Finally.........A Palestinian Contribution To Mankind

[Mindful]

MJB12741, et al,

There is this thing called "statecraft." It is the development and implementation of diplomatic and political strategies for dealing with the ever evolving environment of international relations. The theory and application of force and threats of force have been, and will continue to be, a necessary instrument of diplomacy. And as everyone knows, the "military option" (as it is sometime called) is not in the military decision-making process for the more advanced nations; but, an executive decision based on national security considerations and the respective priorities assigned, with respect to the consequences, economic impact, domestic and international backlash, and outcomes (on a scale of most dangerous to affordably successful with positive results), based on the national security objective.

This is not really rocket science for most of us. While we may not articulate it in some coherent fashion, at the micro-levels of interfacing with everyday life, we each instinctively know (Except for the Simple Minded) that some behaviors are societally acceptable and behaviors will have adverse consequences.

The Zionists in Israel need to put an end to placating Palestinian demands which results in rocket missiles for a thank you.

(COMMENT)

The risks in promoting fiction between the Israelis and the Arab-Palestinians matter because stakes create tension. The protagonist’s (Arab-Palestinians) ultimate goal and objective, is a moving target. As if by Magic, it can change right before your eyes. Whether you respect the policy of the Palestinian Authority or the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), they each stand firm on the RoR for Palestinian refugees and displaced individuals; their right to their homes from which they were expelled or were prevented from returning to, including in the occupied territories of 1948 or 1967, i.e., to all of Palestine. .

If the Arab-Palestinian goal and objective is low, then tension is dependent on the aggravation presented by Arab-Palestinian jihadist activity, insurgent rocket and mortar fire, . The stakes are often linked to inner conflict, as the protagonist wonders if what is at stake is worth it. In these situations, the story line forces him to reconsider his beliefs and values. As the Arab-Palestinians cycle through their these period of incitement to violence, --- attack, suffer casualties, sue for peace, only to rearm again ... ... ... the the tension will build until the the domestic aspects of leadership becomes so hot that it burst and the executive leadership triggers another military intervention. Once the Leaders go reiterate their long standing oath to liberate the territory formerly under the Mandate, the environment will burst.

(ARAB-PALESTINIAN MANTRA)

No matter which document or policy you review (the 1948 Threat Letter, the 1968 Palestinian National Charter, the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, OR the 2012 HAMAS Policy Statement, the policy always comes back to the beginning:

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.

Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right.​

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

You mean the Jews.


Palestinian Jew is the term used to refer to a Jewish inhabitant of Palestine (known in Hebrew as Eretz Israel, the "Land of Israel") prior to the establishment of the modern state of Israel.

There were Palestinian Jews but they were not the ones who declared independence. The native Jews were opposed to a Jewish state.

Do you know anything, anything atall about Jews and Judaism? Before you shout your mouth off with sweeping statements?

 

[P F Tinmore]

MJB12741, et al,

There is this thing called "statecraft." It is the development and implementation of diplomatic and political strategies for dealing with the ever evolving environment of international relations. The theory and application of force and threats of force have been, and will continue to be, a necessary instrument of diplomacy. And as everyone knows, the "military option" (as it is sometime called) is not in the military decision-making process for the more advanced nations; but, an executive decision based on national security considerations and the respective priorities assigned, with respect to the consequences, economic impact, domestic and international backlash, and outcomes (on a scale of most dangerous to affordably successful with positive results), based on the national security objective.

This is not really rocket science for most of us. While we may not articulate it in some coherent fashion, at the micro-levels of interfacing with everyday life, we each instinctively know (Except for the Simple Minded) that some behaviors are societally acceptable and behaviors will have adverse consequences.

The Zionists in Israel need to put an end to placating Palestinian demands which results in rocket missiles for a thank you.

(COMMENT)

The risks in promoting fiction between the Israelis and the Arab-Palestinians matter because stakes create tension. The protagonist’s (Arab-Palestinians) ultimate goal and objective, is a moving target. As if by Magic, it can change right before your eyes. Whether you respect the policy of the Palestinian Authority or the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), they each stand firm on the RoR for Palestinian refugees and displaced individuals; their right to their homes from which they were expelled or were prevented from returning to, including in the occupied territories of 1948 or 1967, i.e., to all of Palestine. .

If the Arab-Palestinian goal and objective is low, then tension is dependent on the aggravation presented by Arab-Palestinian jihadist activity, insurgent rocket and mortar fire, . The stakes are often linked to inner conflict, as the protagonist wonders if what is at stake is worth it. In these situations, the story line forces him to reconsider his beliefs and values. As the Arab-Palestinians cycle through their these period of incitement to violence, --- attack, suffer casualties, sue for peace, only to rearm again ... ... ... the the tension will build until the the domestic aspects of leadership becomes so hot that it burst and the executive leadership triggers another military intervention. Once the Leaders go reiterate their long standing oath to liberate the territory formerly under the Mandate, the environment will burst.

(ARAB-PALESTINIAN MANTRA)

No matter which document or policy you review (the 1948 Threat Letter, the 1968 Palestinian National Charter, the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, OR the 2012 HAMAS Policy Statement, the policy always comes back to the beginning:

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.

Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right.​

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

So which river, which sea, how far north and how far south. The Israelis could say the same thing and mean the North sea, the river Ganges, North pole and south pole. Like everything the arab muslims say it is meaningless and can be taken to mean anything.



And what international oe International treaty gives them the right to this land after they signed it away in 1917 ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

MJB12741, et al,

There is this thing called "statecraft." It is the development and implementation of diplomatic and political strategies for dealing with the ever evolving environment of international relations. The theory and application of force and threats of force have been, and will continue to be, a necessary instrument of diplomacy. And as everyone knows, the "military option" (as it is sometime called) is not in the military decision-making process for the more advanced nations; but, an executive decision based on national security considerations and the respective priorities assigned, with respect to the consequences, economic impact, domestic and international backlash, and outcomes (on a scale of most dangerous to affordably successful with positive results), based on the national security objective.

This is not really rocket science for most of us. While we may not articulate it in some coherent fashion, at the micro-levels of interfacing with everyday life, we each instinctively know (Except for the Simple Minded) that some behaviors are societally acceptable and behaviors will have adverse consequences.

The Zionists in Israel need to put an end to placating Palestinian demands which results in rocket missiles for a thank you.

(COMMENT)

The risks in promoting fiction between the Israelis and the Arab-Palestinians matter because stakes create tension. The protagonist’s (Arab-Palestinians) ultimate goal and objective, is a moving target. As if by Magic, it can change right before your eyes. Whether you respect the policy of the Palestinian Authority or the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), they each stand firm on the RoR for Palestinian refugees and displaced individuals; their right to their homes from which they were expelled or were prevented from returning to, including in the occupied territories of 1948 or 1967, i.e., to all of Palestine. .

