Founding Fathers Battle Gun Control From The Grave!

[biblical]

Founding fathers battle gun grabbers from the grave - special report(infowars.com)

- [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx4xjxmPwQo]Founding Fathers Battle Gun Grabbers From the Grave - YouTube[/ame]




Proof The Founders Wanted Americans Well Armed:
- » Proof: The Founders Wanted Americans Armed Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

 

[jillian]

i can't watch youtube here, but are you sure you didn't mean to put that into the humor section?

 

[biblical]

i can't watch youtube here, but are you sure you didn't mean to put that into the humor section?

You can watch the very same video in the second link below the first link, which also has text from the video. My original post is not humor and it is in the right section.

 

[georgephillip]

Maybe this should be in the humor forum?

"Political Media, a conservative action group, decided to try to make an appeal to win the hearts and minds of Americans everywhere by declaring January 19th – previously known as Martin Luther King Day, to the rest of us – to be 'Gun Appreciation Day.'"

How did the big event turn out?

"...Well, then they go and actually hold their 'Gun Appreciation Day' rallies all over the country, on Martin Luther King Day. And what happens? Five people get accidentally shot!

Maybe a few Republicans have found a solution to their demographic problem?

Conservatives Have Their Worst Week Ever | Common Dreams

 

[CoolBreeze]

1. Operative Clause.

a. “Right of the People.” The first salient feature of the operative clause is that it codifies a “right of the people.” The unamended Constitution and the Bill of Rights use the phrase “right of the people” two other times, in the First Amendment ’s Assembly-and-Petition Clause and in the Fourth Amendment ’s Search-and-Seizure Clause. The Ninth Amendment uses very similar terminology (“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people&#8221. All three of these instances unambiguously refer to individual rights, not “collective” rights, or rights that may be exercised only through participation in some corporate body.5

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

[quote Justice Alito delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Parts I, II–A, II–B, II–D, III–A, and III–B, concluding that the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment right, recognized in Heller, to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-defense. Pp. 5–9, 11–19, 19–33. [/quote]

Mv. CHICAGO

So case law shows that the Second Amendment is an individual right and not a collective right as the left would have us to believe.

 

[georgephillip]

"The District of Columbia generally prohibits the possession of handguns. It is a crime to carry an unregistered firearm, and the registration of handguns is prohibited."

Why is the right confused about the collective responsibility to register the arms they bear?

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

 

[Uncensored2008]

You can watch the very same video in the second link below the first link, which also has text from the video. My original post is not humor and it is in the right section.

A lot of bastard IT guys (like me) block YouTube in the workplace. I block a LOT of content that people here assume I see. I'm sure the same is true with Jillian.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Maybe this should be in the humor forum?

"Political Media, a conservative action group, decided to try to make an appeal to win the hearts and minds of Americans everywhere by declaring January 19th – previously known as Martin Luther King Day, to the rest of us – to be 'Gun Appreciation Day.'"

How did the big event turn out?

"...Well, then they go and actually hold their 'Gun Appreciation Day' rallies all over the country, on Martin Luther King Day. And what happens? Five people get accidentally shot!

Maybe a few Republicans have found a solution to their demographic problem?

Conservatives Have Their Worst Week Ever | Common Dreams

Sure, it's not like Communist Dreams would lie..

 

[Uncensored2008]

 

[TruthSeeker56]

"The District of Columbia generally prohibits the possession of handguns. It is a crime to carry an unregistered firearm, and the registration of handguns is prohibited."

Why is the right confused about the collective responsibility to register the arms they bear?

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

Wow, that's great!

So what you are saying is that, since D.C. prohibits the possession of handguns, there are NO CRIMES committed with handguns in D.C. After all, the law is the law.

D.C. must be an extremely safe place to live.

 

[georgephillip]

Maybe this should be in the humor forum?

