Flooding is the New Normal in Miami In Miami, sea-level rise is not a problem for future generations

[westwall]

Beach erosion allows salt water to invade the fresh water aquifers you ignoramus..

That evasion doesn't answer the question. You obviously stink at the fundamentals of fluid mechanics. That goes along with how you stink at the fundamentals of all science.

When the ground water was fresh water, fresh water didn't previously come bubbling up out of the storm drains on sunny days with high tides.

Now that the ground water is salt water, it does come bubbling up out of the storm drains on sunny days with high tides.

Something has put more pressure behind that water. Simply substituting salt water for fresh would not do such a thing. So what could?

The sane and intelligent people can easily answer that question. Higher sea level is the driving force. The underground water is linked to the sea through porous rock, so it will rise to match sea levels. The sea levels are rising to levels never historically seen before, so water is rising out of the storm drains to match.

So, how does your theory explain it?

What the hell are you blabbering about now cupcake. When you lose beach protection the sea water invades. It's an old and well known fact. There is no evasion. The evasion is from you who ignore well known scientific facts to continue to push your political agenda.

In other words hairball, your post is an epic fail.

 

[SSDD]

Beach erosion allows salt water to invade the fresh water aquifers you ignoramus..

That evasion doesn't answer the question. You obviously stink at the fundamentals of fluid mechanics. That goes along with how you stink at the fundamentals of all science.

When the ground water was fresh water, fresh water didn't previously come bubbling up out of the storm drains on sunny days with high tides.

Now that the ground water is salt water, it does come bubbling up out of the storm drains on sunny days with high tides.

Something has put more pressure behind that water. Simply substituting salt water for fresh would not do such a thing. So what could?

The sane and intelligent people can easily answer that question. Higher sea level is the driving force. The underground water is linked to the sea through porous rock, so it will rise to match sea levels. The sea levels are rising to levels never historically seen before, so water is rising out of the storm drains to match.

So, how does your theory explain it?

So she thinks that rising sea levels are being stealthy and rather than showing up on the beach were everyone could see them, they are sneaking through the porous rock and coming in through the back door of the drainage system?....guess the fact that they are piling ever more infrastructure on that porous rock which happens to be in a swamp doesn't matter...sea water has become stealthy






What the hell are you blabbering about now cupcake. When you lose beach protection the sea water invades. It's an old and well known fact. There is no evasion. The evasion is from you who ignore well known scientific facts to continue to push your political agenda.

In other words hairball, your post is an epic fail.

So she thinks that rising sea levels are being stealthy and rather than showing up on the beach were everyone could see them, they are sneaking through the porous rock and coming in through the back door of the drainage system?....guess the fact that they are piling ever more infrastructure on that porous rock which happens to be in a swamp doesn't matter...sea water has become stealthy

 

[Crick]

South Florida is experiencing flooding from rising sea levels. It IS seen on the beaches as well as in the flood drains. Denying rising sea levels is about as stupid as you can get.

 

[westwall]

South Florida is experiencing flooding from rising sea levels. It IS seen on the beaches as well as in the flood drains. Denying rising sea levels is about as stupid as you can get.

No it ain't. It's experiencing flooding from decades of sand loss. Your computer derived fiction is just that, fiction. Not related to reality.

 

[Crick]

Sand loss? My fucking god are you an idiot.

 

[SSDD]

South Florida is experiencing flooding from rising sea levels. It IS seen on the beaches as well as in the flood drains. Denying rising sea levels is about as stupid as you can get.

Really?...doesn't show up in photographs taken a hundred years apart...guess NOAA should start photoshopping old photos as reinforcement to their altered sea level data...

 

[Crick]

Don't you ever tire of demonstrating your unbelievable ignorance? Photographs? Really? Got a problem with tide gauges? Could it be because they show you for the idiot you are?

 

[SSDD]

Don't you ever tire of demonstrating your unbelievable ignorance? Photographs? Really? Got a problem with tide gauges? Could it be because they show you for the idiot you are?

