Fifteen Nails In The Liberal Coffin

[PoliticalChic]

The is that Liberal claim that, somehow, the other side is anti-science, anit-education, or some variation that paints us as 'stooopid.'

But mathematics is the language of science...and that element of mathematics known as statistics, skewers so very many Liberal policies, beliefs, and most closely held views.

The following, a series of talking-point defeats for Liberals....15 of 'em

Let's start:

As one function of the Progressive-Islamist Alliance, one can always expect Leftists to be the first to jump up to support Islamists, no matter what the outrage.
So....they'll hate this stat:

1) "....objective facts, logic and reason must yield to multiculturalist make-believe, “progressive” propaganda and political correctness run amok. Faithful Muslims want to kill you, and faithless progressives seem all too happy to help them along."
Matt Barber - Myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’

“When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.”
– The Quran, Surah 9:5

“Muslims account for only about 1 percent of the U.S. population but account for about half of terrorist attacks since 9/11. That means Muslims in the United States are about 5,000 percent more likely to commit terrorist attacks than non-Muslims.” -- Mark Krikorian




Leftists live on the myth that America is racist, and only unrestricted big government can save poor, put-upon minorities.
This is gonna hurt:

2) “... in 1958 a mere 4 percent of Americans approved of interracial marriage. By 2013, that number had grown to 87 percent. In 2012 these once-taboo unions hit an all-time high. Ku Klux Klan membership has shrunk drastically from millions a century ago to fewer than 5,000 today. The Black Panthers are essentially extinct. While plenty of other hate groups have attempted to fill the void, they have always operated on the margins of society. Black politicians are now common—President Obama’s percentage of the white vote was almost perfectly in line with that received by other recent Democrats, all of whom were white.

Granted, these statistics offer but a snapshot of American society, but the more one looks, the more a trend emerges. America is a lot of things; racist isn’t one of them.” -- Greg Jones




The 'liar of the year' authorized the eponymous "ObamaCare," proving, daily, to be a fraud:

3) “The harsh reality awaiting these low-income Americans is undeniable: according to 2013 data from a 2014 Merritt Hawkins study, 55% of doctors already refuse new Medicaid patients. According to the HSC Health Tracking Physician Survey, 2008, the percentage of doctors that refuse new Medicaid patients dwarf by about 8 to 10 times the percentage that refuses new private insurance patients.

Such ‘insurance’ from Obamacare not only fails to provide access to doctors, but research in the top medical journals such as Cancer, American Journal of Cardiology, Journal of Heart and Lung Transplantation and Annals of Surgery, show that Medicaid beneficiaries suffer worse outcomes than similar patients with private insurance ... all at an added cost of another $800 billion by CBO estimates to taxpayers after the decade.

It is not hyperbole to call Medicaid a disgrace at its annual cost of about $450 billion, and expanding it rather than helping poor people buy private insurance is simply inexplicable.” -- Scott Atlas
15 Stats That Destroy Liberal Narratives


That's just three.
More to come.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So Medicaid is a disgrace?

Then why did you indignantly refuse to to state your support for ending Medicaid the multiple times I asked you that question?

 

[Seawytch]

Wow...that's quite a cornucopia of cut and pastiness. PC throwing her shit against the wall to see what sticks...

 

[PoliticalChic]

So Medicaid is a disgrace?

Then why did you indignantly refuse to to state your support for ending Medicaid the multiple times I asked you that question?

Let me give you another chance:

"Such ‘insurance’ from Obamacare not only fails to provide access to doctors, but research in the top medical journals such as Cancer, American Journal of Cardiology, Journal of Heart and Lung Transplantation and Annals of Surgery, show that Medicaid beneficiaries suffer worse outcomes than similar patients with private insurance ... all at an added cost of another $800 billion by CBO estimates to taxpayers after the decade.

It is not hyperbole to call Medicaid a disgrace at its annual cost of about $450 billion, and expanding it rather than helping poor people buy private insurance is simply inexplicable.”

 

[Seawytch]

What is Medicaid's Impact on Access to Care, Health Outcomes, and Quality of Care? Setting the Record Straight on the Evidence

Controversy about the Medicaid expansion has been stoked by an assertion that first appeared in a Wall Street Journal editorial a couple of years ago and has since resurfaced periodically, that “Medicaid is worse than no coverage at all.” This claim about Medicaid is sharply at odds with the authoritative findings of the Institute of Medicine (IOM) Committee on Consequences of Uninsurance, detailed in Care Without Coverage: Too Little, Too Late, the second of six reports the IOM issued on the subject in the early 2000’s.7 Based on a comprehensive review of the research examining the impact of health insurance on adults, the IOM charted the causal pathway from coverage to better health outcomes, concluding:

Health insurance coverage is associated with better health outcomes for adults. It is also associated with having a regular source of care and with greater and more appropriate use of health services. These factors, in turn, improve the likelihood of disease screening and early detection, the management of chronic illness, and effective treatment of acute conditions such as traumatic brain injury and heart attacks. The ultimate result is improved health outcomes.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wow...that's quite a cornucopia of cut and pastiness. PC throwing her shit against the wall to see what sticks...

1. The vulgarity marks you as a Liberal.

2. "Cut and Paste" has nothing to do with the facts presented....merely the was I choose to present them.
The use of 'Cut and Paste" as a response...by vulgar Liberals, is a diaphanous dodge to avoid facing reality...
....the reality that the facts eviscerate Liberal talking points.


Again...you have neither countered nor confronted anything in the OP.


Based on what you have posted, we can stipulate that you can find no way to disagree with the facts
a. The Obama attempts to flood America with Muslims from the most radicalized areas

b. America long ago deposed the Democrats who enforced racism, and there in no need for big government to shield minorities from....them.

c. ObamaCare fails in so very many ways....including that fact that it causes more health problems for the poor.


Thanks so much for serving as a foil.

 

[ClosedCaption]

The following, a series of talking-point defeats for Liberals....15 of 'em

A person who cuts and pastes talking points cuts and pastes talking points for other cut and pasters to use.

Free thinkers here

 

[NYcarbineer]

So Medicaid is a disgrace?

Then why did you indignantly refuse to to state your support for ending Medicaid the multiple times I asked you that question?

Let me give you another chance:

"Such ‘insurance’ from Obamacare not only fails to provide access to doctors, but research in the top medical journals such as Cancer, American Journal of Cardiology, Journal of Heart and Lung Transplantation and Annals of Surgery, show that Medicaid beneficiaries suffer worse outcomes than similar patients with private insurance ... all at an added cost of another $800 billion by CBO estimates to taxpayers after the decade.

It is not hyperbole to call Medicaid a disgrace at its annual cost of about $450 billion, and expanding it rather than helping poor people buy private insurance is simply inexplicable.”

Obamacare helps poorer people buy private insurance. Are you claiming that simply buying the Medicaid eligible families private insurance outright is a better plan?

 

[PoliticalChic]

What is Medicaid's Impact on Access to Care, Health Outcomes, and Quality of Care? Setting the Record Straight on the Evidence

Controversy about the Medicaid expansion has been stoked by an assertion that first appeared in a Wall Street Journal editorial a couple of years ago and has since resurfaced periodically, that “Medicaid is worse than no coverage at all.” This claim about Medicaid is sharply at odds with the authoritative findings of the Institute of Medicine (IOM) Committee on Consequences of Uninsurance, detailed in Care Without Coverage: Too Little, Too Late, the second of six reports the IOM issued on the subject in the early 2000’s.7 Based on a comprehensive review of the research examining the impact of health insurance on adults, the IOM charted the causal pathway from coverage to better health outcomes, concluding:

Health insurance coverage is associated with better health outcomes for adults. It is also associated with having a regular source of care and with greater and more appropriate use of health services. These factors, in turn, improve the likelihood of disease screening and early detection, the management of chronic illness, and effective treatment of acute conditions such as traumatic brain injury and heart attacks. The ultimate result is improved health outcomes.

A much better job!

A real attempt to refute.

But, a failure none the less.


"...research in the top medical journals such as Cancer, American Journal of Cardiology, Journal of Heart and Lung Transplantation and Annals of Surgery, show that Medicaid beneficiaries suffer worse outcomes than similar patients with private insurance ... all at an added cost of another $800 billion by CBO estimates to taxpayers after the decade."


This is your source: the Institute of Medicine (IOM) Committee...a bunch of Liberals.


"The IOM was established as both a research program and an honorific society. On July 1, 2015, the membership and honorific functions,..." - See more at: NAM Membership - Institute of Medicine


...the term "honorific" is used in a more specific sense to refer to an honorary academic title.


Compared to "journals such as Cancer, American Journal of Cardiology, Journal of Heart and Lung Transplantation and Annals of Surgery,..."



Congrats on dropping the vulgarity.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The following, a series of talking-point defeats for Liberals....15 of 'em

A person who cuts and pastes talking points cuts and pastes talking points for other cut and pasters to use.

Free thinkers here

"Cut and Paste" has nothing to do with the facts presented....merely the was I choose to present them.
The use of 'Cut and Paste" as a response...by vulgar Liberals, is a diaphanous dodge to avoid facing reality...
....the reality that the facts eviscerate Liberal talking points.


Again...you have neither countered nor confronted anything in the OP.


Based on what you have posted, we can stipulate that you can find no way to disagree with the facts presented....
a. The Obama attempts to flood America with Muslims from the most radicalized areas

b. America long ago deposed the Democrats who enforced racism, and there in no need for big government to shield minorities from....them.

c. ObamaCare fails in so very many ways....including that fact that it causes more health problems for the poor."

 

[PoliticalChic]

So Medicaid is a disgrace?

Then why did you indignantly refuse to to state your support for ending Medicaid the multiple times I asked you that question?

Let me give you another chance:

"Such ‘insurance’ from Obamacare not only fails to provide access to doctors, but research in the top medical journals such as Cancer, American Journal of Cardiology, Journal of Heart and Lung Transplantation and Annals of Surgery, show that Medicaid beneficiaries suffer worse outcomes than similar patients with private insurance ... all at an added cost of another $800 billion by CBO estimates to taxpayers after the decade.

It is not hyperbole to call Medicaid a disgrace at its annual cost of about $450 billion, and expanding it rather than helping poor people buy private insurance is simply inexplicable.”

Obamacare helps poorer people buy private insurance. Are you claiming that simply buying the Medicaid eligible families private insurance outright is a better plan?

"Obamacare helps poorer people buy private insurance. "

Really?

Which of these " helps poorer people buy private insurance."



1. "Obamacare's Latest Casualty: Largest Health Insurer On Colorado Exchange Abruptly Collapses
With the mainstream media, at least the majority that is left of center, flooded with story after story touting Obamacare's success, the news coming this morning from Denver that Colorado's largest nonprofit health insurer and participant in that state's insurance exchangeColorado HealthOPis abruptly shutting down, forcing 80,000 Coloradans to find a new insurer for 2016, was a slap in the face for the Obama administration's crowning achievement.

Wait, wasn't the whole point behind Obamacare to subsidize health insurance for everyone, and especially the poor? Or was the whole point of the "Affordable" Care Act merely to herd as many Americans into the clutches of the few for-profits, after the non-profit cooperatives finally read the fine print and realized they have no chance of being profitable under the new regime?"
Obamacare's Latest Casualty: Largest Health Insurer On Colorado Exchange Abruptly Collapses | