For all the Bigoted Bakers, Fanatical Florists and Pharisee Photographers

[PratchettFan]

No, that isn't the problem. The problem is that you think that only your beliefs are valid. You are wrong. People can believe whatever they believe for whatever reasons they choose, and those beliefs are as valid as yours. If you think you are going to win any points by attacking those beliefs, you are seriously mistaken. You might find it personally satisfying, but all you are doing is masturbating.

They can believe whatever backward ass bronze age superstitions they want to believe in.

They just can't break the law and deny services to people they don't like using that as an excuse.

The fact they selectively read their own superstitions to rationalize their hatred vs. their greed just shows their hypocrisy.

Arguing that PA laws are beneficial to society and religious beliefs are not a justification for violating such laws is an argument which might well get you somewhere. However, coupling that with vitriol showing contempt for anyone who does not agree with you pretty much nullifies it. The reality is that bigotry exists on both sides of any social issue, as you have shown us.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

How would a baker, florist or photographer know if someone was divorced, a virgin, if they lived with someone? Another epic fail because you didn't THINK before you spewed.

How would they know? Well, in order to register, they have to get the address of the people they are working with, and if the bride and groom have the same address, they'd know they lived together, wouldn't they.

I didn't even hit on divorce, mostly because the bible is all over the map on that subject. But if the baker said, "Hey, weren't you in here two years ago with some other dude?" they'd know.

As far as knowing if someone is a virgin, Well, the bible has that totally covered.


22:13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
22:14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
22:15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
22:16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity.And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
22:18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
22:19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die:because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

Right? I mean, that's totally in the bible, and Jesus didn't change the rules, did he?

Nope. WE changed the rules. Just like we changed the rules on homosexuality.

You stumbled out of the gate. Fell flat on your face. Thanks for playing

He always does, then he'll wave around some misplaced scripture...thinking he's throwing it back in your face.

 

[JoeB131]

I have no particular dog in this hunt, but how does non-acceptance of a behavioral quirk that affects perhaps 2% of the population reach the level of "compelling government interest"?

Japanese-Americans were less than 1% of the population in 1942. Still what we did to them was wrong

There are 1400 hate crimes committed against gays every year. I'd call that a compelling interest.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Old man, you started out with virgins, living together, divorced and other things a baker wouldn't have any idea of knowing about people. That's a fail. Keep in mind you didn't know the difference between a Covenant and Testament, your lack of Biblical knowledge disqualifies you

Uh, when I was growing up, we always knew who the neighborhood slut was.

and you keep dodging the question. Why is okay for you to ignore some parts of the bible to make money but not others?

That's about the most i can dumb it down for you.

Now you're starting to go all over the map in your epic fail of a thread. That and I'm sure you knew the neighborhood slut, no decent girl would have anything to with you. LMAO.

Again, how would a baker know if someone was a virgin, living with someone or divorced? Hmmmmm? LOL This is a stupid thread

 

[Freewill]

Not your call to make, and not government's call to make unless there is harm, and thus a compelling government interest.

Getting rid of homophobia is a compelling government interest.

I have no particular dog in this hunt, but how does non-acceptance of a behavioral quirk that affects perhaps 2% of the population reach the level of "compelling government interest"?

Destruction of everything right, good and what America has always stood for is essential to rebuilding the country in the liberal's image. Kinda like tearing down a church to build a whore house.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

How would a baker, florist or photographer know if someone was divorced, a virgin, if they lived with someone? Another epic fail because you didn't THINK before you spewed.

How would they know? Well, in order to register, they have to get the address of the people they are working with, and if the bride and groom have the same address, they'd know they lived together, wouldn't they.

I didn't even hit on divorce, mostly because the bible is all over the map on that subject. But if the baker said, "Hey, weren't you in here two years ago with some other dude?" they'd know.

As far as knowing if someone is a virgin, Well, the bible has that totally covered.


22:13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
22:14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
22:15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
22:16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity.And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
22:18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
22:19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die:because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

Right? I mean, that's totally in the bible, and Jesus didn't change the rules, did he?

Nope. WE changed the rules. Just like we changed the rules on homosexuality.

You stumbled out of the gate. Fell flat on your face. Thanks for playing

He always does, then he'll wave around some misplaced scripture...thinking he's throwing it back in your face.

I shellacked him on Testaments and Covenants and he's still butt hurt

 

[JoeB131]

Arguing that PA laws are beneficial to society and religious beliefs are not a justification for violating such laws is an argument which might well get you somewhere. However, coupling that with vitriol showing contempt for anyone who does not agree with you pretty much nullifies it. The reality is that bigotry exists on both sides of any social issue, as you have shown us.

Yes, I have contempt for people who use bronze age superstitions to rationalize their bigotry.

I have even more contempt for people who don't even know what their superstitions are, but insist they do.

So really, all in or all out. If you want to claim the Bible as a source to rationalize your bigotry, you have to do EVERYTHING it says.

 

[martybegan]

Not your call to make, and not government's call to make unless there is harm, and thus a compelling government interest.

Getting rid of homophobia is a compelling government interest.

Done.

So basically thoughtcrime? Figures that comes from you.

 

[JoeB131]

Destruction of everything right, good and what America has always stood for is essential to rebuilding the country in the liberal's image. Kinda like tearing down a church to build a whore house.

So when a tornado misses the whorehouse and hits a church, what does that say about God?