Plenty of photos of structures right on the waterfront...100 years apart....no difference...if sea level were actually affecting anything, it would be those old structures right at ground zero...funny thing...they remain un fazed by sea level increases while places blocks or miles inland are crying the blues....bullshit is what you and yours have...nothing else.

 

[Crick]

Take a photograph you fool.

 

[SSDD]

Take a photograph you fool.

Been through that fraud already...

Luckily, old data is still hanging around to be found to bring the fraud of the climate science modern climate science community into high relief...even if folks like you are going to deny the reality.... This is the sea level increase between 1880 and 1980 shown by NASA. The graph shows an increase of just over 3 inches of sea level increase between 1880 and 1980....NOTE the sharp decrease in the rate of increase after 1950.

You can't really scare people with a 3 inch sea level increase over a 100 year period so the frauds in climate science increased the figure to 6 inches per century with nothing more than adjustments.... NOTE the completely FAKE acceleration after 1950.

Here is an overlay of the two graphs on the same time scale. One is scientific in nature...showing actual observed sea level increases...the other is a piece of alarmist propaganda that has nothing whatsoever to do with science and everything to do with supporting a fraudulent narrative.

Then in 2004, the University of Colorado showed 2.8 mm per year rate of sea level increase.

2.8 mm per year? Not very scary...even to alarmists so again, the data is heavily massaged using inappropriate, and completely fraudulent methods to achieve a 3.3mm per year rate of increase. A global isostatic adjustment was applied which is blatantly fraudulent in the context of sea level increase. Such adjustments are correct in the context of calculating ocean depth as the sea floor sinks and have absolutely no relationship to measuring sea level by satellites. Here is what the adjustments look like...

Here is an overlay of the two graphs at the same time scale.

So some numbers got a massage and a picture was painted to give the appearance of imminent disaster. Shit happens...right? But when the "spokes agency" for modern climate science repeats the fraud as truth....we have real evidence of deliberate data corruption with the intent to deceive regarding climate change. In 1990 the IPCC said:

Then in 2013 using blatantly massaged data and obviously fraudulent graphs, the IPCC said exactly the opposite of what they said in 1990.

And just for fun...take a look at the very early tide information...what sort of new information do you think would require changing tide data from 60, 70, 80, and even 100 years ago?

The fact is that the sea level claims are fraudulent...and anyone who believes them has either been fooled, or is being nothing more than one of the legion of useful idiots

 

[Old Rocks]

The reason why Miami floods all the time now is due to the damming of the streams and rivers that used to replenish the beaches.

How does beach erosion cause salt water to bubble up from the storm drains and flood Miami and other cities? Go on, explain the physics behind that. Any deniers, feel free to help Westwall out.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...warming-increases-nuisance-flooding.html?_r=0

The rising sea level explains it perfectly. That, and the direct measurements of rising sea levels, is why all the sane and honest people understand such sunny day flooding is due to rising sea levels.

Deniers cultists, alas, have their own alternate-reality theories. Those theories don't explain the floods on sunny days, but it's not like deniers have ever cared before that their crazy theories are always contradicted by reality.

Wow. You really ARE that stupid. Beach erosion allows salt water to invade the fresh water aquifers you ignoramus..

Dumb fuck, the drains in the road that have saltwater coming up through them are not aquifers. And the floors in the houses that are flooded are not aquifers. We are talking here about sea water inundating existing infrastructure.

 

[Old Rocks]

From the people who live there.

The sea started boiling up into the street. A major Miami Beach road was under water. Tourists sloshed to hotels through saltwater up to their shins, pants rolled up, suitcases in one hand, shoes in the other.

But one corner of Miami Beach stayed perfectly dry. In Sunset Harbour, which has historically flooded during seasonal high tides, the water was held at bay last month by a radically re-engineered streetscape that will be put to the test again this week with another king tide.


Read more here: Miami Beach’s battle to stem rising tides

 

[westwall]

The reason why Miami floods all the time now is due to the damming of the streams and rivers that used to replenish the beaches.

How does beach erosion cause salt water to bubble up from the storm drains and flood Miami and other cities? Go on, explain the physics behind that. Any deniers, feel free to help Westwall out.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...warming-increases-nuisance-flooding.html?_r=0

The rising sea level explains it perfectly. That, and the direct measurements of rising sea levels, is why all the sane and honest people understand such sunny day flooding is due to rising sea levels.

Deniers cultists, alas, have their own alternate-reality theories. Those theories don't explain the floods on sunny days, but it's not like deniers have ever cared before that their crazy theories are always contradicted by reality.

Wow. You really ARE that stupid. Beach erosion allows salt water to invade the fresh water aquifers you ignoramus..

Dumb fuck, the drains in the road that have saltwater coming up through them are not aquifers. And the floors in the houses that are flooded are not aquifers. We are talking here about sea water inundating existing infrastructure.

Wow, make you feel better silly boy? Here's the facts, Jack.... I highlighted the relevent bits for the ignorant twats among you. Don't try and argue science with a scientist. Moron.


"The densely populated megalopolis of South Florida is losing it's water wells as sea water intrudes into the Biscayne Aquifer. Salt water has already moved 6 miles inland in Broward County and is likely to continue to creep westward. Ninety percent of South Florida gets its drinking water from underground supplies, most from the Biscayne aquifer. This inland movement observed in Broward County is due to urban withdrawals from the Biscayne Aquifer, ocean water moving sideways into the aquifer and seepage of saltwater from surface sources."


The phenomenon that can not be spoken in Florida continues as salt water intrusion moves inland

 

[Olde Europe]

"The densely populated megalopolis of South Florida is losing it's water wells as sea water intrudes into the Biscayne Aquifer. Salt water has already moved 6 miles inland in Broward County and is likely to continue to creep westward. Ninety percent of South Florida gets its drinking water from underground supplies, most from the Biscayne aquifer. This inland movement observed in Broward County is due to urban withdrawals from the Biscayne Aquifer, ocean water moving sideways into the aquifer and seepage of saltwater from surface sources."


The phenomenon that can not be spoken in Florida continues as salt water intrusion moves inland

Ah, the ever-ready art of selective quoting. From your own link:

Rising sea level will increase the hydraulic backpressure on coastal aquifers, reduce groundwater flow toward the ocean, and cause the saltwater front to move inland, thus threatening to contaminate water-supply wells in coastal areas with seawater. In the low-lying southernmost Everglades, sea-level rise will cause brackish waters to encroach farther northward.

The Pensacola Bay and St. Johns River watersheds and southern Florida from Palm Beach to Miami, the Florida Keys, Naples, and Fort Myers are especially vulnerable to saltwater intrusion into municipal freshwater supplies as sea levels rise (Dausman and Langevin, 2005; Freed et al., 2005; Murley et al., 2008).​

Of course, standing on porous rock, at least two different factors combine to the inwards movement of salt water (and increased prevalence of flooding), and salt water contamination of fresh water resources. Fresh water removal helps, but does not in any way prove sea level rise plays no role. Of course, your own source says it does play a role, just as anyone with a lick of sense would expect.

Really, we see land ice melt near everywhere, glaciers retreat (adding to the amount of water in the oceans), and oceans warming up (resulting in thermal expansion), so what do you think would happen? Find any moderately intelligent fifth-grader to explain it to you.

To understand this takes no more than the most basic level of common sense, and we see denialingdongs failing at that level, insulting intelligence all around, mostly their own, such as it is. No shame, and, even more relevant, no pride, and no reason for any.

 

[skookerasbil]

Flooding is the New Normal in Miami In Miami, sea-level rise is not a problem for future generations. It’s a present-day reality.

Navarrete’s garage now floods about once every other month. She often has to wear rainboots just to get to her car.

Navarrete: “And sometimes the water would be higher than that. So I couldn’t wear my boots because otherwise I would get the water inside the boots. So then we have to go barefoot, which is disgusting.”