"Political Media, a conservative action group, decided to try to make an appeal to win the hearts and minds of Americans everywhere by declaring January 19th – previously known as Martin Luther King Day, to the rest of us – to be 'Gun Appreciation Day.'"

How did the big event turn out?

"...Well, then they go and actually hold their 'Gun Appreciation Day' rallies all over the country, on Martin Luther King Day. And what happens? Five people get accidentally shot!

Maybe a few Republicans have found a solution to their demographic problem?

Conservatives Have Their Worst Week Ever | Common Dreams

Sure, it's not like Communist Dreams would lie..

"In Ohio, a gun dealer was 'checking out' a semi-automatic handgun he'd brought to a show at the Medina County Fairgrounds when he 'accidentally' pulled the trigger, forgetting that, while he'd removed the magazine, he'd left a round in the chamber.

"According to the local police chief, the bullet 'struck the floor, then a longtime friend of the gun dealer. The man was wounded in the arm and leg.'

"The man was rushed by helicopter to a hospital in Cleveland. I sure hope that dude has private health insurance that he paid for.

"If it turns out that taxpayers had to foot the bill for a freaking helicopter flight to rescue the friend of some gun-toting conservative who decided to protest the socialist Obama administration by accidentally shooting a pal on Martin Luther King Day, that would be some kind of embarrassing, wouldn't it?

Have you seriously considered the possibility that History's embarrassed by today's conservatives?

Conservatives Have Their Worst Week Ever | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone

 

[georgephillip]

"The District of Columbia generally prohibits the possession of handguns. It is a crime to carry an unregistered firearm, and the registration of handguns is prohibited."

Why is the right confused about the collective responsibility to register the arms they bear?

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

Wow, that's great!

So what you are saying is that, since D.C. prohibits the possession of handguns, there are NO CRIMES committed with handguns in D.C. After all, the law is the law.

D.C. must be an extremely safe place to live.

"...(s)ince DC prohibits the possession of handguns, there are NO CRIMES committed with handguns in DC." That would be your understanding, not mine. I was questioning why conservatives have a problem with registering their guns.

 

[tjvh]

Maybe this should be in the humor forum?

"Political Media, a conservative action group, decided to try to make an appeal to win the hearts and minds of Americans everywhere by declaring January 19th – previously known as Martin Luther King Day, to the rest of us – to be 'Gun Appreciation Day.'"

How did the big event turn out?

"...Well, then they go and actually hold their 'Gun Appreciation Day' rallies all over the country, on Martin Luther King Day. And what happens? Five people get accidentally shot!

Maybe a few Republicans have found a solution to their demographic problem?

Conservatives Have Their Worst Week Ever | Common Dreams

Sure, it's not like Communist Dreams would lie..

"In Ohio, a gun dealer was 'checking out' a semi-automatic handgun he'd brought to a show at the Medina County Fairgrounds when he 'accidentally' pulled the trigger, forgetting that, while he'd removed the magazine, he'd left a round in the chamber.

"According to the local police chief, the bullet 'struck the floor, then a longtime friend of the gun dealer. The man was wounded in the arm and leg.'

"The man was rushed by helicopter to a hospital in Cleveland. I sure hope that dude has private health insurance that he paid for.

"If it turns out that taxpayers had to foot the bill for a freaking helicopter flight to rescue the friend of some gun-toting conservative who decided to protest the socialist Obama administration by accidentally shooting a pal on Martin Luther King Day, that would be some kind of embarrassing, wouldn't it?

Have you seriously considered the possibility that History's embarrassed by today's conservatives?

Conservatives Have Their Worst Week Ever | Matt Taibbi | Rolling Stone

Our forefathers would be disgusted that there are actually Americans who would place their twisted ideologies above the Constitution. Our Forefathers fought hard to ensure that even Liberal Americans remained Free from tyranny... Liberal Americans who now openly embrace tyranny as part of their ridiculously irrational Utopian dream... It's sickening.