If the Arab-Palestinian goal and objective is low, then tension is dependent on the aggravation presented by Arab-Palestinian jihadist activity, insurgent rocket and mortar fire, . The stakes are often linked to inner conflict, as the protagonist wonders if what is at stake is worth it. In these situations, the story line forces him to reconsider his beliefs and values. As the Arab-Palestinians cycle through their these period of incitement to violence, --- attack, suffer casualties, sue for peace, only to rearm again ... ... ... the the tension will build until the the domestic aspects of leadership becomes so hot that it burst and the executive leadership triggers another military intervention. Once the Leaders go reiterate their long standing oath to liberate the territory formerly under the Mandate, the environment will burst.

(ARAB-PALESTINIAN MANTRA)

No matter which document or policy you review (the 1948 Threat Letter, the 1968 Palestinian National Charter, the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, OR the 2012 HAMAS Policy Statement, the policy always comes back to the beginning:

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.

Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right.​

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

You mean the Jews.


Palestinian Jew is the term used to refer to a Jewish inhabitant of Palestine (known in Hebrew as Eretz Israel, the "Land of Israel") prior to the establishment of the modern state of Israel.

There were Palestinian Jews but they were not the ones who declared independence. The native Jews were opposed to a Jewish state.

Do you know anything, anything atall about Jews and Judaism? Before you shout your mouth off with sweeping statements?

Sure, do you?

 

[RoccoR]

Mindful, Phoenall, et al,

Actually, there is a relationship here, between these two concepts; from and external view.

• The notion that "Palestine" can only be "Arab Land" is a justification to eradicate the Jewish National Home.
• The dehumanization is the process by which the Arab-Palestinian clears the way morally and ethically for extermination (pest control).
​

And they forget that palestine included Jordan, part of Syria, Saudi, Egypt and Lebanon prior to 1924, so you dont see them claiming all that land as the palestinian state because they know their fellow muslims will just destroy them.

(COMMENT)

Yes, read in isolation, it sometimes appears to be contradictory; but it is not. The Arab-Palestinian defined "Palestine" as being "from its river to its sea, from its north to its south."

This statement is a bit ambiguous. Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. Sometimes they refer to the territory formerly under mandate at the time of termination.

Having said that, there are factions buried deep within the Arab-Palestinian Community that believe the Hashemite Kingdom needs to be ruled by Palestinians. This is a Latent Agenda (hidden and unspoken) with the Fedayeen dating back to the late 1960;s. At some point the Arab-Palestinian will turn its attention back towards Jordan, just as they did in 1970 in a bit at Regime Change.

Here's a nice Palestinian "contribution".
Palestinian activist says that Jews have “at best, animal rights”

(COMMENT)

There are many (not all) Arab factions which agree that the Jewish People are subhuman. And to the radicalized Arab, it become important (not only) to define the Jewish Culture and People as less than human, but that the dehumanization process continue; as a generationally transmitted trait. These traits and beliefs about the subhuman characteristic if the Jewish People passed-on as if it was some type of Multigenerational Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). The questions about existence, knowledge and ethics of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. --- as seen by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) --- becomes a truth and reality all its own. These is exactly how the "Palestinian summer camps in Jerusalem and Gaza --- go about actively indoctrinating young children with radical jihadist ideology and preparing them for martyrdom (suicide) operations" becomes as natural as a Catholic Altar Boy learning when to genuflect in church. The practice and ritual become reality, which is ia form of truth passing from parents to their offspring; expressed in terms of historical or mythical explanation. (See "Hamas . . . uses schools . . . to spread the gospel about their jihad, or holy war, and to recruit young suicide bombers with the lure of martyrdom": Introduction: Structure, Arguments, and Conceptual Framework) (Also See: "Hamas has introduced a new textbook for 55,000 high-school students in the Gaza Strip. The new book is just one part of Hamas’ efforts to indoctrinate Palestinian youth with hatred of Israel and Jews.")

PA textbooks support violence and demonization of Israel, Jews, report finds:
It also promotes the “demonization of Israel and Jews, including the characterization of Israel as an evil entity that should be annihilated,” the report found.
​

(THE ANALOGY)

In the world of Physics-Astronomy, Educators and scientist tell me that more than 80% of the mass of the universe is made up of material that I cannot see (no matter what instrument I use or what part of the spectrum I check), hear (no matter the amplification), smell (no matter the olfactory capability), taste (no matter the sensation of flavor), or feel (no matter the sensitivity to the touch). Other than the fact my wife (the same 19 year old I married 38 years ago) think I'm a philistine (utterly lacking intellectually, in aesthetic refinement, or is contentedly commonplace in ideas and tastes) --- why should I believe these educators and scientist? The existence of such a material or substance flies in the face of logic. Why? Because I was, many moons ago, indoctrinated to believe in the Democritus’ view - which was that all substances on Earth where made of small particles called atoms (not Earth, Wind, Fire and Water from Aristotle's view). And this indoctrination (along with the four food groups) stuck with me for decades.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Mindful]

MJB12741, et al,

There is this thing called "statecraft." It is the development and implementation of diplomatic and political strategies for dealing with the ever evolving environment of international relations. The theory and application of force and threats of force have been, and will continue to be, a necessary instrument of diplomacy. And as everyone knows, the "military option" (as it is sometime called) is not in the military decision-making process for the more advanced nations; but, an executive decision based on national security considerations and the respective priorities assigned, with respect to the consequences, economic impact, domestic and international backlash, and outcomes (on a scale of most dangerous to affordably successful with positive results), based on the national security objective.

This is not really rocket science for most of us. While we may not articulate it in some coherent fashion, at the micro-levels of interfacing with everyday life, we each instinctively know (Except for the Simple Minded) that some behaviors are societally acceptable and behaviors will have adverse consequences.

(COMMENT)

The risks in promoting fiction between the Israelis and the Arab-Palestinians matter because stakes create tension. The protagonist’s (Arab-Palestinians) ultimate goal and objective, is a moving target. As if by Magic, it can change right before your eyes. Whether you respect the policy of the Palestinian Authority or the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), they each stand firm on the RoR for Palestinian refugees and displaced individuals; their right to their homes from which they were expelled or were prevented from returning to, including in the occupied territories of 1948 or 1967, i.e., to all of Palestine. .

If the Arab-Palestinian goal and objective is low, then tension is dependent on the aggravation presented by Arab-Palestinian jihadist activity, insurgent rocket and mortar fire, . The stakes are often linked to inner conflict, as the protagonist wonders if what is at stake is worth it. In these situations, the story line forces him to reconsider his beliefs and values. As the Arab-Palestinians cycle through their these period of incitement to violence, --- attack, suffer casualties, sue for peace, only to rearm again ... ... ... the the tension will build until the the domestic aspects of leadership becomes so hot that it burst and the executive leadership triggers another military intervention. Once the Leaders go reiterate their long standing oath to liberate the territory formerly under the Mandate, the environment will burst.

