Founding Fathers: Fedgov has NO AUTHORITY to interdict, detain and deport "illegal Aliens"

[Contumacious]

Thomas Jefferson Founding Father and 3rd President :

4. _Resolved_, That alien friends are under the jurisdiction and protection of the laws of the State wherein they are: that no power over them has been delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the individual States, distinct from their power over citizens. And it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," the act of the Congress of the United States, passed on the -- day of July, 1798, intituled "An Act concerning aliens," which assumes powers over alien friends, not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void, and of no force.


6. _Resolved_, That the imprisonment of a person under the protection of the laws of this commonwealth, on his failure to obey the simple _order_ of the President to depart out of the United States, as is undertaken by said act intituled "An Act concerning aliens," is contrary to the Constitution, one amendment to which has provided that "no person shall be deprived of liberty without due process of law;" and that another having provided that "in all criminal prosecutions the accused shall enjoy the right to public trial by an impartial jury, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence," the same act, undertaking to authorize the President to remove a person out of the United States, who is under the protection of the law, on his own suspicion, without accusation, without jury, without public trial, without confrontation of the witnesses against him, without hearing witnesses in his favor, without defence, without counsel, is contrary to the provision also of the Constitution, is therefore not law, but utterly void, and of no force: that transferring the power of judging any person, who is under the protection of the laws, from the courts to the President of the United States, as is undertaken by the same act concerning aliens, is against the article of the Constitution which provides that "the judicial power of the United States shall be vested in courts, the judges of which shall hold their offices during good behavior;" and that the said act is void for that reason also. And it is further to be noted, that this transfer of judiciary power is to that magistrate of the General Government who already possesses all the Executive, and a negative on all legislative powers.


SO the "authority" is yet another power USURPED by the continuing criminal enterprise

 

[JakeStarkey]

Shut up. You try human intelligence. The founding fathers would deport you, Conty. Of course the federal government has the right to set the policy on immigration.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

The tenth amendment says any power not delegated to the feds nor denied the states is retained by the states. Since the constitution only grants the feds authority "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization", and says nothing about the deportation process, that means deportation is a state function.

 

[Contumacious]

Jefferson position has been confirmed by the US Supreme Court


BOYD v. NEBRASKA EX REL. THAYER., 12 S. Ct. 375, 143 U.S. 135 (U.S. 02/01/1892)

MR. CHIEF JUSTICE FULLER delivered the opinion of the court.


"For, previous to the adoption of the Constitution of the United States, every State had the undoubted right to confer on whomsoever it pleased the character of citizen, and to endow him with all its rights. But this character of course was confined to the boundaries of the State, and gave him no rights or privileges in other States beyond those secured to him by the laws of nations and the comity of States. Nor have the several States surrendered the power of conferring these rights and privileges by adopting the Constitution of the United States."

 

[Contumacious]

BOYD v. NEBRASKA EX REL. THAYER., 12 S. Ct. 375, 143 U.S. 135 (U.S. 02/01/1892)



MR. CHIEF JUSTICE FULLER delivered the opinion of the court.

For, previous to the adoption of the Constitution of the United States, every State had the undoubted right to confer on whomsoever it pleased the character of citizen, and to endow him with all its rights. But this character of course was confined to the boundaries of the State, and gave him no rights or privileges in other States beyond those secured to him by the laws of nations and the comity of States. Nor have the several States surrendered the power of conferring these rights and privileges by adopting the Constitution of the United States."


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[RKMBrown]

Thomas Jefferson Founding Father and 3rd President :

4. _Resolved_, That alien friends are under the jurisdiction and protection of the laws of the State wherein they are: that no power over them has been delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the individual States, distinct from their power over citizens. And it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," the act of the Congress of the United States, passed on the -- day of July, 1798, intituled "An Act concerning aliens," which assumes powers over alien friends, not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void, and of no force.


6. _Resolved_, That the imprisonment of a person under the protection of the laws of this commonwealth, on his failure to obey the simple _order_ of the President to depart out of the United States, as is undertaken by said act intituled "An Act concerning aliens," is contrary to the Constitution, one amendment to which has provided that "no person shall be deprived of liberty without due process of law;" and that another having provided that "in all criminal prosecutions the accused shall enjoy the right to public trial by an impartial jury, to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation, to be confronted with the witnesses against him, to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence," the same act, undertaking to authorize the President to remove a person out of the United States, who is under the protection of the law, on his own suspicion, without accusation, without jury, without public trial, without confrontation of the witnesses against him, without hearing witnesses in his favor, without defence, without counsel, is contrary to the provision also of the Constitution, is therefore not law, but utterly void, and of no force: that transferring the power of judging any person, who is under the protection of the laws, from the courts to the President of the United States, as is undertaken by the same act concerning aliens, is against the article of the Constitution which provides that "the judicial power of the United States shall be vested in courts, the judges of which shall hold their offices during good behavior;" and that the said act is void for that reason also. And it is further to be noted, that this transfer of judiciary power is to that magistrate of the General Government who already possesses all the Executive, and a negative on all legislative powers.


