Former Military Chief: Iraq War Was A 'Failure' That Helped Create ISIS

[g5000]

What restrictions ?

The ones which prevent the wholesale slaughter of innocents.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

You know who else agrees with the General ? CAPTAIN OBVIOUS !!

Only a right wing hack would say invading Iraq was a good thing . Jeb Bush I'm looking at you!

why he invaded

And then he protected bin Laden's family and Osama himself.

From the RWNJs , we heard that Osama was not killed and that our military lied.

President Obama is still cleaning up Bush's mess.

 

[g5000]

Bush's strategic mistake was the demobilization of the Iraq army. That will go down as the biggest military blunder in US history.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

What restrictions ?

The ones which prevent the wholesale slaughter of innocents.

That's exactly what the right wants. We destroyed Iraq - for no reason and now the right wants to do the same in just about every other ME country.

How many times have we read some dunderhead here saying we should "bomb ISIL"? What in the world are they thinking?

Nothing. Nothing at all.

 

[The Rabbi]

What restrictions ? Did they need another trillion in order to train the Iraqis ?

^^^
Ignorant asshole.
If you dont know what ROEs are, quit posting here.

 

[The Rabbi]

Bush's strategic mistake was the demobilization of the Iraq army. That will go down as the biggest military blunder in US history.

Wrong.
The biggest blunder was leaving Iraq and failing to leave a military force.
Demobilizing an army that had been intensely loyal to Saddam was a no brainer.

 

[The Rabbi]

What restrictions ?

The ones which prevent the wholesale slaughter of innocents.

That's exactly what the right wants. We destroyed Iraq - for no reason and now the right wants to do the same in just about every other ME country.

How many times have we read some dunderhead here saying we should "bomb ISIL"? What in the world are they thinking?

Nothing. Nothing at all.

We destroyed Iraq? Have you failed to notice what ISIS is doing to the country?

 

[Iceweasel]

Flynn's choice of words, i.e., "error" and "mistake" was purposefully gentle, almost forgiving. The Iraq invasion was no mistake. It was the most deliberate and egregious war crime in modern history. It was so arrogantly criminal the average American simply cannot believe something like that could get past the Congress.

The bottom line is they don't want to believe it.

After all this time the internet will be filled with evidence of that, of course. You forgot to post any. I wonder why?

 

[Timmy]

What restrictions ? Did they need another trillion in order to train the Iraqis ?

^^^
Ignorant asshole.
If you dont know what ROEs are, quit posting here.

You dummy . I know what ROES are . What's that got to do with training the Iraqi army ?

 

[Wilbur Right]

Bush's strategic mistake was the demobilization of the Iraq army. That will go down as the biggest military blunder in US history.

Wrong.
The biggest blunder was leaving Iraq and failing to leave a military force.
Demobilizing an army that had been intensely loyal to Saddam was a no brainer.

Wrong. The biggest blunder was the invasion of Iraq to begin with.
Followed by disbanding the Iraqi Army.

Isnt ISIS made up of a bunch of Sunni ex Iraqi Army officers and soldiers?

 

[The Rabbi]

Bush's strategic mistake was the demobilization of the Iraq army. That will go down as the biggest military blunder in US history.

Wrong.
The biggest blunder was leaving Iraq and failing to leave a military force.
Demobilizing an army that had been intensely loyal to Saddam was a no brainer.

Wrong. The biggest blunder was the invasion of Iraq to begin with.
Followed by disbanding the Iraqi Army.

Isnt ISIS made up of a bunch of Sunni ex Iraqi Army officers and soldiers?

Since your last statement is factually wrong it is no surprise your opinion is stupid and ignorant.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[bripat9643]

"We strategically marched in the wrong direction."

Retired Lt. General Michael Flynn, the former U.S. special forces chief in Iraq and Afghanistan who was the country's highest ranking military intelligence official, says that the George W. Bush administration's Iraq war was a tremendous blunder that helped to create the self-proclaimed Islamic State, or ISIS.

"It was a huge error," Flynn said about the Iraq war in a detailed interview with German newspaper Der Spiegel published Sunday.

"As brutal as Saddam Hussein was, it was a mistake to just eliminate him," Flynn went on to say. "The same is true for Moammar Gadhafi and for Libya, which is now a failed state. The historic lesson is that it was a strategic failure to go into Iraq. History will not be and should not be kind with that decision."

When told by Der Spiegel reporters Matthias Gebauer and Holger Stark that the Islamic State would not "be where it is now without the fall of Baghdad," Flynn, without reservations, said: "Yes, absolutely."

Read the entire interview here.

Former Military Chief: Iraq War Was A 'Failure' That Helped Create ISIS

Ex-US Intelligence Chief on Islamic State's Rise: 'We Were Too Dumb' - SPIEGEL ONLINE

That fits with what many of us already know - and accept as fact.

So a flunky who served under Obama and whom Obama promoted says Bush is to blame?

I am so shocked!

 

[g5000]

Bush's strategic mistake was the demobilization of the Iraq army. That will go down as the biggest military blunder in US history.

Wrong.
The biggest blunder was leaving Iraq and failing to leave a military force.
Demobilizing an army that had been intensely loyal to Saddam was a no brainer.