(ARAB-PALESTINIAN MANTRA)

No matter which document or policy you review (the 1948 Threat Letter, the 1968 Palestinian National Charter, the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, OR the 2012 HAMAS Policy Statement, the policy always comes back to the beginning:

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.

Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right.​

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

You mean the Jews.


Palestinian Jew is the term used to refer to a Jewish inhabitant of Palestine (known in Hebrew as Eretz Israel, the "Land of Israel") prior to the establishment of the modern state of Israel.

There were Palestinian Jews but they were not the ones who declared independence. The native Jews were opposed to a Jewish state.

Do you know anything, anything atall about Jews and Judaism? Before you shout your mouth off with sweeping statements?

Sure, do you?

Stupid reply.

 

[Hollie]

MJB12741, et al,

There is this thing called "statecraft." It is the development and implementation of diplomatic and political strategies for dealing with the ever evolving environment of international relations. The theory and application of force and threats of force have been, and will continue to be, a necessary instrument of diplomacy. And as everyone knows, the "military option" (as it is sometime called) is not in the military decision-making process for the more advanced nations; but, an executive decision based on national security considerations and the respective priorities assigned, with respect to the consequences, economic impact, domestic and international backlash, and outcomes (on a scale of most dangerous to affordably successful with positive results), based on the national security objective.

This is not really rocket science for most of us. While we may not articulate it in some coherent fashion, at the micro-levels of interfacing with everyday life, we each instinctively know (Except for the Simple Minded) that some behaviors are societally acceptable and behaviors will have adverse consequences.

The Zionists in Israel need to put an end to placating Palestinian demands which results in rocket missiles for a thank you.

(COMMENT)

The risks in promoting fiction between the Israelis and the Arab-Palestinians matter because stakes create tension. The protagonist’s (Arab-Palestinians) ultimate goal and objective, is a moving target. As if by Magic, it can change right before your eyes. Whether you respect the policy of the Palestinian Authority or the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), they each stand firm on the RoR for Palestinian refugees and displaced individuals; their right to their homes from which they were expelled or were prevented from returning to, including in the occupied territories of 1948 or 1967, i.e., to all of Palestine. .

If the Arab-Palestinian goal and objective is low, then tension is dependent on the aggravation presented by Arab-Palestinian jihadist activity, insurgent rocket and mortar fire, . The stakes are often linked to inner conflict, as the protagonist wonders if what is at stake is worth it. In these situations, the story line forces him to reconsider his beliefs and values. As the Arab-Palestinians cycle through their these period of incitement to violence, --- attack, suffer casualties, sue for peace, only to rearm again ... ... ... the the tension will build until the the domestic aspects of leadership becomes so hot that it burst and the executive leadership triggers another military intervention. Once the Leaders go reiterate their long standing oath to liberate the territory formerly under the Mandate, the environment will burst.

(ARAB-PALESTINIAN MANTRA)

No matter which document or policy you review (the 1948 Threat Letter, the 1968 Palestinian National Charter, the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, OR the 2012 HAMAS Policy Statement, the policy always comes back to the beginning:

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.

Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right.​

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

Well gee whiz. That's little more than a reiteration of the Hamas Charter wherein they define all of Isreal as an islamist waqf. Reiterating the rantings of Islamic terrorists who themselves are reiterating the rantings of an Arab warlord is hardly meaningful dialogue.

 

[Phoenall]

MJB12741, et al,

There is this thing called "statecraft." It is the development and implementation of diplomatic and political strategies for dealing with the ever evolving environment of international relations. The theory and application of force and threats of force have been, and will continue to be, a necessary instrument of diplomacy. And as everyone knows, the "military option" (as it is sometime called) is not in the military decision-making process for the more advanced nations; but, an executive decision based on national security considerations and the respective priorities assigned, with respect to the consequences, economic impact, domestic and international backlash, and outcomes (on a scale of most dangerous to affordably successful with positive results), based on the national security objective.

This is not really rocket science for most of us. While we may not articulate it in some coherent fashion, at the micro-levels of interfacing with everyday life, we each instinctively know (Except for the Simple Minded) that some behaviors are societally acceptable and behaviors will have adverse consequences.

The Zionists in Israel need to put an end to placating Palestinian demands which results in rocket missiles for a thank you.

(COMMENT)

The risks in promoting fiction between the Israelis and the Arab-Palestinians matter because stakes create tension. The protagonist’s (Arab-Palestinians) ultimate goal and objective, is a moving target. As if by Magic, it can change right before your eyes. Whether you respect the policy of the Palestinian Authority or the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), they each stand firm on the RoR for Palestinian refugees and displaced individuals; their right to their homes from which they were expelled or were prevented from returning to, including in the occupied territories of 1948 or 1967, i.e., to all of Palestine. .

If the Arab-Palestinian goal and objective is low, then tension is dependent on the aggravation presented by Arab-Palestinian jihadist activity, insurgent rocket and mortar fire, . The stakes are often linked to inner conflict, as the protagonist wonders if what is at stake is worth it. In these situations, the story line forces him to reconsider his beliefs and values. As the Arab-Palestinians cycle through their these period of incitement to violence, --- attack, suffer casualties, sue for peace, only to rearm again ... ... ... the the tension will build until the the domestic aspects of leadership becomes so hot that it burst and the executive leadership triggers another military intervention. Once the Leaders go reiterate their long standing oath to liberate the territory formerly under the Mandate, the environment will burst.

(ARAB-PALESTINIAN MANTRA)

No matter which document or policy you review (the 1948 Threat Letter, the 1968 Palestinian National Charter, the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, OR the 2012 HAMAS Policy Statement, the policy always comes back to the beginning:

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.

Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right.​

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

You mean the Jews.


Palestinian Jew is the term used to refer to a Jewish inhabitant of Palestine (known in Hebrew as Eretz Israel, the "Land of Israel") prior to the establishment of the modern state of Israel.

There were Palestinian Jews but they were not the ones who declared independence. The native Jews were opposed to a Jewish state.

According to which islamonazi propaganda media outlet, as they wanted the safety of a state as much as any other Jew. Your islamonazi lies will never trump the truth, no matter how many times you repeat them

 

[Phoenall]

MJB12741, et al,

There is this thing called "statecraft." It is the development and implementation of diplomatic and political strategies for dealing with the ever evolving environment of international relations. The theory and application of force and threats of force have been, and will continue to be, a necessary instrument of diplomacy. And as everyone knows, the "military option" (as it is sometime called) is not in the military decision-making process for the more advanced nations; but, an executive decision based on national security considerations and the respective priorities assigned, with respect to the consequences, economic impact, domestic and international backlash, and outcomes (on a scale of most dangerous to affordably successful with positive results), based on the national security objective.