 

[Tech_Esq]

"The District of Columbia generally prohibits the possession of handguns. It is a crime to carry an unregistered firearm, and the registration of handguns is prohibited."

Why is the right confused about the collective responsibility to register the arms they bear?

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

Wow, that's great!

So what you are saying is that, since D.C. prohibits the possession of handguns, there are NO CRIMES committed with handguns in D.C. After all, the law is the law.

D.C. must be an extremely safe place to live.

"...(s)ince DC prohibits the possession of handguns, there are NO CRIMES committed with handguns in DC." That would be your understanding, not mine. I was questioning why conservatives have a problem with registering their guns.

You want to know why conservatives (and any other person who understands why the 2nd Amendment exists) has a problem with registration? This is why:

Daily Kos lays out how Gun Confiscation can work in America

It all starts with registration. First you make law abiding citizens criminals or targets. Their choice. If you don't comply, you are ipso facto a criminal. If you do comply, the government knows who has guns and what guns they are. So, if the government ever gets tired of citizens having guns they can send a half dozen people to each location in the middle of then night and remove them. Well, that's "a way" far be it from me to tell them the best way to grab guns. At any rate, the Daily Kos lays it all out for you in a nice neat package.

Guns must never be registered. They must stay an amorphous and dangerous cloud on the horizon to politicians. Nothing they can truly quantify or control. If not, we'll be like the UK where you can't have anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler on you. Even that you need to register. The fact that they leave the smaller and weaker to the tender mercies of the bigger and stronger is only the tip of the iceberg given the abuse the government is willing to pile on to the defenseless population.

 

[georgephillip]

Wow, that's great!

So what you are saying is that, since D.C. prohibits the possession of handguns, there are NO CRIMES committed with handguns in D.C. After all, the law is the law.

D.C. must be an extremely safe place to live.

"...(s)ince DC prohibits the possession of handguns, there are NO CRIMES committed with handguns in DC." That would be your understanding, not mine. I was questioning why conservatives have a problem with registering their guns.

You want to know why conservatives (and any other person who understands why the 2nd Amendment exists) has a problem with registration? This is why:

Daily Kos lays out how Gun Confiscation can work in America

It all starts with registration. First you make law abiding citizens criminals or targets. Their choice. If you don't comply, you are ipso facto a criminal. If you do comply, the government knows who has guns and what guns they are. So, if the government ever gets tired of citizens having guns they can send a half dozen people to each location in the middle of then night and remove them. Well, that's "a way" far be it from me to tell them the best way to grab guns. At any rate, the Daily Kos lays it all out for you in a nice neat package.

Guns must never be registered. They must stay an amorphous and dangerous cloud on the horizon to politicians. Nothing they can truly quantify or control. If not, we'll be like the UK where you can't have anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler on you. Even that you need to register. The fact that they leave the smaller and weaker to the tender mercies of the bigger and stronger is only the tip of the iceberg given the abuse the government is willing to pile on to the defenseless population.

You worry about a "half-dozen people" arriving in the middle of the night to confiscate over 300 million private guns? Any US government that "ever gets tired of citizens having guns" will vanish from the page of time faster than bin Laden.

Your link:

"The only way we can truly be safe and prevent further gun violence is to ban civilian ownership of all guns. That means everything. No pistols, no revolvers, no semiautomatic or automatic rifles. No bolt action. No breaking actions or falling blocks. Nothing. This is the only thing that we can possibly do to keep our children safe from both mass murder and common street violence."

This isn't likely to happen anywhere there's a Constitutional guarantee for the private ownership of guns; it's more likely, IMHO, we would see a right-wing demagogue like Hitler rise and encourage conservative gun owners to declare open season on anonymous Daily Kos bloggers.

 

[Tech_Esq]

"...(s)ince DC prohibits the possession of handguns, there are NO CRIMES committed with handguns in DC." That would be your understanding, not mine. I was questioning why conservatives have a problem with registering their guns.

