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Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason, but was still jailed and indicted on treason. He and the Confederates are not worthy of statues or shrines. They deserve to be taught and written about in history books, not to be celebrated.
Jeff Davis, Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson have been sugar coated in a fake history that they fought for a just and noble cause in the Confederacy
The Confederacy was treason against the US to create a nation dedicated to preserving the institution of slavery forever. The election of Lincoln threw the states into a frenzy that they had to act fast or lose their right to keep other humans in bondage. The Confederacy was far from noble or grand.......It was a nation in which 40% of its population was kept as slaves. An embarrassment to mankind
Slavery was wrong, however that is not the reason the U.S. under the leadership of the disgraceful Lincoln was willing to kill to keep states and their people from seceding and becoming their own country.
By the way, the U.S. also commited treason fighting the Revolutionary War.
Lincoln opposed slavery.......always did
Lincoln was also a politician. He understood the politics of both the north and the south. He sided with the abolitionists but was unwilling to break the nation in two to accommodate them.
But the war was about slavery. Secession was to ensure slavery
Lincoln wanted to reunite the nation and was willing to tolerate more slavery if the south would rejoin the Union
But in the end....it was Lincoln who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and fought for the 13th amendment
.
Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason, but was still jailed and indicted on treason. He and the Confederates are not worthy of statues or shrines. They deserve to be taught and written about in history books, not to be celebrated.
Jeff Davis, Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson have been sugar coated in a fake history that they fought for a just and noble cause in the Confederacy
The Confederacy was treason against the US to create a nation dedicated to preserving the institution of slavery forever. The election of Lincoln threw the states into a frenzy that they had to act fast or lose their right to keep other humans in bondage. The Confederacy was far from noble or grand.......It was a nation in which 40% of its population was kept as slaves. An embarrassment to mankind
Slavery was wrong, however that is not the reason the U.S. under the leadership of the disgraceful Lincoln was willing to kill to keep states and their people from seceding and becoming their own country.
By the way, the U.S. also commited treason fighting the Revolutionary War.
Lincoln opposed slavery.......always did
Lincoln was also a politician. He understood the politics of both the north and the south. He sided with the abolitionists but was unwilling to break the nation in two to accommodate them.
But the war was about slavery. Secession was to ensure slavery
Lincoln wanted to reunite the nation and was willing to tolerate more slavery if the south would rejoin the Union
But in the end....it was Lincoln who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and fought for the 13th amendment
.
Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union.
Later he added ending slavery as a major goal.
Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason, but was still jailed and indicted on treason. He and the Confederates are not worthy of statues or shrines. They deserve to be taught and written about in history books, not to be celebrated.
Jeff Davis, Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson have been sugar coated in a fake history that they fought for a just and noble cause in the Confederacy
The Confederacy was treason against the US to create a nation dedicated to preserving the institution of slavery forever. The election of Lincoln threw the states into a frenzy that they had to act fast or lose their right to keep other humans in bondage. The Confederacy was far from noble or grand.......It was a nation in which 40% of its population was kept as slaves. An embarrassment to mankind
Slavery was wrong, however that is not the reason the U.S. under the leadership of the disgraceful Lincoln was willing to kill to keep states and their people from seceding and becoming their own country.
By the way, the U.S. also commited treason fighting the Revolutionary War.
Lincoln opposed slavery.......always did
Lincoln was also a politician. He understood the politics of both the north and the south. He sided with the abolitionists but was unwilling to break the nation in two to accommodate them.
But the war was about slavery. Secession was to ensure slavery
Lincoln wanted to reunite the nation and was willing to tolerate more slavery if the south would rejoin the Union
But in the end....it was Lincoln who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and fought for the 13th amendment
.
Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union.
Later he added ending slavery as a major goal.
Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason, but was still jailed and indicted on treason. He and the Confederates are not worthy of statues or shrines. They deserve to be taught and written about in history books, not to be celebrated.