This is not really rocket science for most of us. While we may not articulate it in some coherent fashion, at the micro-levels of interfacing with everyday life, we each instinctively know (Except for the Simple Minded) that some behaviors are societally acceptable and behaviors will have adverse consequences.

The Zionists in Israel need to put an end to placating Palestinian demands which results in rocket missiles for a thank you.

(COMMENT)

The risks in promoting fiction between the Israelis and the Arab-Palestinians matter because stakes create tension. The protagonist’s (Arab-Palestinians) ultimate goal and objective, is a moving target. As if by Magic, it can change right before your eyes. Whether you respect the policy of the Palestinian Authority or the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), they each stand firm on the RoR for Palestinian refugees and displaced individuals; their right to their homes from which they were expelled or were prevented from returning to, including in the occupied territories of 1948 or 1967, i.e., to all of Palestine. .

If the Arab-Palestinian goal and objective is low, then tension is dependent on the aggravation presented by Arab-Palestinian jihadist activity, insurgent rocket and mortar fire, . The stakes are often linked to inner conflict, as the protagonist wonders if what is at stake is worth it. In these situations, the story line forces him to reconsider his beliefs and values. As the Arab-Palestinians cycle through their these period of incitement to violence, --- attack, suffer casualties, sue for peace, only to rearm again ... ... ... the the tension will build until the the domestic aspects of leadership becomes so hot that it burst and the executive leadership triggers another military intervention. Once the Leaders go reiterate their long standing oath to liberate the territory formerly under the Mandate, the environment will burst.

(ARAB-PALESTINIAN MANTRA)

No matter which document or policy you review (the 1948 Threat Letter, the 1968 Palestinian National Charter, the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, OR the 2012 HAMAS Policy Statement, the policy always comes back to the beginning:

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.

Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right.​

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

So which river, which sea, how far north and how far south. The Israelis could say the same thing and mean the North sea, the river Ganges, North pole and south pole. Like everything the arab muslims say it is meaningless and can be taken to mean anything.

It's like Groundhog Day with him

He is either a multiple personality or a multitude of persons the number of times he/she repeats the same islamonazi propaganda

 

[Phoenall]

MJB12741, et al,

There is this thing called "statecraft." It is the development and implementation of diplomatic and political strategies for dealing with the ever evolving environment of international relations. The theory and application of force and threats of force have been, and will continue to be, a necessary instrument of diplomacy. And as everyone knows, the "military option" (as it is sometime called) is not in the military decision-making process for the more advanced nations; but, an executive decision based on national security considerations and the respective priorities assigned, with respect to the consequences, economic impact, domestic and international backlash, and outcomes (on a scale of most dangerous to affordably successful with positive results), based on the national security objective.

This is not really rocket science for most of us. While we may not articulate it in some coherent fashion, at the micro-levels of interfacing with everyday life, we each instinctively know (Except for the Simple Minded) that some behaviors are societally acceptable and behaviors will have adverse consequences.

The Zionists in Israel need to put an end to placating Palestinian demands which results in rocket missiles for a thank you.

(COMMENT)

The risks in promoting fiction between the Israelis and the Arab-Palestinians matter because stakes create tension. The protagonist’s (Arab-Palestinians) ultimate goal and objective, is a moving target. As if by Magic, it can change right before your eyes. Whether you respect the policy of the Palestinian Authority or the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), they each stand firm on the RoR for Palestinian refugees and displaced individuals; their right to their homes from which they were expelled or were prevented from returning to, including in the occupied territories of 1948 or 1967, i.e., to all of Palestine. .

If the Arab-Palestinian goal and objective is low, then tension is dependent on the aggravation presented by Arab-Palestinian jihadist activity, insurgent rocket and mortar fire, . The stakes are often linked to inner conflict, as the protagonist wonders if what is at stake is worth it. In these situations, the story line forces him to reconsider his beliefs and values. As the Arab-Palestinians cycle through their these period of incitement to violence, --- attack, suffer casualties, sue for peace, only to rearm again ... ... ... the the tension will build until the the domestic aspects of leadership becomes so hot that it burst and the executive leadership triggers another military intervention. Once the Leaders go reiterate their long standing oath to liberate the territory formerly under the Mandate, the environment will burst.

(ARAB-PALESTINIAN MANTRA)

No matter which document or policy you review (the 1948 Threat Letter, the 1968 Palestinian National Charter, the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, OR the 2012 HAMAS Policy Statement, the policy always comes back to the beginning:

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.

Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right.​

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

So which river, which sea, how far north and how far south. The Israelis could say the same thing and mean the North sea, the river Ganges, North pole and south pole. Like everything the arab muslims say it is meaningless and can be taken to mean anything.



And what international oe International treaty gives them the right to this land after they signed it away in 1917 ?

Simple question that even your limited intelligence should be able to answer.

When did the arab muslims from outside the area get ownership and sovereignty of the land granted to the Jews as their national home. What treaty or international law handed them the title deeds, other than the fake ones arafat was selling in the suks and markets at the time.

 

[Phoenall]

MJB12741, et al,

There is this thing called "statecraft." It is the development and implementation of diplomatic and political strategies for dealing with the ever evolving environment of international relations. The theory and application of force and threats of force have been, and will continue to be, a necessary instrument of diplomacy. And as everyone knows, the "military option" (as it is sometime called) is not in the military decision-making process for the more advanced nations; but, an executive decision based on national security considerations and the respective priorities assigned, with respect to the consequences, economic impact, domestic and international backlash, and outcomes (on a scale of most dangerous to affordably successful with positive results), based on the national security objective.

This is not really rocket science for most of us. While we may not articulate it in some coherent fashion, at the micro-levels of interfacing with everyday life, we each instinctively know (Except for the Simple Minded) that some behaviors are societally acceptable and behaviors will have adverse consequences.

(COMMENT)

The risks in promoting fiction between the Israelis and the Arab-Palestinians matter because stakes create tension. The protagonist’s (Arab-Palestinians) ultimate goal and objective, is a moving target. As if by Magic, it can change right before your eyes. Whether you respect the policy of the Palestinian Authority or the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), they each stand firm on the RoR for Palestinian refugees and displaced individuals; their right to their homes from which they were expelled or were prevented from returning to, including in the occupied territories of 1948 or 1967, i.e., to all of Palestine. .

If the Arab-Palestinian goal and objective is low, then tension is dependent on the aggravation presented by Arab-Palestinian jihadist activity, insurgent rocket and mortar fire, . The stakes are often linked to inner conflict, as the protagonist wonders if what is at stake is worth it. In these situations, the story line forces him to reconsider his beliefs and values. As the Arab-Palestinians cycle through their these period of incitement to violence, --- attack, suffer casualties, sue for peace, only to rearm again ... ... ... the the tension will build until the the domestic aspects of leadership becomes so hot that it burst and the executive leadership triggers another military intervention. Once the Leaders go reiterate their long standing oath to liberate the territory formerly under the Mandate, the environment will burst.

