For all the Bigoted Bakers, Fanatical Florists and Pharisee Photographers

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    I am just wondering how far you are willing to take your strict adherence to the Bible in doing your business.

    Okay. So you don't want to provide wedding services to gay folks because Leviticus 18:22 says so.

    Well, why stop there?

    The Bible also says that adultery and sex before marriage are wrong. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 is very clear a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night shall be stoned. Admittedly, it might be a bit harsh to determine who is a virgin, but you could at least eliminate the 50% of women who live with their boyfriends before marriage.

    Okay, next up, we need to talk about what you are wearing, Girlfriend. Deuteronomy 22:5 says that a woman shall not wear clothing meant for a man. That means all you ladies who wear slacks and jeans and pantsuits! Clearly, a truly biblical business can't work for such sinners!

    and if that's too "Old Testament" for you, 1 Timothy 2:9 and 1 Peter 3:3 both state women should wear neither braids nor jewelry. so if they plan to wear any of that at their wedding, clearly it would offend your magic fairy in the sky to no end.

    Hey, and Heaven forbid that they be one of those "liberated" women who write their own vows at a wedding.

    Ephesians 5:22-24 says that they should totally submit to their husbands, and 1 Corinthians 14:34-36 says they should keep their mouths shut in church.

    So really, now that you've eliminated about 99% of your potential customers, you can no doubt say that your objections to serving gays was really about the Bible... because you are also following all the other rules the bible sets down.
     
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    The thing is, people don't have to believe what you think they should believe. That does not change the validity of their belief.
     
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    NO, guy, the problem is they are using a selective reading of their holy book in order to rationalize their bigotry.

    That didn't fly 50 years ago when Southern Bigots tried to exclude blacks from their hotels and it doesn't fly now.
     
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    How would a baker, florist or photographer know if someone was divorced, a virgin, if they lived with someone? Another epic fail because you didn't THINK before you spewed. :)
     
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    Not your call to make, and not government's call to make unless there is harm, and thus a compelling government interest.
     
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    How would they know? Well, in order to register, they have to get the address of the people they are working with, and if the bride and groom have the same address, they'd know they lived together, wouldn't they.

    I didn't even hit on divorce, mostly because the bible is all over the map on that subject. But if the baker said, "Hey, weren't you in here two years ago with some other dude?" they'd know.

    As far as knowing if someone is a virgin, Well, the bible has that totally covered.


    22:13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
    22:14
    And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
    22:15
    Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
    22:16
    And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
    22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity.And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
    22:18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
    22:19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
    22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
    22:21
    Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die:because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

    Right? I mean, that's totally in the bible, and Jesus didn't change the rules, did he?

    Nope. WE changed the rules. Just like we changed the rules on homosexuality.
     
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    Getting rid of homophobia is a compelling government interest.

    Done.
     
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    You stumbled out of the gate. Fell flat on your face. Thanks for playing :)
     
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    Pretty amazing that people who think themselves open minded start discussions with insults. Can't really understand that sort of myopic hubris. Or maybe he does't think himself very open minded, that would make sense.
     
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    No, that isn't the problem. The problem is that you think that only your beliefs are valid. You are wrong. People can believe whatever they believe for whatever reasons they choose, and those beliefs are as valid as yours. If you think you are going to win any points by attacking those beliefs, you are seriously mistaken. You might find it personally satisfying, but all you are doing is masturbating.
     
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