You want to know why conservatives (and any other person who understands why the 2nd Amendment exists) has a problem with registration? This is why:

Daily Kos lays out how Gun Confiscation can work in America

It all starts with registration. First you make law abiding citizens criminals or targets. Their choice. If you don't comply, you are ipso facto a criminal. If you do comply, the government knows who has guns and what guns they are. So, if the government ever gets tired of citizens having guns they can send a half dozen people to each location in the middle of then night and remove them. Well, that's "a way" far be it from me to tell them the best way to grab guns. At any rate, the Daily Kos lays it all out for you in a nice neat package.

Guns must never be registered. They must stay an amorphous and dangerous cloud on the horizon to politicians. Nothing they can truly quantify or control. If not, we'll be like the UK where you can't have anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler on you. Even that you need to register. The fact that they leave the smaller and weaker to the tender mercies of the bigger and stronger is only the tip of the iceberg given the abuse the government is willing to pile on to the defenseless population.

You worry about a "half-dozen people" arriving in the middle of the night to confiscate over 300 million private guns? Any US government that "ever gets tired of citizens having guns" will vanish from the page of time faster than bin Laden.

Your link:

"The only way we can truly be safe and prevent further gun violence is to ban civilian ownership of all guns. That means everything. No pistols, no revolvers, no semiautomatic or automatic rifles. No bolt action. No breaking actions or falling blocks. Nothing. This is the only thing that we can possibly do to keep our children safe from both mass murder and common street violence."

This isn't likely to happen anywhere there's a Constitutional guarantee for the private ownership of guns; it's more likely, IMHO, we would see a right-wing demagogue like Hitler rise and encourage conservative gun owners to declare open season on anonymous Daily Kos bloggers.

Or, so you would have us believe. In any case, No Registration, No Fingerprints, No Pictures or they can come and get them. Another veteran that will not comply.

 

[georgephillip]

"Most estimates range between 39% and 50% of US households having at least one gun (that's about 43-55 million households). The estimates for the number of privately owned guns range from 190 million to 300 million. Removed those that skew the stats for their own purposes the best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of American households owning 260 million guns)."

Do you agree with these numbers?

How many gun owners are there in the United States of America

 

[Tech_Esq]

"Most estimates range between 39% and 50% of US households having at least one gun (that's about 43-55 million households). The estimates for the number of privately owned guns range from 190 million to 300 million. Removed those that skew the stats for their own purposes the best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of American households owning 260 million guns)."

Do you agree with these numbers?

How many gun owners are there in the United States of America

Something like that.

If your point is that it can't happen, then you are simply naive. A gun is not a gun. Despite the anti-liberty crowd's collective pants wetting over the issue. The so-called "Assault rifles" in civilian hands are not actually "Assault rifles" in real life. I know they make you wet your pants like they are, but that's just looks not operation. The government on the other hand, has Assault Rifles and they are the real thing.

They are also willing to use armor should it come to it. Remember the scene from Waco as the Bradley Fighting Vehicles advanced on the compound? But, besides, forcible confiscation is probably not the direction they will go. That's a losing proposition and they know it. There wouldn't be anyone that would do the job after the first week. The only way to do it is gradually by making more and more people criminals if they don't comply. Then they can be arrested for breaking the regulation. Comply or lose your freedom. Simple as that. The government has no interest in keeping you in jail, they just want your guns, so they will cut pleas all day long. You bring in your guns and we'll release you with a $25 fine.

That only works with registration though. With registration, they know my car, where I work, where I live and whatever else they want to put on the registration form. That way, they can stop me on a routine traffic stop when the type of rifle they decided to ban this week has not been turned in to them by me. On a traffic stop, I don't know I'm supposed to be shooting the cop right away. It's only after they have me in cuffs that I find out it isn't a bad tail light, but a gun they are after. Much safer for them that way.

 

[georgephillip]

"Most estimates range between 39% and 50% of US households having at least one gun (that's about 43-55 million households). The estimates for the number of privately owned guns range from 190 million to 300 million. Removed those that skew the stats for their own purposes the best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of American households owning 260 million guns)."

Do you agree with these numbers?

How many gun owners are there in the United States of America

Something like that.

If your point is that it can't happen, then you are simply naive. A gun is not a gun. Despite the anti-liberty crowd's collective pants wetting over the issue. The so-called "Assault rifles" in civilian hands are not actually "Assault rifles" in real life. I know they make you wet your pants like they are, but that's just looks not operation. The government on the other hand, has Assault Rifles and they are the real thing.

They are also willing to use armor should it come to it. Remember the scene from Waco as the Bradley Fighting Vehicles advanced on the compound? But, besides, forcible confiscation is probably not the direction they will go. That's a losing proposition and they know it. There wouldn't be anyone that would do the job after the first week. The only way to do it is gradually by making more and more people criminals if they don't comply. Then they can be arrested for breaking the regulation. Comply or lose your freedom. Simple as that. The government has no interest in keeping you in jail, they just want your guns, so they will cut pleas all day long. You bring in your guns and we'll release you with a $25 fine.

That only works with registration though. With registration, they know my car, where I work, where I live and whatever else they want to put on the registration form. That way, they can stop me on a routine traffic stop when the type of rifle they decided to ban this week has not been turned in to them by me. On a traffic stop, I don't know I'm supposed to be shooting the cop right away. It's only after they have me in cuffs that I find out it isn't a bad tail light, but a gun they are after. Much safer for them that way.

Do you see these regulations being written at the state or federal level?
Recent SCOTUS opinions haven't gone in favor of outlawing private ownership of guns.
Whoever you imagine "they" are, "they" aren't going to rewrite the Second Amendment without getting an earful (at least) from tens of millions of bed-wetting gun pussies (and their lawyers).

 

[CoolBreeze]

"Most estimates range between 39% and 50% of US households having at least one gun (that's about 43-55 million households). The estimates for the number of privately owned guns range from 190 million to 300 million. Removed those that skew the stats for their own purposes the best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of American households owning 260 million guns)."

Do you agree with these numbers?

How many gun owners are there in the United States of America

Something like that.

If your point is that it can't happen, then you are simply naive. A gun is not a gun. Despite the anti-liberty crowd's collective pants wetting over the issue. The so-called "Assault rifles" in civilian hands are not actually "Assault rifles" in real life. I know they make you wet your pants like they are, but that's just looks not operation. The government on the other hand, has Assault Rifles and they are the real thing.

They are also willing to use armor should it come to it. Remember the scene from Waco as the Bradley Fighting Vehicles advanced on the compound? But, besides, forcible confiscation is probably not the direction they will go. That's a losing proposition and they know it. There wouldn't be anyone that would do the job after the first week. The only way to do it is gradually by making more and more people criminals if they don't comply. Then they can be arrested for breaking the regulation. Comply or lose your freedom. Simple as that. The government has no interest in keeping you in jail, they just want your guns, so they will cut pleas all day long. You bring in your guns and we'll release you with a $25 fine.

That only works with registration though. With registration, they know my car, where I work, where I live and whatever else they want to put on the registration form. That way, they can stop me on a routine traffic stop when the type of rifle they decided to ban this week has not been turned in to them by me. On a traffic stop, I don't know I'm supposed to be shooting the cop right away. It's only after they have me in cuffs that I find out it isn't a bad tail light, but a gun they are after. Much safer for them that way.

Do you see these regulations being written at the state or federal level?
Recent SCOTUS opinions haven't gone in favor of outlawing private ownership of guns.
Whoever you imagine "they" are, "they" aren't going to rewrite the Second Amendment without getting an earful (at least) from tens of millions of bed-wetting gun pussies (and their lawyers).

That doesn't mean that your commie President won't ignore the Constituion, like he did with the NLRB appointments to get what he wants.

ORR