(ARAB-PALESTINIAN MANTRA)

No matter which document or policy you review (the 1948 Threat Letter, the 1968 Palestinian National Charter, the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, OR the 2012 HAMAS Policy Statement, the policy always comes back to the beginning:

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.

Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right.​

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

You mean the Jews.


Palestinian Jew is the term used to refer to a Jewish inhabitant of Palestine (known in Hebrew as Eretz Israel, the "Land of Israel") prior to the establishment of the modern state of Israel.

There were Palestinian Jews but they were not the ones who declared independence. The native Jews were opposed to a Jewish state.

Do you know anything, anything atall about Jews and Judaism? Before you shout your mouth off with sweeping statements?

Sure, do you?

What is the procedure on entering a Synagogue then ?

 

[Phoenall]

Mindful, Phoenall, et al,

Actually, there is a relationship here, between these two concepts; from and external view.

• The notion that "Palestine" can only be "Arab Land" is a justification to eradicate the Jewish National Home.
• The dehumanization is the process by which the Arab-Palestinian clears the way morally and ethically for extermination (pest control).
​

And they forget that palestine included Jordan, part of Syria, Saudi, Egypt and Lebanon prior to 1924, so you dont see them claiming all that land as the palestinian state because they know their fellow muslims will just destroy them.

(COMMENT)

Yes, read in isolation, it sometimes appears to be contradictory; but it is not. The Arab-Palestinian defined "Palestine" as being "from its river to its sea, from its north to its south."

This statement is a bit ambiguous. Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. Sometimes they refer to the territory formerly under mandate at the time of termination.

Having said that, there are factions buried deep within the Arab-Palestinian Community that believe the Hashemite Kingdom needs to be ruled by Palestinians. This is a Latent Agenda (hidden and unspoken) with the Fedayeen dating back to the late 1960;s. At some point the Arab-Palestinian will turn its attention back towards Jordan, just as they did in 1970 in a bit at Regime Change.

Here's a nice Palestinian "contribution".
Palestinian activist says that Jews have “at best, animal rights”

(COMMENT)

There are many (not all) Arab factions which agree that the Jewish People are subhuman. And to the radicalized Arab, it become important (not only) to define the Jewish Culture and People as less than human, but that the dehumanization process continue; as a generationally transmitted trait. These traits and beliefs about the subhuman characteristic if the Jewish People passed-on as if it was some type of Multigenerational Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). The questions about existence, knowledge and ethics of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. --- as seen by the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) --- becomes a truth and reality all its own. These is exactly how the "Palestinian summer camps in Jerusalem and Gaza --- go about actively indoctrinating young children with radical jihadist ideology and preparing them for martyrdom (suicide) operations" becomes as natural as a Catholic Altar Boy learning when to genuflect in church. The practice and ritual become reality, which is ia form of truth passing from parents to their offspring; expressed in terms of historical or mythical explanation. (See "Hamas . . . uses schools . . . to spread the gospel about their jihad, or holy war, and to recruit young suicide bombers with the lure of martyrdom": Introduction: Structure, Arguments, and Conceptual Framework) (Also See: "Hamas has introduced a new textbook for 55,000 high-school students in the Gaza Strip. The new book is just one part of Hamas’ efforts to indoctrinate Palestinian youth with hatred of Israel and Jews.")

PA textbooks support violence and demonization of Israel, Jews, report finds:
It also promotes the “demonization of Israel and Jews, including the characterization of Israel as an evil entity that should be annihilated,” the report found.
​

(THE ANALOGY)

In the world of Physics-Astronomy, Educators and scientist tell me that more than 80% of the mass of the universe is made up of material that I cannot see (no matter what instrument I use or what part of the spectrum I check), hear (no matter the amplification), smell (no matter the olfactory capability), taste (no matter the sensation of flavor), or feel (no matter the sensitivity to the touch). Other than the fact my wife (the same 19 year old I married 38 years ago) think I'm a philistine (utterly lacking intellectually, in aesthetic refinement, or is contentedly commonplace in ideas and tastes) --- why should I believe these educators and scientist? The existence of such a material or substance flies in the face of logic. Why? Because I was, many moons ago, indoctrinated to believe in the Democritus’ view - which was that all substances on Earth where made of small particles called atoms (not Earth, Wind, Fire and Water from Aristotle's view). And this indoctrination (along with the four food groups) stuck with me for decades.

Most Respectfully,
R

Let us call it what they themselves call it FILASTIN, and the arab muslims that infest the land FILASTINES. That way there can be no confusion as to who we are talking about. The palestinians will be the Jews and Christians starting from 70C.E., and the filastines starting from 1964 C.E.

 

[Hollie]

Just when you think that the Arab-Moslem Death Cultists in Pal'istan can't possibly redefine their portion of humanity in terms any more vile than they managed to accomplish just a week ago, they offer a surprise by plumbing new depths of depravity.

PA to kids: Don't be afraid to die martyr's death


Such a wonderful contribution to humanity.

 

[Shusha]

Just when you think that the Arab-Moslem Death Cultists in Pal'istan can't possibly redefine their portion of humanity in terms any more vile than they managed to accomplish just a week ago, they offer a surprise by plumbing new depths of depravity.

PA to kids: Don't be afraid to die martyr's death


Such a wonderful contribution to humanity.

This makes me want to vomit. One of my children just graduated from high school and I can't imagine having a graduation ceremony celebrating murderers for their "contribution" to their society.

 

[P F Tinmore]

MJB12741, et al,

There is this thing called "statecraft." It is the development and implementation of diplomatic and political strategies for dealing with the ever evolving environment of international relations. The theory and application of force and threats of force have been, and will continue to be, a necessary instrument of diplomacy. And as everyone knows, the "military option" (as it is sometime called) is not in the military decision-making process for the more advanced nations; but, an executive decision based on national security considerations and the respective priorities assigned, with respect to the consequences, economic impact, domestic and international backlash, and outcomes (on a scale of most dangerous to affordably successful with positive results), based on the national security objective.

This is not really rocket science for most of us. While we may not articulate it in some coherent fashion, at the micro-levels of interfacing with everyday life, we each instinctively know (Except for the Simple Minded) that some behaviors are societally acceptable and behaviors will have adverse consequences.

The Zionists in Israel need to put an end to placating Palestinian demands which results in rocket missiles for a thank you.

(COMMENT)

The risks in promoting fiction between the Israelis and the Arab-Palestinians matter because stakes create tension. The protagonist’s (Arab-Palestinians) ultimate goal and objective, is a moving target. As if by Magic, it can change right before your eyes. Whether you respect the policy of the Palestinian Authority or the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), they each stand firm on the RoR for Palestinian refugees and displaced individuals; their right to their homes from which they were expelled or were prevented from returning to, including in the occupied territories of 1948 or 1967, i.e., to all of Palestine. .