Jeff Davis, Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson have been sugar coated in a fake history that they fought for a just and noble cause in the Confederacy
The Confederacy was treason against the US to create a nation dedicated to preserving the institution of slavery forever. The election of Lincoln threw the states into a frenzy that they had to act fast or lose their right to keep other humans in bondage. The Confederacy was far from noble or grand.......It was a nation in which 40% of its population was kept as slaves. An embarrassment to mankind
Slavery was wrong, however that is not the reason the U.S. under the leadership of the disgraceful Lincoln was willing to kill to keep states and their people from seceding and becoming their own country.
By the way, the U.S. also commited treason fighting the Revolutionary War.
Lincoln opposed slavery.......always did
Lincoln was also a politician. He understood the politics of both the north and the south. He sided with the abolitionists but was unwilling to break the nation in two to accommodate them.
But the war was about slavery. Secession was to ensure slavery
Lincoln wanted to reunite the nation and was willing to tolerate more slavery if the south would rejoin the Union
But in the end....it was Lincoln who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and fought for the 13th amendment
.
Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union.
Later he added ending slavery as a major goal.
Jeff Davis, Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson have been sugar coated in a fake history that they fought for a just and noble cause in the Confederacy
The Confederacy was treason against the US to create a nation dedicated to preserving the institution of slavery forever. The election of Lincoln threw the states into a frenzy that they had to act fast or lose their right to keep other humans in bondage. The Confederacy was far from noble or grand.......It was a nation in which 40% of its population was kept as slaves. An embarrassment to mankind
Slavery was wrong, however that is not the reason the U.S. under the leadership of the disgraceful Lincoln was willing to kill to keep states and their people from seceding and becoming their own country.
By the way, the U.S. also commited treason fighting the Revolutionary War.
Lincoln opposed slavery.......always did
Lincoln was also a politician. He understood the politics of both the north and the south. He sided with the abolitionists but was unwilling to break the nation in two to accommodate them.
But the war was about slavery. Secession was to ensure slavery
Lincoln wanted to reunite the nation and was willing to tolerate more slavery if the south would rejoin the Union
But in the end....it was Lincoln who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and fought for the 13th amendment
.
Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union.
Later he added ending slavery as a major goal.
Your point?
Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason, but was still jailed and indicted on treason. He and the Confederates are not worthy of statues or shrines. They deserve to be taught and written about in history books, not to be celebrated.
Jeff Davis, Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson have been sugar coated in a fake history that they fought for a just and noble cause in the Confederacy
The Confederacy was treason against the US to create a nation dedicated to preserving the institution of slavery forever. The election of Lincoln threw the states into a frenzy that they had to act fast or lose their right to keep other humans in bondage. The Confederacy was far from noble or grand.......It was a nation in which 40% of its population was kept as slaves. An embarrassment to mankind
Slavery was wrong, however that is not the reason the U.S. under the leadership of the disgraceful Lincoln was willing to kill to keep states and their people from seceding and becoming their own country.
By the way, the U.S. also commited treason fighting the Revolutionary War.
Lincoln opposed slavery.......always did
Lincoln was also a politician. He understood the politics of both the north and the south. He sided with the abolitionists but was unwilling to break the nation in two to accommodate them.
But the war was about slavery. Secession was to ensure slavery
Lincoln wanted to reunite the nation and was willing to tolerate more slavery if the south would rejoin the Union
But in the end....it was Lincoln who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and fought for the 13th amendment
.
Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union.
Later he added ending slavery as a major goal.
