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First time the name or title 'Satan' is mentioned?
1 Chronicles 21:1
And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
First time the name or title 'Michael' is mentioned?
Numbers 13:13
Of the tribe of Asher, Sethur the son of Michael.
The first time the name or title 'Satan' and the name or title 'Michael' are mentioned together?
Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Revelation 12:6 "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
1,260 days... = 3.45 years.
Revelation 12:7-9 "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
war: as in strength and brawn?
Usage: a war, battle, strife.
arguments? If it were only 'arguments', would this change your opinion as to who and what that 'war' is as and what the 'importance' and 'glamour' of that war might be?
in heaven: Where is heaven?
air (9), heaven (218), heavenly* (1), heavens (24), sky (22).
Is this 'war' which is in heaven be a 'quarrel', argument, about 'heavenly' things?
Would this change your outlook on what that 'great' heavenly angelic war might be? Would you still be 'interested'??
Who is this 'angel' Michael?
(i. e. 'who like God?'), Michael, the name of an archangel, who was supposed to be the guardian angel of the Israelites
When was the first mention of the name or title 'Michael' used?
Numbers 13:13
Of the tribe of Asher, Sethur the son of Michael.
Who or what are 'his' angels?
angels: 32. aggelos
32 ággelos – properly, a messenger or delegate – either human
or heavenly (a celestial angel);
someone sent (by God) to proclaim His message.
Someone sent (by God) to proclaim His message. What is His message? You mean like the Apostles being sent to proclaim the 'gospel'? Are The Apostles 'angels'?
What did Michael and his angels do?
warred:
Usage: I make war, contend, fight, battle.
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon;
who began this 'war'?
Michael and his angels did what? fought 'against' the dragon..
against:
3326. meta:
accompanied (1), accompanied* (2), accompany* (1), after (82), afterward* (3), against (4), amid (1), among (5), away (1), before* (1), behind (1), companions* (5), end (1), follow* (1), gratefully* (1), hereafter* (1), later (12), now* (1), together (2), together* (1), toward (3), without* (2).
the: What is 'the'?
3588. ho, hé, to
about (2), all (5), case* (3), cause* (1), circumstances* (3), companions* (8), condition* (1), experiences (2), far (1), followers* (1), former* (1), meat (1), one (6), one who (1), one* (1), others (4), others* (1), outsiders* (3), people (1), sight (1), some (7), some* (5), suitable (1), these (4), things (1), this (31), those (406), those who (17), together* (8), under* (1), welfare (1), what (47), what had happened (1), what* (1), which (14), who (52), whoever (8), whom (4).
So is this Michael and his angels trying to 'influence' current Nations with their 'own' future 'Governments'??
and the dragon fought and his angels,
Who is this 'dragon'?
1404. drakón
Definition: a dragon (a mythical monster)
Usage: a dragon or huge serpent;
1404 drákōn (from derkomai, "to see," the root of the English term, "dragon") – properly "seeing one," used of mythical dragons (huge serpents) seeing their prey from far away; (figuratively) Satan (Rev 12:7,9) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes."
[The ancient Greeks classified a "dragon" (1404 /drákōn) as a type of serpent. 1404 /drákōn ("a dragon") was believed to have incredible insight, able to spot prey in any hiding place.]
But the dragon 'warred' back... The dragon 'resisted'... Who is this 'dragon' again?
1404. drakón
Definition: a dragon (a mythical monster)
Usage: a dragon or huge serpent;
1404 drákōn (from derkomai, "to see," the root of the English term, "dragon") – properly "seeing one," used of mythical dragons (huge serpents) seeing their prey from far away; (figuratively) Satan (Rev 12:7,9) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes."
[The ancient Greeks classified a "dragon" (1404 /drákōn) as a type of serpent. 1404 /drákōn ("a dragon") was believed to have incredible insight, able to spot prey in any hiding place.]
So, Michael and his angels begin this war and continue the 'warring' against the 'dragon' and the 'dragon' 'war' back against the 'attacks' of Michael and his angels. But the dragon is supposed to be the 'bad' one?? Although a 'mythical' creature?
Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."
prevailed not: 2480. ischuó
Definition: to be strong, have power
Usage: I have strength, am strong, am in full health and vigor, am able; meton: I prevail.
Very combative (engaging, overcoming, 2480 /isxýō) is the specific (urgent) request of a divinely-approved person who is energized (by God)."
able (5), am...strong enough (1), been able (1), can (1), can do (1), could (8), force (1), good (1), healthy (2), means (1), overpowered (1), prevailing (1), strong enough (3), unable* (2).
Who 'prevailed' not? Michael and his angels or the dragon and his angels? Let's see... Michael begins this war yet 'who' is it that 'prevails' not? Or who is it that becomes 'unable', 'strong enough', 'who had 'been' able'... who is it that 'could' but no longer 'can', or who is it that is not of 'health', 'means', 'good'; but is overpowered, prevailed over, unable to .. against?
The one(s) who began the 'war' or the one who 'defended' against the 'war'?
But.... who was 'seen' as very 'combative', very 'engaging'? Who was seen as very 'energized', as if by God? Michael or the dragon?
But who was it that began this 'war', again? So who would be the 'wrongful' one? The one who began this 'war' or the one who 'defended' against this war?
And to 'what or whom' was no place found for in heaven?
Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."
'Whose' place?
'their' place...
846. autos
accompanied* (2), agree* (1), anyone (1), both* (1), city (2), even (1), here* (1), herself (5), himself (83), itself (7), just (1), lies (1), like (1), like-minded (1), money (1), myself (10), number (1), one (1), one's (2), other (1), ourselves (8), own (2), part (1), people (1), person (1), personally (1), righteousness (1), same (59), same things (4), same way (1), selves (1), sight (1), temple (1), theirs (3), themselves (23), there* (2), these (1), these things (2), this (1), those (2), together* (8), very (17), very one (1), very thing (4), well (1), who (3), whose (2), whose* (1), women (1), yourself (3), yourselves (14), yourselves* (3).
well, maybe the 'ones' who had a 'regard' to the things of 'heaven' but after this 'warring' with Michael 'lost strength/vigor/did not prevail/was not strong enough'... to remain... and so 'no they were no longer 'found' in heaven... which they 'formerly' were.
1 Chronicles 21:1
And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
First time the name or title 'Michael' is mentioned?
Numbers 13:13
Of the tribe of Asher, Sethur the son of Michael.
The first time the name or title 'Satan' and the name or title 'Michael' are mentioned together?
Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Revelation 12:6 "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
1,260 days... = 3.45 years.
Revelation 12:7-9 "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
war: as in strength and brawn?
Usage: a war, battle, strife.
arguments? If it were only 'arguments', would this change your opinion as to who and what that 'war' is as and what the 'importance' and 'glamour' of that war might be?
in heaven: Where is heaven?
air (9), heaven (218), heavenly* (1), heavens (24), sky (22).
Is this 'war' which is in heaven be a 'quarrel', argument, about 'heavenly' things?
Would this change your outlook on what that 'great' heavenly angelic war might be? Would you still be 'interested'??
Who is this 'angel' Michael?
(i. e. 'who like God?'), Michael, the name of an archangel, who was supposed to be the guardian angel of the Israelites
When was the first mention of the name or title 'Michael' used?
Numbers 13:13
Of the tribe of Asher, Sethur the son of Michael.
Who or what are 'his' angels?
angels: 32. aggelos
32 ággelos – properly, a messenger or delegate – either human
or heavenly (a celestial angel);
someone sent (by God) to proclaim His message.
Someone sent (by God) to proclaim His message. What is His message? You mean like the Apostles being sent to proclaim the 'gospel'? Are The Apostles 'angels'?
What did Michael and his angels do?
warred:
Usage: I make war, contend, fight, battle.
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon;
who began this 'war'?
Michael and his angels did what? fought 'against' the dragon..
against:
3326. meta:
accompanied (1), accompanied* (2), accompany* (1), after (82), afterward* (3), against (4), amid (1), among (5), away (1), before* (1), behind (1), companions* (5), end (1), follow* (1), gratefully* (1), hereafter* (1), later (12), now* (1), together (2), together* (1), toward (3), without* (2).
the: What is 'the'?