If the Arab-Palestinian goal and objective is low, then tension is dependent on the aggravation presented by Arab-Palestinian jihadist activity, insurgent rocket and mortar fire, . The stakes are often linked to inner conflict, as the protagonist wonders if what is at stake is worth it. In these situations, the story line forces him to reconsider his beliefs and values. As the Arab-Palestinians cycle through their these period of incitement to violence, --- attack, suffer casualties, sue for peace, only to rearm again ... ... ... the the tension will build until the the domestic aspects of leadership becomes so hot that it burst and the executive leadership triggers another military intervention. Once the Leaders go reiterate their long standing oath to liberate the territory formerly under the Mandate, the environment will burst.

(ARAB-PALESTINIAN MANTRA)

No matter which document or policy you review (the 1948 Threat Letter, the 1968 Palestinian National Charter, the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, OR the 2012 HAMAS Policy Statement, the policy always comes back to the beginning:

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.

Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right.​

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

Well gee whiz. That's little more than a reiteration of the Hamas Charter wherein they define all of Isreal as an islamist waqf. Reiterating the rantings of Islamic terrorists who themselves are reiterating the rantings of an Arab warlord is hardly meaningful dialogue.

So, if I say the sky is blue and Hamas says the sky is blue that means I support Hamas?

 

[Phoenall]

MJB12741, et al,

There is this thing called "statecraft." It is the development and implementation of diplomatic and political strategies for dealing with the ever evolving environment of international relations. The theory and application of force and threats of force have been, and will continue to be, a necessary instrument of diplomacy. And as everyone knows, the "military option" (as it is sometime called) is not in the military decision-making process for the more advanced nations; but, an executive decision based on national security considerations and the respective priorities assigned, with respect to the consequences, economic impact, domestic and international backlash, and outcomes (on a scale of most dangerous to affordably successful with positive results), based on the national security objective.

This is not really rocket science for most of us. While we may not articulate it in some coherent fashion, at the micro-levels of interfacing with everyday life, we each instinctively know (Except for the Simple Minded) that some behaviors are societally acceptable and behaviors will have adverse consequences.

The Zionists in Israel need to put an end to placating Palestinian demands which results in rocket missiles for a thank you.

(COMMENT)

The risks in promoting fiction between the Israelis and the Arab-Palestinians matter because stakes create tension. The protagonist’s (Arab-Palestinians) ultimate goal and objective, is a moving target. As if by Magic, it can change right before your eyes. Whether you respect the policy of the Palestinian Authority or the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), they each stand firm on the RoR for Palestinian refugees and displaced individuals; their right to their homes from which they were expelled or were prevented from returning to, including in the occupied territories of 1948 or 1967, i.e., to all of Palestine. .

If the Arab-Palestinian goal and objective is low, then tension is dependent on the aggravation presented by Arab-Palestinian jihadist activity, insurgent rocket and mortar fire, . The stakes are often linked to inner conflict, as the protagonist wonders if what is at stake is worth it. In these situations, the story line forces him to reconsider his beliefs and values. As the Arab-Palestinians cycle through their these period of incitement to violence, --- attack, suffer casualties, sue for peace, only to rearm again ... ... ... the the tension will build until the the domestic aspects of leadership becomes so hot that it burst and the executive leadership triggers another military intervention. Once the Leaders go reiterate their long standing oath to liberate the territory formerly under the Mandate, the environment will burst.

(ARAB-PALESTINIAN MANTRA)

No matter which document or policy you review (the 1948 Threat Letter, the 1968 Palestinian National Charter, the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, OR the 2012 HAMAS Policy Statement, the policy always comes back to the beginning:

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.

Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right.​

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

Well gee whiz. That's little more than a reiteration of the Hamas Charter wherein they define all of Isreal as an islamist waqf. Reiterating the rantings of Islamic terrorists who themselves are reiterating the rantings of an Arab warlord is hardly meaningful dialogue.

So, if I say the sky is blue and Hamas says the sky is blue that means I support Hamas?

Only if everyone else says the sky is white

 

[Hollie]

MJB12741, et al,

There is this thing called "statecraft." It is the development and implementation of diplomatic and political strategies for dealing with the ever evolving environment of international relations. The theory and application of force and threats of force have been, and will continue to be, a necessary instrument of diplomacy. And as everyone knows, the "military option" (as it is sometime called) is not in the military decision-making process for the more advanced nations; but, an executive decision based on national security considerations and the respective priorities assigned, with respect to the consequences, economic impact, domestic and international backlash, and outcomes (on a scale of most dangerous to affordably successful with positive results), based on the national security objective.

This is not really rocket science for most of us. While we may not articulate it in some coherent fashion, at the micro-levels of interfacing with everyday life, we each instinctively know (Except for the Simple Minded) that some behaviors are societally acceptable and behaviors will have adverse consequences.

The Zionists in Israel need to put an end to placating Palestinian demands which results in rocket missiles for a thank you.

(COMMENT)

The risks in promoting fiction between the Israelis and the Arab-Palestinians matter because stakes create tension. The protagonist’s (Arab-Palestinians) ultimate goal and objective, is a moving target. As if by Magic, it can change right before your eyes. Whether you respect the policy of the Palestinian Authority or the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), they each stand firm on the RoR for Palestinian refugees and displaced individuals; their right to their homes from which they were expelled or were prevented from returning to, including in the occupied territories of 1948 or 1967, i.e., to all of Palestine. .

If the Arab-Palestinian goal and objective is low, then tension is dependent on the aggravation presented by Arab-Palestinian jihadist activity, insurgent rocket and mortar fire, . The stakes are often linked to inner conflict, as the protagonist wonders if what is at stake is worth it. In these situations, the story line forces him to reconsider his beliefs and values. As the Arab-Palestinians cycle through their these period of incitement to violence, --- attack, suffer casualties, sue for peace, only to rearm again ... ... ... the the tension will build until the the domestic aspects of leadership becomes so hot that it burst and the executive leadership triggers another military intervention. Once the Leaders go reiterate their long standing oath to liberate the territory formerly under the Mandate, the environment will burst.

(ARAB-PALESTINIAN MANTRA)

No matter which document or policy you review (the 1948 Threat Letter, the 1968 Palestinian National Charter, the 1988 HAMAS Covenant, OR the 2012 HAMAS Policy Statement, the policy always comes back to the beginning:

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.

Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.

• Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.
• Jihad and armed resistance is the correct and authentic means for the liberation of Palestine and the restoration of all rights.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right.​

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

Well gee whiz. That's little more than a reiteration of the Hamas Charter wherein they define all of Isreal as an islamist waqf. Reiterating the rantings of Islamic terrorists who themselves are reiterating the rantings of an Arab warlord is hardly meaningful dialogue.

