monitoring Russia communication, not Americans. it didn't really say, except Trump is sprouting accusations, not fact.

Trump never claimed the surveillance was about his campaign or himself. No one else has made that claim. It's superfluous. Trump just said there was intercepted communication (aka: wiretapping). So you admitting that happened but it wasn't about Trump or his campaign, is actually confirming exactly what the president charged.

And let's be clear, the basis for all of this is the reporting in the NY Times and other sources dating back to October. In the video I posted earlier, Shaun Spicer cites numerous media sources who've reported many details of this investigation. We also have a dozen or so instances of "leaks" which have come out since the inauguration, confirming that some kind of surveillance must've happened. Otherwise, how could the contents of private conversations been known? There's just not a rational way to dance around this.

His phones, sure he did. He needs to apologize to former Pres. Obama.

 

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Donald Trump watched a Fox news commentator (editorialist) and because he doesn't know the difference between news and news commentary, construed it as fact rather than as the speculative and baseless editorial it was. Trump is likely not alone in thinking that editorial segments on Fox are news and not commentary.

Be that as it may, Trump, idiot that he is, by tweeting/repeating something he heard on television, managed to create an international row with the U.S.' most ardent ally. WTH? I'm sorry. That's just downright unacceptable in a POTUS. Hearing Napolitano's remarks, assuming Trump was of a mind to make something of it -- presumably political capital -- his duty as POTUS was to make sure that the information was indeed accurate and well founded.

Did he do that? Hell no! He did what his throngs of nitwit Trumpkins do: take what he heard on Fox as gospel and run with it, piss off our closest ally and send all branches of the government on what has been, in effect, the biggest "snipe hunt" in recent history. Trump wouldn't even own the fact of his failure to exhibit the barest modicum of intellectual responsibility, instead saying that people should reach out to Fox for more details.

And what did Fox have to say mere minutes after he did so?

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"Fox News cannot confirm Judge Napolitano's commentary. Fox News knows of no evidence of any kind that the now President of the United States was surveilled at any time in any way. Full stop."

Trump once again exhibits neither legitimate intelligence, nor keen leadership and communication skills, nor basic common sense, nor the barest shred of integrity. What we've just witnessed for TWO F*CKING WEEKS is the shenanigans of a ten year old.

• Just how damned stupid must one be to ascend to the presidency of the U.S. and yet not be able to discern and editorial from a news story?
• How can that man and all his top advisors -- all of whom have ready access to the best intelligence sources on the planet, to say nothing of the organizations that would have tactically orchestrated any such alleged surveillance -- not have any better sense than to try attributing the wiretapping/surveillance activity to the Brits because...wait for it....because some dude on television said so?
• How is it that so damn many American voters could not see the sheer idiocy that underpinned all the talk? Not see this sort of BS coming when for months on end they were told daily that this man is a loon?
• How can Spicer -- a man whom I know is not a complete idiot -- stand there every day and hear Trump's lies and misrepresentations and swear to them? He has to know that pretty much everything Trump says, other perhaps than his name, is emptier than a winter rain barrel. And yet he stands there and defends that BS. How can he live with himself? How can that man sleep at night? It's not as though he needs the job of Press Secretary or the money it pays.

Trump is green as a gourd and just as tasteless.

A lack of evidence does not preclude the existence of a thing.

Like Peter Pan. I mean just because there is no evidence that he exists doesn't mean he doesn't man.