Yes he did
He wanted to give the south an opportunity to rejoin the union without additional bloodshed. He was willing to allow them to rejoin the union and allow the legislative process to resolve the issue of slavery
But the south wanted no part of it. Slavery had already been abandoned in most of the civilized world without bloodshed. But the south insisted they would not give up their slaves without a fight. It cost us 600,000 lives and the destruction of the south to finally abandon the barbaric practice of slavery
The Confederacy is an embarrassment to the south....not something to be honored
Jeff Davis, Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson have been sugar coated in a fake history that they fought for a just and noble cause in the Confederacy
The Confederacy was treason against the US to create a nation dedicated to preserving the institution of slavery forever. The election of Lincoln threw the states into a frenzy that they had to act fast or lose their right to keep other humans in bondage. The Confederacy was far from noble or grand.......It was a nation in which 40% of its population was kept as slaves. An embarrassment to mankind
Slavery was wrong, however that is not the reason the U.S. under the leadership of the disgraceful Lincoln was willing to kill to keep states and their people from seceding and becoming their own country.
By the way, the U.S. also commited treason fighting the Revolutionary War.
Lincoln opposed slavery.......always did
Lincoln was also a politician. He understood the politics of both the north and the south. He sided with the abolitionists but was unwilling to break the nation in two to accommodate them.
But the war was about slavery. Secession was to ensure slavery
Lincoln wanted to reunite the nation and was willing to tolerate more slavery if the south would rejoin the Union
But in the end....it was Lincoln who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and fought for the 13th amendment
.
Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union.
Later he added ending slavery as a major goal.
Yes he did
He wanted to give the south an opportunity to rejoin the union without additional bloodshed. He was willing to allow them to rejoin the union and allow the legislative process to resolve the issue of slavery
But the south wanted no part of it. Slavery had already been abandoned in most of the civilized world without bloodshed. But the south insisted they would not give up their slaves without a fight. It cost us 600,000 lives and the destruction of the south to finally abandon the barbaric practice of slavery
The Confederacy is an embarrassment to the south....not something to be honored
I'm not honoring it, but they had as much right to declare independence and secede as the U.S. did 85 years earlier.
Thanks to Lincoln's demands to preserve the Union, over 600,000 were killed and scores more injured.
IMO Lincoln is the one who should not be honored, and in fact he is a traitor to the rights of free men who should have been free to plot their own destiny, despite their horrendous practice of slavery.
Jeff Davis, Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson have been sugar coated in a fake history that they fought for a just and noble cause in the Confederacy
The Confederacy was treason against the US to create a nation dedicated to preserving the institution of slavery forever. The election of Lincoln threw the states into a frenzy that they had to act fast or lose their right to keep other humans in bondage. The Confederacy was far from noble or grand.......It was a nation in which 40% of its population was kept as slaves. An embarrassment to mankind
Slavery was wrong, however that is not the reason the U.S. under the leadership of the disgraceful Lincoln was willing to kill to keep states and their people from seceding and becoming their own country.
By the way, the U.S. also commited treason fighting the Revolutionary War.
Lincoln opposed slavery.......always did
Lincoln was also a politician. He understood the politics of both the north and the south. He sided with the abolitionists but was unwilling to break the nation in two to accommodate them.
But the war was about slavery. Secession was to ensure slavery
Lincoln wanted to reunite the nation and was willing to tolerate more slavery if the south would rejoin the Union
But in the end....it was Lincoln who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and fought for the 13th amendment
.
Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union.
Later he added ending slavery as a major goal.
Yes he did
He wanted to give the south an opportunity to rejoin the union without additional bloodshed. He was willing to allow them to rejoin the union and allow the legislative process to resolve the issue of slavery
But the south wanted no part of it. Slavery had already been abandoned in most of the civilized world without bloodshed. But the south insisted they would not give up their slaves without a fight. It cost us 600,000 lives and the destruction of the south to finally abandon the barbaric practice of slavery
The Confederacy is an embarrassment to the south....not something to be honored
I'm not honoring it, but they had as much right to declare independence and secede as the U.S. did 85 years earlier.
Thanks to Lincoln's demands to preserve the Union, over 600,000 were killed and scores more injured.