So, if I say the sky is blue and Hamas says the sky is blue that means I support Hamas?

As I noted, your comments are in concert with the position of Hamas and with the position of other islamo-fascist groups which are explicit in their calls for "wiping Israel off the map".

There's no need for you to employ taqiyya.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, Hollie, et al,

The (so-called ) "right to self-determination" cannot be used to supplant the the sovereignty and integrity of another.

]

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

(COMMENT)

The 1948 All Palestine Government (APG) Declaration of Independence which attempted to incorporate the sovereignty of Israel was then and is now "bogus."

Trying to argue this point is simply ridiculous. Even the APG itself was not real. That became obvious when the Egyptians dissolved the APG in 1959. Where was the right of self-determination then?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, Hollie, et al,

The (so-called ) "right to self-determination" cannot be used to supplant the the sovereignty and integrity of another.

That is Palestine's required defined territory as stated in their 1948 declaration of independence.

(COMMENT)

The 1948 All Palestine Government (APG) Declaration of Independence which attempted to incorporate the sovereignty of Israel was then and is now "bogus."

I have heard that a gazillion times but nobody has posted anything showing it to be true.

Trying to argue this point is simply ridiculous. Even the APG itself was not real. That became obvious when the Egyptians dissolved the APG in 1959. Where was the right of self-determination then?

The right of self determination is the right of the people of the place. A state or government is not a requirement.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Great Philosophers and Zen Masters, in discussions with students --- seldom impart data or direct knowledge to the students. "Insight" and "enlightenment" are not a matter of memory or functions of language and mathematics. "Insight" and "enlightenment" is attainable by means of a formula or scrupulously following rules or directions. Instead, "insight" and "enlightenment" on the ability to adaptively think about individuals and the multiples, the local area, the global view, the solar community, the galactic constituents and the universe; orienting yourself to the conditions that present the "now." It is sometimes a need to find a wholly new way of making sense of the reality (U Yun Qin, ≈ 450 BCE). In the 17th Century, in a period of enlightenment, Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz would come to call this the "Principle of Sufficient Reason" (PSR). You may not know or understand the progression or a reason for a specific event, but if it happened, then their was a chain of causality.

PSR is very applicable to the arguments presented about the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

The 1948 All Palestine Government (APG) Declaration of Independence which attempted to incorporate the sovereignty of Israel was then and is now "bogus."

I have heard that a gazillion times but nobody has posted anything showing it to be true.

(COMMENT)

I. Questions to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Transjordan, Iraq, Yemen, Syria and Lebanon:

(a) Are armed elements of your armed forces or irregular forces sponsored by your Government now operating

(1) in Palestine;
(2) in areas (towns, cities, districts) of Palestine where the Jews are in the majority?​

The Answer: Page 418 Yearbook of the United Nations, 1947-1948

In its reply dated May 24 (S/775) the Arab Higher Committee stated in answer to question (a) that it exercised political authority over the overwhelming majority of the citizens of Palestine. Being composed of representatives of the different Arab political parties, it formed a coalition which expressed Arab public opinion in Palestine. The Arab Higher Committee concluded further that it therefore spoke in the name of the majority of all of Palestine, inasmuch as the Arabs were in the majority in all districts and sub-districts except that of Jaffa, in which Tel Aviv is located.

The Enlightenment: It cannot be the case that the All Palestine Government (APG) and the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) could simultaneously "exercised political authority over the overwhelming majority of the citizens of Palestine;" and that the AHC "spoke in the name of the majority of all of Palestine."
​

The reply of the Provisional Government of Israel (S/766) to the questions addressed to the "Jewish authorities in Palestine" was transmitted by the acting representative of Israel at the United Nations on May 22.
​

The Answer: Page 418 Yearbook of the United Nations, 1947-1948

​

In reply to questions (a) and (b) it was stated that the Provisional Government of Israel was actually exercising control of the entire area of the Jewish State as defined in the General Assembly's resolution of November 29, 1947. In addition, the Provisional Government of Israel was exercising control over certain parts of Palestine outside the territory of the State of Israel, parts which, with the notable exception of Jerusalem,

​

For Your Reference:

• 1947-48 Part 1: United Nations. Section 3: The Security Council. Chapter D: Political and security questions Beginning Page 439
• 1948-49 Title Page i The Yearbook of the United Nations
​

The Enlightenment:

∆ While your question may be interesting academically (only to a few), it applies no relevance to the reality as it was seen then by the Parties Involved. Clearly the APG was not a parties, but could be considered a limited constituency with no capacity.

Trying to argue this point is simply ridiculous. Even the APG itself was not real. That became obvious when the Egyptians dissolved the APG in 1959. Where was the right of self-determination then?

The right of self determination is the right of the people of the place. A state or government is not a requirement.

(COMMENT)

This is clearly an answer to a question, somewhere; but irrelevant to this discussion. The APG had no real constituency in the territory as a whole or in the sovereign control of Israel. The Arabs of Palestine were represented by the AHC.

"PART I.

"The consultations among the permanent members of the Security Council and informal communications with the Palestine Commission, the Mandatory Power, the Jewish Agency and the Arab Higher Committee, held since March 5, 1948, have developed the following facts regarding the situation with respect to Palestine:

"1. The Jewish Agency accepts the partition plan, considers it to be the irreducible minimum acceptable to the Jews, and insists upon the implementation of the plan without modification.

"2. The Arab Higher Committee rejects any solution based on partition in any form and considers that the only acceptable solution is the formation of one independent State for the whole of Palestine, whose constitution would be based on democratic principles and which would include adequate safeguards for minorities and the safety of the Holy Places.

"3. No modifications in the essentials of the partition plan are acceptable to the Jewish Agency, and no modifications would make the plan acceptable to the Arab Higher Committee.

"4. The Palestine Commission, the Mandatory Power, the Jewish Agency and the Arab Higher Committee have indicated that the partition plan cannot be implemented by peaceful means under present conditions.

"5. The Mandatory Power has confirmed that a considerable number of incursions of illegal arms and armed elements into Palestine have occurred by land and sea.

"6. The gradual withdrawal of the military forces of the Mandatory Power will, in the absence of agreement, result in increasing violence and disorder in Palestine. Warfare of a guerrilla type grows more violent constantly.