And when the moon, earth, and sun align, tides are even higher than usual. They’re called king tides, and last for about a week. During king tides, Navarrete’s garage floods twice a day.

Flooding is the new normal in Miami - Yale Climate Connections
I hope the government can help this poor women find a new home.

s0n......you worry waaaaaaaaaay too much about stoopid shit. If you went out and got some real responsibilities in life, you'd be too busy to worry about stoopid shit. Trust me.....that's how it works. Psychologists call it the DRI dynamic ( Differential Reinforcement of Incompatible Behavior ). Its quite remarkable when applied to lifestyles.

Why do you think every poll shows an utter disinterest in global warming in the public?

Its because PEOPLE ARE TOO FUCKING BUSY TO WORRY ABOUT STOOPID SHIT!!

 

[mamooth]

What the hell are you blabbering about now cupcake.

I'm pointing out how you fail to grasp the most basic concepts of hydrostatics. And to think you pretend to be a scientist.

When you lose beach protection the sea water invades.

Why yes. And if sea level hasn't changed, the ground water stays at the same level, or drops a bit. It would be brackish instead of fresh water, but the levels either won't change, or they'll go down. Therefore, seawater intrusion without sea level rise does not explain why the groundwater is reaching new higher levels and coming out of the storm drains.

Since your theory fails to explain the observed data, your theory is obviously wrong. That's science, which explains why you fail so badly at it.

Oh, the flooding is happening in spots even without beach erosion and seawater intrusion, so your idiot theory fails in that way as well.

In contrast, sea level rise explains all of the observed data, hence it is good science, not to mention reality.

 

[westwall]

What the hell are you blabbering about now cupcake.

I'm pointing out how you fail to grasp the most basic concepts of hydrostatics. And to think you pretend to be a scientist.

When you lose beach protection the sea water invades.

Why yes. And if sea level hasn't changed, the ground water stays at the same level, or drops a bit. It would be brackish instead of fresh water, but the levels either won't change, or they'll go down. Therefore, seawater intrusion without sea level rise does not explain why the groundwater is reaching new higher levels and coming out of the storm drains.

Since your theory fails to explain the observed data, your theory is obviously wrong. That's science, which explains why you fail so badly at it.

Oh, the flooding is happening in spots even without beach erosion and seawater intrusion, so your idiot theory fails in that way as well.

In contrast, sea level rise explains all of the observed data, hence it is good science, not to mention reality.

Wrong hairball, it is you who don't understand the slightest bit about science, the scientific method, or what a fact even is. What is occurring in Florida is well known, has been happening for decades, and we know how to mitigate it. The problem is cost, and a willingness to change water usage behavior. In this particular case it is so well known that your continued attempts to deflect away from well known scientific FACT is nothing more than amusing.

 

[Crick]

Sand loss? Please tell us how the sand underneath the pavement and concrete is being lost. And how is it that all the people in Miami Dade, responsible for taking care of this problem, are unaware of this sand loss you blame it on? Wait, let me guess. You're smarter than all of them. Got it.

 

[Olde Europe]

Sand loss? Please tell us how the sand underneath the pavement and concrete is being lost. And how is it that all the people in Miami Dade, responsible for taking care of this problem, are unaware of this sand loss you blame it on? Wait, let me guess. You're smarter than all of them. Got it.

That's a bit inconclusive. Sandbanks out at sea can mitigate storm surges and tides, therefore sand loss can increase flooding. The argument bites itself into its own behind, since sand loss can itself be a sign of climate change / rising sea levels, causing changing ocean currents, wave patterns, so that protective sandbanks erode. Here's what I found to be a good discussion of the issue, including the effects of artificial increases of the height of sandbanks.

 

[Crick]

The point I was making is that Miami-Dade specifically, has not experienced the sand loss that Westwall claims to be the cause of the increased flooding there. I live in South Florida. The flooding in Dade County is due to increased sea levels.