IMO Lincoln is the one who should not be honored, and in fact he is a traitor to the rights of free men who should have been free to plot their own destiny, despite their horrendous practice of slavery.
The war began in Charleston when slaveholding scum fired on Ft. Sumter which was U.S. property. Bad Idea.Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason, but was still jailed and indicted on treason. He and the Confederates are not worthy of statues or shrines. They deserve to be taught and written about in history books, not to be celebrated.
Jeff Davis, Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson have been sugar coated in a fake history that they fought for a just and noble cause in the Confederacy
The Confederacy was treason against the US to create a nation dedicated to preserving the institution of slavery forever. The election of Lincoln threw the states into a frenzy that they had to act fast or lose their right to keep other humans in bondage. The Confederacy was far from noble or grand.......It was a nation in which 40% of its population was kept as slaves. An embarrassment to mankind
Slavery was wrong, however that is not the reason the U.S. under the leadership of the disgraceful Lincoln was willing to kill to keep states and their people from seceding and becoming their own country.
By the way, the U.S. also commited treason fighting the Revolutionary War.
Slavery was wrong, however that is not the reason the U.S. under the leadership of the disgraceful Lincoln was willing to kill to keep states and their people from seceding and becoming their own country.
By the way, the U.S. also commited treason fighting the Revolutionary War.
Lincoln opposed slavery.......always did
Lincoln was also a politician. He understood the politics of both the north and the south. He sided with the abolitionists but was unwilling to break the nation in two to accommodate them.
But the war was about slavery. Secession was to ensure slavery
Lincoln wanted to reunite the nation and was willing to tolerate more slavery if the south would rejoin the Union
But in the end....it was Lincoln who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and fought for the 13th amendment
.
Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union.
Later he added ending slavery as a major goal.
Your point?
THE US WAS ATTACKED BY THE CONservative CONfederate States of AmeriKKKa Bubs. Don't know much about REAL history huh?
Lincoln opposed slavery.......always did
Lincoln was also a politician. He understood the politics of both the north and the south. He sided with the abolitionists but was unwilling to break the nation in two to accommodate them.
But the war was about slavery. Secession was to ensure slavery
Lincoln wanted to reunite the nation and was willing to tolerate more slavery if the south would rejoin the Union
But in the end....it was Lincoln who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and fought for the 13th amendment
.
Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union.
Later he added ending slavery as a major goal.
Your point?
THE US WAS ATTACKED BY THE CONservative CONfederate States of AmeriKKKa Bubs. Don't know much about REAL history huh?
Lol!!
Dude, don't go there, you will lose.
Because of it's location, the newly formed country felt Ft Sumter was their's, the Union continued to claim it.
The South sent a group to D.C. to negotiate transfer of the fort to the new country. The Union refused.
The South then called on the commanding officer of Ft Sumter, who by the way was a former slave owner himself, to vacate the premises. He refused, thus why the South acting like any other country would, fired on the fort to remove the occupying foreign army. Much the same way our forefathers fired the first shots of the Revolutionary War.
Slavery was wrong, however that is not the reason the U.S. under the leadership of the disgraceful Lincoln was willing to kill to keep states and their people from seceding and becoming their own country.
By the way, the U.S. also commited treason fighting the Revolutionary War.
Lincoln opposed slavery.......always did
Lincoln was also a politician. He understood the politics of both the north and the south. He sided with the abolitionists but was unwilling to break the nation in two to accommodate them.
But the war was about slavery. Secession was to ensure slavery
Lincoln wanted to reunite the nation and was willing to tolerate more slavery if the south would rejoin the Union
But in the end....it was Lincoln who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and fought for the 13th amendment
.
Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union.
Later he added ending slavery as a major goal.