SO the "authority" is yet another power USURPED by the continuing criminal enterprise

Yes the revolutionary war amendments essentially broke the back of statehood.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The tenth amendment says any power not delegated to the feds nor denied the states is retained by the states. Since the constitution only grants the feds authority "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization", and says nothing about the deportation process, that means deportation is a state function.

Nope. The Constitution, giving the national government the right "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization", implicitly recognizes the national authrority over the states in these matters.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

The tenth amendment says any power not delegated to the feds nor denied the states is retained by the states. Since the constitution only grants the feds authority "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization", and says nothing about the deportation process, that means deportation is a state function.

Nope. The Constitution, giving the national government the right "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization", implicitly recognizes the national authrority over the states in these matters.

That is kind of the standard answer from the left on everything.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That, SD, is the standard answer from right to left who understand the Constitution.

 

[Contumacious]

The tenth amendment says any power not delegated to the feds nor denied the states is retained by the states. Since the constitution only grants the feds authority "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization", and says nothing about the deportation process, that means deportation is a state function.

Nope. The Constitution, giving the national government the right "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization", implicitly recognizes the national authrority over the states in these matters.

Can you read English yet?


Congress authority is limited to those seeking US CITIZENSHIP.

Those who want just California citizenship are not affected.


Try, do try to get through your thick skull that in 1787 the States were FREE INDEPENDENT SOVEREIGN NATIONS . Those sovereign states have never surrendered their authority to grant state citizenship.


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[JakeStarkey]

I can read well enough to know that you, Conty, are not an authority, as well as to know why you want a very weak government. Want to share?

 

[Contumacious]

I can read well enough to know that you, Conty, are not an authority, as well as to know why you want a very weak government. Want to share?

I want a weak government because if Jake Starkiev is found to have suffered a bullet wound between his beady eyes I want no investigation, no prosecution, no trial, and no punishment.

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[RodISHI]

"Founding Fathers: Fedgov has NO AUTHORITY to interdict, detain and deport "illegal Aliens"

If this is the case the feds all need to clean out their desk, pick up their marbles, pack it up and go home. The citizens on the other hand should fully arm themselves and prepare for full anarchy to ensue.

 

[Contumacious]

"Founding Fathers: Fedgov has NO AUTHORITY to interdict, detain and deport "illegal Aliens"

If this is the case the feds all need to clean out their desk, pick up their marbles, pack it up and go home. The citizens on the other hand should fully arm themselves and prepare for full anarchy to ensue.

Is that because the Great Sioux Nation was required to do just that despite numerous treaties?


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[RodISHI]

"Founding Fathers: Fedgov has NO AUTHORITY to interdict, detain and deport "illegal Aliens"

If this is the case the feds all need to clean out their desk, pick up their marbles, pack it up and go home. The citizens on the other hand should fully arm themselves and prepare for full anarchy to ensue.

Is that because the Great Sioux Nation was required to do just that despite numerous treaties?


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You want to hold me to something that happened a hundred of years ago? Governments can be corrupted. It is pretty simple. Just a step here and a step there and the results ensue. The Cherokee were also over run. My greats were from both sides. One coming off the boat and the ones greeting those who came off of the boat. So they lived together and the results are living all over this great land. We are not in the position to change the past but people all through the country can all work together to change the direction of the future.

 

[Contumacious]

"Founding Fathers: Fedgov has NO AUTHORITY to interdict, detain and deport "illegal Aliens"

If this is the case the feds all need to clean out their desk, pick up their marbles, pack it up and go home. The citizens on the other hand should fully arm themselves and prepare for full anarchy to ensue.

Is that because the Great Sioux Nation was required to do just that despite numerous treaties?


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You want to hold me to something that happened a hundred of years ago? Governments can be corrupted. It is pretty simple. Just a step here and a step there and the results ensue. The Cherokee were also over run. My greats were from both sides. One coming off the boat and the ones greeting those who came off of the boat. So they lived together and the results are living all over this great land. We are not in the position to change the past but people all through the country can all work together to change the direction of the future.

Well, we agree.

I have been here 65 years.

Aliens have not adversely affected my right to life, liberty, property and to pursue happiness.


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