"7. If the mandate is terminated prior to a peaceful solution of the problem, large-scale fighting between the two communities can be expected.
​

The importance here is that immediately prior to the outbreak of hostilities, the principle players were the Palestine Commission, the Mandatory Power, the Jewish Agency and the Arab Higher Committee. The All-Palestine Government was not established by the Arab League until on 22 September 1948. "At its 200th meeting on 15 November, the First Committee decided, by a vote of 48 to none, with 5 abstentions, to grant a hearing to the Arab Higher Committee, in accordance with its request (A/C.1/335), to express the views of the Arabs of Palestine on the question of Palestine and on the report of the Mediator. The Committee, however, made no allusion to the credentials of the Higher Committee as representing the All-Palestine Government, as had been requested by the Higher Committee and the All-Palestine Government (A/C.1/339)." See UN Yearbook 1948-49 Part i, Section 3, Page 168)

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

The Great Philosophers and Zen Masters, in discussions with students --- seldom impart data or direct knowledge to the students. "Insight" and "enlightenment" are not a matter of memory or functions of language and mathematics. "Insight" and "enlightenment" is attainable by means of a formula or scrupulously following rules or directions. Instead, "insight" and "enlightenment" on the ability to adaptively think about individuals and the multiples, the local area, the global view, the solar community, the galactic constituents and the universe; orienting yourself to the conditions that present the "now." It is sometimes a need to find a wholly new way of making sense of the reality (U Yun Qin, ≈ 450 BCE). In the 17th Century, in a period of enlightenment, Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz would come to call this the "Principle of Sufficient Reason" (PSR). You may not know or understand the progression or a reason for a specific event, but if it happened, then their was a chain of causality.

PSR is very applicable to the arguments presented about the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

The 1948 All Palestine Government (APG) Declaration of Independence which attempted to incorporate the sovereignty of Israel was then and is now "bogus."

I have heard that a gazillion times but nobody has posted anything showing it to be true.

(COMMENT)

I. Questions to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Transjordan, Iraq, Yemen, Syria and Lebanon:

(a) Are armed elements of your armed forces or irregular forces sponsored by your Government now operating

(1) in Palestine;
(2) in areas (towns, cities, districts) of Palestine where the Jews are in the majority?​

The Answer: Page 418 Yearbook of the United Nations, 1947-1948

In its reply dated May 24 (S/775) the Arab Higher Committee stated in answer to question (a) that it exercised political authority over the overwhelming majority of the citizens of Palestine. Being composed of representatives of the different Arab political parties, it formed a coalition which expressed Arab public opinion in Palestine. The Arab Higher Committee concluded further that it therefore spoke in the name of the majority of all of Palestine, inasmuch as the Arabs were in the majority in all districts and sub-districts except that of Jaffa, in which Tel Aviv is located.

The Enlightenment: It cannot be the case that the All Palestine Government (APG) and the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) could simultaneously "exercised political authority over the overwhelming majority of the citizens of Palestine;" and that the AHC "spoke in the name of the majority of all of Palestine."
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The reply of the Provisional Government of Israel (S/766) to the questions addressed to the "Jewish authorities in Palestine" was transmitted by the acting representative of Israel at the United Nations on May 22.
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The Answer: Page 418 Yearbook of the United Nations, 1947-1948

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In reply to questions (a) and (b) it was stated that the Provisional Government of Israel was actually exercising control of the entire area of the Jewish State as defined in the General Assembly's resolution of November 29, 1947. In addition, the Provisional Government of Israel was exercising control over certain parts of Palestine outside the territory of the State of Israel, parts which, with the notable exception of Jerusalem,

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For Your Reference:

• 1947-48 Part 1: United Nations. Section 3: The Security Council. Chapter D: Political and security questions Beginning Page 439
• 1948-49 Title Page i The Yearbook of the United Nations
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The Enlightenment:

∆ While your question may be interesting academically (only to a few), it applies no relevance to the reality as it was seen then by the Parties Involved. Clearly the APG was not a parties, but could be considered a limited constituency with no capacity.

Trying to argue this point is simply ridiculous. Even the APG itself was not real. That became obvious when the Egyptians dissolved the APG in 1959. Where was the right of self-determination then?

The right of self determination is the right of the people of the place. A state or government is not a requirement.

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This is clearly an answer to a question, somewhere; but irrelevant to this discussion. The APG had no real constituency in the territory as a whole or in the sovereign control of Israel. The Arabs of Palestine were represented by the AHC.

"PART I.

"The consultations among the permanent members of the Security Council and informal communications with the Palestine Commission, the Mandatory Power, the Jewish Agency and the Arab Higher Committee, held since March 5, 1948, have developed the following facts regarding the situation with respect to Palestine:

"1. The Jewish Agency accepts the partition plan, considers it to be the irreducible minimum acceptable to the Jews, and insists upon the implementation of the plan without modification.

"2. The Arab Higher Committee rejects any solution based on partition in any form and considers that the only acceptable solution is the formation of one independent State for the whole of Palestine, whose constitution would be based on democratic principles and which would include adequate safeguards for minorities and the safety of the Holy Places.

"3. No modifications in the essentials of the partition plan are acceptable to the Jewish Agency, and no modifications would make the plan acceptable to the Arab Higher Committee.

"4. The Palestine Commission, the Mandatory Power, the Jewish Agency and the Arab Higher Committee have indicated that the partition plan cannot be implemented by peaceful means under present conditions.

"5. The Mandatory Power has confirmed that a considerable number of incursions of illegal arms and armed elements into Palestine have occurred by land and sea.

"6. The gradual withdrawal of the military forces of the Mandatory Power will, in the absence of agreement, result in increasing violence and disorder in Palestine. Warfare of a guerrilla type grows more violent constantly.

"7. If the mandate is terminated prior to a peaceful solution of the problem, large-scale fighting between the two communities can be expected.
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The importance here is that immediately prior to the outbreak of hostilities, the principle players were the Palestine Commission, the Mandatory Power, the Jewish Agency and the Arab Higher Committee. The All-Palestine Government was not established by the Arab League until on 22 September 1948. "At its 200th meeting on 15 November, the First Committee decided, by a vote of 48 to none, with 5 abstentions, to grant a hearing to the Arab Higher Committee, in accordance with its request (A/C.1/335), to express the views of the Arabs of Palestine on the question of Palestine and on the report of the Mediator. The Committee, however, made no allusion to the credentials of the Higher Committee as representing the All-Palestine Government, as had been requested by the Higher Committee and the All-Palestine Government (A/C.1/339)." See UN Yearbook 1948-49 Part i, Section 3, Page 168)

Most Respectfully,
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The importance here is that immediately prior to the outbreak of hostilities, the principle players were the Palestine Commission, the Mandatory Power, the Jewish Agency and the Arab Higher Committee.

• Palestine Commission - Foreigners
• the Mandatory Power - Foreigners
• the Jewish Agency - Foreigners
• Arab Higher Committee - The only Palestinian body

So what happened to the only Palestinian representation?

When the Committee was outlawed in September 1937, six of its members were deported, its president Amin al-Husayni managed to escape arrest and went into exile in Beirut. Jamal al-Husayni escaped to Syria. Three other members were deported to the Seychelles, and other members moved into voluntary exile in neighbouring countries. Al-Hadi, who was out of the country at the time, was not allowed to return.

Arab Higher Committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

And your response will be a bunch of crap that foreigners did.