Yes he did
He wanted to give the south an opportunity to rejoin the union without additional bloodshed. He was willing to allow them to rejoin the union and allow the legislative process to resolve the issue of slavery
But the south wanted no part of it. Slavery had already been abandoned in most of the civilized world without bloodshed. But the south insisted they would not give up their slaves without a fight. It cost us 600,000 lives and the destruction of the south to finally abandon the barbaric practice of slavery
The Confederacy is an embarrassment to the south....not something to be honored
I'm not honoring it, but they had as much right to declare independence and secede as the U.S. did 85 years earlier.
Thanks to Lincoln's demands to preserve the Union, over 600,000 were killed and scores more injured.
IMO Lincoln is the one who should not be honored, and in fact he is a traitor to the rights of free men who should have been free to plot their own destiny, despite their horrendous practice of slavery.
You keep making that comparison but it is not morally justified
We fought the Revolution to obtain a right to vote on our own self determination
The Confederacy formed to forever preserve a nation where slavery was allowed
They are not the same. Self determination to maintain 40% of your population in bondage is not justifiable
Lincoln did not kill 600,000. It was the South's determination to fight to preserve slavery that led to 600,000 deaths. No other nation on earth insisted on bloodshed of that magnitude to preserve the right to own other human beings....The despicable Confederacy did
Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union.
Later he added ending slavery as a major goal.
Your point?
THE US WAS ATTACKED BY THE CONservative CONfederate States of AmeriKKKa Bubs. Don't know much about REAL history huh?
Lol!!
Dude, don't go there, you will lose.
Because of it's location, the newly formed country felt Ft Sumter was their's, the Union continued to claim it.
The South sent a group to D.C. to negotiate transfer of the fort to the new country. The Union refused.
The South then called on the commanding officer of Ft Sumter, who by the way was a former slave owner himself, to vacate the premises. He refused, thus why the South acting like any other country would, fired on the fort to remove the occupying foreign army. Much the same way our forefathers fired the first shots of the Revolutionary War.
Ft Sumter was FEDERAL property. It never belonged to the State of South Carolina
The United States Government was under no legal obligation to turn its fort over to another country. The fact that the South chose a military solution sealed their doom
Lincoln opposed slavery.......always did
Lincoln was also a politician. He understood the politics of both the north and the south. He sided with the abolitionists but was unwilling to break the nation in two to accommodate them.
But the war was about slavery. Secession was to ensure slavery
Lincoln wanted to reunite the nation and was willing to tolerate more slavery if the south would rejoin the Union
But in the end....it was Lincoln who issued the Emancipation Proclamation and fought for the 13th amendment
.
Lincoln went to war to preserve the Union.
Later he added ending slavery as a major goal.
Yes he did
He wanted to give the south an opportunity to rejoin the union without additional bloodshed. He was willing to allow them to rejoin the union and allow the legislative process to resolve the issue of slavery
But the south wanted no part of it. Slavery had already been abandoned in most of the civilized world without bloodshed. But the south insisted they would not give up their slaves without a fight. It cost us 600,000 lives and the destruction of the south to finally abandon the barbaric practice of slavery
The Confederacy is an embarrassment to the south....not something to be honored
I'm not honoring it, but they had as much right to declare independence and secede as the U.S. did 85 years earlier.
Thanks to Lincoln's demands to preserve the Union, over 600,000 were killed and scores more injured.
IMO Lincoln is the one who should not be honored, and in fact he is a traitor to the rights of free men who should have been free to plot their own destiny, despite their horrendous practice of slavery.
You keep making that comparison but it is not morally justified
We fought the Revolution to obtain a right to vote on our own self determination
The Confederacy formed to forever preserve a nation where slavery was allowed
They are not the same. Self determination to maintain 40% of your population in bondage is not justifiable
Lincoln did not kill 600,000. It was the South's determination to fight to preserve slavery that led to 600,000 deaths. No other nation on earth insisted on bloodshed of that magnitude to preserve the right to own other human beings....The despicable Confederacy did
Had Lincoln and the Union recognized the new country, there would not have been bloodshed in the first place.
Do you honestly believe the new country wished for a war they could not physically win?
Of course not, they simply wanted the same right to leave the Union, as they did to join the Union.
They seceded in order to preserve their dispicable practice of slavery.
The Union was willing to aggressively kill in order to preserve the Union. NOT to destroy the practice of slavery. That came later, and in fact Lincoln himself considered forcibly removing the slaves and sending them to other colonies. In the end though, he wanted to only make that offer, and not force it.
Gawd, another worthless cut and pasteConfederate soldiers’ statues are being removed all over the South. For in New Orleans, one in Virginia. More in Florida. But these are all on public land, in city squares. There is no attempt to remove any statues (or even flags) from private property. People can fly flags or display statues in their front yards, in full view, if they wish to. Some people here in Tampa, Florida already do.
So if the do-gooders really want to make Confederate statues an issue, let’s make it one for them. For every Confederate soldier statue they remove, let’s put 10 more up. They remove 10, we put up 100. They remove 100, we put up 1000.
Before you know it, you won’t be able to drive 2 blocks without seeing a reminder of the Confederacy and the people who fought for it. The do-gooders will wish they never came up with this idea. And yeah, there’s always airplanes with skywriting and message trailers.
Now, as for the politics, I can sympathize with black folks being uncomfortable with glorification of the nation that supported slavery. And maybe the flags representing that (partially) could be a bit over the top. Maybe that statue of Jefferson Davis also.
But the removal of soldiers’ statues is not acceptable. Jefferson Davis was a politician who led the Confederacy. And the Confederate flag represents that nation and its politics. But soldiers don’t make laws. They don’t prescribe policy. They follow orders and risk their lives (and often lose them) in wars. It’s just not right to remove soldiers’ statues and dishonor them in the process. They take them down….put more up.
The war began in Charleston when slaveholding scum fired on Ft. Sumter which was U.S. property. Bad Idea.Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason, but was still jailed and indicted on treason. He and the Confederates are not worthy of statues or shrines. They deserve to be taught and written about in history books, not to be celebrated.
Jeff Davis, Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson have been sugar coated in a fake history that they fought for a just and noble cause in the Confederacy
The Confederacy was treason against the US to create a nation dedicated to preserving the institution of slavery forever. The election of Lincoln threw the states into a frenzy that they had to act fast or lose their right to keep other humans in bondage. The Confederacy was far from noble or grand.......It was a nation in which 40% of its population was kept as slaves. An embarrassment to mankind
Slavery was wrong, however that is not the reason the U.S. under the leadership of the disgraceful Lincoln was willing to kill to keep states and their people from seceding and becoming their own country.
By the way, the U.S. also commited treason fighting the Revolutionary War.
They should put Frenchs ones up. Big supporters.In Britain.Where are the memorials for the British soldiers that fought in the War for Independence?
Your point?
THE US WAS ATTACKED BY THE CONservative CONfederate States of AmeriKKKa Bubs. Don't know much about REAL history huh?
Lol!!
Dude, don't go there, you will lose.
Because of it's location, the newly formed country felt Ft Sumter was their's, the Union continued to claim it.
The South sent a group to D.C. to negotiate transfer of the fort to the new country. The Union refused.
The South then called on the commanding officer of Ft Sumter, who by the way was a former slave owner himself, to vacate the premises. He refused, thus why the South acting like any other country would, fired on the fort to remove the occupying foreign army. Much the same way our forefathers fired the first shots of the Revolutionary War.
Ft Sumter was FEDERAL property. It never belonged to the State of South Carolina
The United States Government was under no legal obligation to turn its fort over to another country. The fact that the South chose a military solution sealed their doom
Correct, it was a federal fort. However because of it's proximity, the new country rightly so felt the fort was inside their territory. Again, they tried for a peaceful solution, but the Union refused to budge. The new country had every bit as much a right to remove the occupiers, as did our patriot forefathers had in removing British soldiers after declaring their right of independence.