Yes, you have to have no brains to think demobilizing the Iraqi army was a good idea. In fact, that was when I realized our Commander in Chief was not pretending to be stupid as an act to bond with the common man, he actually IS stupid.

We kept the German, Italian, and Japanese armies mobilized after WWII. For years. This served to stabilize those countries, and we should have used those models in Iraq.

Instead, Bush had some idiotic dream that Iraq was going to become a libertarian paradise overnight, and the Iraqi army went home with their weapons and became the bulk of the insurgency.

 

[The Rabbi]

Bush's strategic mistake was the demobilization of the Iraq army. That will go down as the biggest military blunder in US history.

Wrong.
The biggest blunder was leaving Iraq and failing to leave a military force.
Demobilizing an army that had been intensely loyal to Saddam was a no brainer.

Yes, you have to have no brains to think demobilizing the Iraqi army was a good idea. In fact, that was when I realized our Commander in Chief was not pretending to be stupid as an act to bond with the common man, he actually IS stupid.

We kept the German, Italian, and Japanese armies mobilized after WWII. For years. This served to stabilize those countries, and we should have used those models in Iraq.

Instead, Bush had some idiotic dream that Iraq was going to become a libertarian paradise overnight, and the Iraqi army went home with their weapons and became the bulk of the insurgency.

Wrong, idiot.
We demobilized the Wehrmacht after WW2.
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1753/MR1753.ch2.pdf

We demobilized the Japanese army after WW2
Chapter 5: Demobilization and Disarmament of the Japanese Armed Forces

Bush was following precedent here. And he was correct.

 

[MikeK]

Wrong. The biggest blunder was the invasion of Iraq to begin with.

It wasn't a blunder. It was a crime.

Followed by disbanding the Iraqi Army.

That was an extension of the crime, which was intended dominance of the Iraqi oil fields and total termination of any threat to Saudi Arabia by the Iraqi military.

Isnt ISIS made up of a bunch of Sunni ex Iraqi Army officers and soldiers?

Yes.

 

[Timmy]

Let's settle this .

If you could go back in time, would you tell Bush to invade Iraq ?

THE ANSWER IS NOOOOOO!

 

[MikeK]

Flynn's choice of words, i.e., "error" and "mistake" was purposefully gentle, almost forgiving. The Iraq invasion was no mistake. It was the most deliberate and egregious war crime in modern history. It was so arrogantly criminal the average American simply cannot believe something like that could get past the Congress.

The bottom line is they don't want to believe it.

After all this time the internet will be filled with evidence of that, of course. You forgot to post any. I wonder why?

The only way to produce the necessary evidence to prosecute the Bush Administration for their crimes would be an aggressive investigation by the Obama Administration's Justice Department. If Obama wished to produce that evidence he would have appointed James Comey Attorney General.

Unfortunately, the fix was in. Obama turned out to be a whore who appointed a subordinate whore, Eric Holder, Attorney General. And the Bush crime family walked away grinning.

 

[g5000]

Bush's strategic mistake was the demobilization of the Iraq army. That will go down as the biggest military blunder in US history.

Wrong.
The biggest blunder was leaving Iraq and failing to leave a military force.
Demobilizing an army that had been intensely loyal to Saddam was a no brainer.

Yes, you have to have no brains to think demobilizing the Iraqi army was a good idea. In fact, that was when I realized our Commander in Chief was not pretending to be stupid as an act to bond with the common man, he actually IS stupid.

We kept the German, Italian, and Japanese armies mobilized after WWII. For years. This served to stabilize those countries, and we should have used those models in Iraq.

Instead, Bush had some idiotic dream that Iraq was going to become a libertarian paradise overnight, and the Iraqi army went home with their weapons and became the bulk of the insurgency.

Wrong, idiot.
We demobilized the Wehrmacht after WW2.
https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1753/MR1753.ch2.pdf

We demobilized the Japanese army after WW2
Chapter 5: Demobilization and Disarmament of the Japanese Armed Forces

Bush was following precedent here. And he was correct.

Nope.

Following the unconditional surrender of the Wehrmacht, which went into effect on 8 May 1945, some Wehrmacht units remained active, either independently (e.g. in Norway), or under Allied command as police forces.

The Wermacht was not officially abolished until more than a year after VE Day.

As for Japan:

The terrific psychological tension was dissolved by the relatively simple formula of preserving the existing Japanese Government, and utilizing its normal agencies to effect the complicated processes of disarmament and demobilization.

The program for the accomplishment of this tremendous task was initiated under the provisions of several key directives in August-September 1945.

These precedents were not observed by Bush.

 

[MikeK]

Flynn's choice of words, i.e., "error" and "mistake" was purposefully gentle, almost forgiving. The Iraq invasion was no mistake. It was the most deliberate and egregious war crime in modern history. It was so arrogantly criminal the average American simply cannot believe something like that could get past the Congress.

The bottom line is they don't want to believe it.

The jury is still out as to who was at fault, but regardless, such a decision would not exonerate Obama and his myriad foreign policy failures.

Frankly, Bush was too Democrat for me, but less than Gore and Kerry. There it is.

The jury was never in, Billy.

It would take another Teddy Roosevelt to put those criminal bastards in the dock. That includes Obama, whose contemptuous inaction makes him complicit.