 

[martybegan]

Arguing that PA laws are beneficial to society and religious beliefs are not a justification for violating such laws is an argument which might well get you somewhere. However, coupling that with vitriol showing contempt for anyone who does not agree with you pretty much nullifies it. The reality is that bigotry exists on both sides of any social issue, as you have shown us.

Yes, I have contempt for people who use bronze age superstitions to rationalize their bigotry.

I have even more contempt for people who don't even know what their superstitions are, but insist they do.

So really, all in or all out. If you want to claim the Bible as a source to rationalize your bigotry, you have to do EVERYTHING it says.

Bigot.

 

[Freewill]

You stumbled out of the gate. Fell flat on your face. Thanks for playing

Actually, I nailed it and you can't come up with a biblical argument to counter..

You should maybe stick with 'I think the ghey is icky". It would be more honest.

Old man, you started out with virgins, living together, divorced and other things a baker wouldn't have any idea of knowing about people. That's a fail. Keep in mind you didn't know the difference between a Covenant and Testament, your lack of Biblical knowledge disqualifies you

Bakers are all the time getting cakes orders wishing for the inscribtion: "Congratulations on a 40 year old virgin marrying a adulterous slut"

 

[martybegan]

No, that isn't the problem. The problem is that you think that only your beliefs are valid. You are wrong. People can believe whatever they believe for whatever reasons they choose, and those beliefs are as valid as yours. If you think you are going to win any points by attacking those beliefs, you are seriously mistaken. You might find it personally satisfying, but all you are doing is masturbating.

They can believe whatever backward ass bronze age superstitions they want to believe in.

They just can't break the law and deny services to people they don't like using that as an excuse.

The fact they selectively read their own superstitions to rationalize their hatred vs. their greed just shows their hypocrisy.

So basically "go in the closet"?

It's all about revenge for people like you.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Destruction of everything right, good and what America has always stood for is essential to rebuilding the country in the liberal's image. Kinda like tearing down a church to build a whore house.

So when a tornado misses the whorehouse and hits a church, what does that say about God?

Tornadoes seem to nail trailer parks.

 

[Freewill]

Destruction of everything right, good and what America has always stood for is essential to rebuilding the country in the liberal's image. Kinda like tearing down a church to build a whore house.

So when a tornado misses the whorehouse and hits a church, what does that say about God?

Freewill, that's what.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You stumbled out of the gate. Fell flat on your face. Thanks for playing

Actually, I nailed it and you can't come up with a biblical argument to counter..

You should maybe stick with 'I think the ghey is icky". It would be more honest.

Old man, you started out with virgins, living together, divorced and other things a baker wouldn't have any idea of knowing about people. That's a fail. Keep in mind you didn't know the difference between a Covenant and Testament, your lack of Biblical knowledge disqualifies you

Bakers are all the time getting cakes orders wishing for the inscribtion: "Congratulations on a 40 year old virgin marrying a adulterous slut"

Next up, OB/GYNs will have to be employed at bakeries to verify all brides are indeed virgins

 

[jknowgood]

Arguing that PA laws are beneficial to society and religious beliefs are not a justification for violating such laws is an argument which might well get you somewhere. However, coupling that with vitriol showing contempt for anyone who does not agree with you pretty much nullifies it. The reality is that bigotry exists on both sides of any social issue, as you have shown us.

Yes, I have contempt for people who use bronze age superstitions to rationalize their bigotry.

I have even more contempt for people who don't even know what their superstitions are, but insist they do.

So really, all in or all out. If you want to claim the Bible as a source to rationalize your bigotry, you have to do EVERYTHING it says.

Lol, coming from someone who will nick pick a republicans sex life, but will totally over look a sexual predator democrat.

 

[JoeB131]

So basically "go in the closet"?

It's all about revenge for people like you.

NO, revenge would be roving bands of gays beating up CHristians and firing Christians from their jobs.

Which no one is calling for or doing.

We are just saying, "If you provide a service, you have to provide it to everyone like the law says."

And if you are going to claim a "religious" exemption, you'd better be following ALL the rules of htat religion, not just the ones you like.

 

[martybegan]

So basically "go in the closet"?

It's all about revenge for people like you.

NO, revenge would be roving bands of gays beating up CHristians and firing Christians from their jobs.

Which no one is calling for or doing.

We are just saying, "If you provide a service, you have to provide it to everyone like the law says."

And if you are going to claim a "religious" exemption, you'd better be following ALL the rules of htat religion, not just the ones you like.

Revenge is revenge, and you are out for it.

and as for you last statement, not your call to make, and not government's unless there is harm and a compelling interest.

 

[PratchettFan]

Arguing that PA laws are beneficial to society and religious beliefs are not a justification for violating such laws is an argument which might well get you somewhere. However, coupling that with vitriol showing contempt for anyone who does not agree with you pretty much nullifies it. The reality is that bigotry exists on both sides of any social issue, as you have shown us.

Yes, I have contempt for people who use bronze age superstitions to rationalize their bigotry.

I have even more contempt for people who don't even know what their superstitions are, but insist they do.

So really, all in or all out. If you want to claim the Bible as a source to rationalize your bigotry, you have to do EVERYTHING it says.

I don't claim the Bible as a source of anything. I could not care less what the Bible says. We are discussing what you are saying, and what you are saying is pure bigotry. Why is your bigotry better than anyone else's bigotry?

 

[JoeB131]

Lol, coming from someone who will nick pick a republicans sex life, but will totally over look a sexual predator democrat.

First, the term in "nitpick".

secondly, on the rare occasion Republicans do get laid, I really don't care about it. In fact, if they got laid more often, they wouldn't be such pricks.