3588. ho, hé, to
about (2), all (5), case* (3), cause* (1), circumstances* (3), companions* (8), condition* (1), experiences (2), far (1), followers* (1), former* (1), meat (1), one (6), one who (1), one* (1), others (4), others* (1), outsiders* (3), people (1), sight (1), some (7), some* (5), suitable (1), these (4), things (1), this (31), those (406), those who (17), together* (8), under* (1), welfare (1), what (47), what had happened (1), what* (1), which (14), who (52), whoever (8), whom (4).
So is this Michael and his angels trying to 'influence' current Nations with their 'own' future 'Governments'??
and the dragon fought and his angels,
Who is this 'dragon'?
1404. drakón
Definition: a dragon (a mythical monster)
Usage: a dragon or huge serpent;
1404 drákōn (from derkomai, "to see," the root of the English term, "dragon") – properly "seeing one," used of mythical dragons (huge serpents) seeing their prey from far away; (figuratively) Satan (Rev 12:7,9) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes."
[The ancient Greeks classified a "dragon" (1404 /drákōn) as a type of serpent. 1404 /drákōn ("a dragon") was believed to have incredible insight, able to spot prey in any hiding place.]
But the dragon 'warred' back... The dragon 'resisted'... Who is this 'dragon' again?
1404. drakón
Definition: a dragon (a mythical monster)
Usage: a dragon or huge serpent;
1404 drákōn (from derkomai, "to see," the root of the English term, "dragon") – properly "seeing one," used of mythical dragons (huge serpents) seeing their prey from far away; (figuratively) Satan (Rev 12:7,9) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes."
[The ancient Greeks classified a "dragon" (1404 /drákōn) as a type of serpent. 1404 /drákōn ("a dragon") was believed to have incredible insight, able to spot prey in any hiding place.]
So, Michael and his angels begin this war and continue the 'warring' against the 'dragon' and the 'dragon' 'war' back against the 'attacks' of Michael and his angels. But the dragon is supposed to be the 'bad' one?? Although a 'mythical' creature?
Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."
prevailed not: 2480. ischuó
Definition: to be strong, have power
Usage: I have strength, am strong, am in full health and vigor, am able; meton: I prevail.
Very combative (engaging, overcoming, 2480 /isxýō) is the specific (urgent) request of a divinely-approved person who is energized (by God)."
able (5), am...strong enough (1), been able (1), can (1), can do (1), could (8), force (1), good (1), healthy (2), means (1), overpowered (1), prevailing (1), strong enough (3), unable* (2).
Who 'prevailed' not? Michael and his angels or the dragon and his angels? Let's see... Michael begins this war yet 'who' is it that 'prevails' not? Or who is it that becomes 'unable', 'strong enough', 'who had 'been' able'... who is it that 'could' but no longer 'can', or who is it that is not of 'health', 'means', 'good'; but is overpowered, prevailed over, unable to .. against?
The one(s) who began the 'war' or the one who 'defended' against the 'war'?
But.... who was 'seen' as very 'combative', very 'engaging'? Who was seen as very 'energized', as if by God? Michael or the dragon?
But who was it that began this 'war', again? So who would be the 'wrongful' one? The one who began this 'war' or the one who 'defended' against this war?
And to 'what or whom' was no place found for in heaven?
Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."
'Whose' place?
'their' place...
846. autos
accompanied* (2), agree* (1), anyone (1), both* (1), city (2), even (1), here* (1), herself (5), himself (83), itself (7), just (1), lies (1), like (1), like-minded (1), money (1), myself (10), number (1), one (1), one's (2), other (1), ourselves (8), own (2), part (1), people (1), person (1), personally (1), righteousness (1), same (59), same things (4), same way (1), selves (1), sight (1), temple (1), theirs (3), themselves (23), there* (2), these (1), these things (2), this (1), those (2), together* (8), very (17), very one (1), very thing (4), well (1), who (3), whose (2), whose* (1), women (1), yourself (3), yourselves (14), yourselves* (3).
well, maybe the 'ones' who had a 'regard' to the things of 'heaven' but after this 'warring' with Michael 'lost strength/vigor/did not prevail/was not strong enough'... to remain... and so 'no they were no longer 'found' in heaven... which they 'formerly' were.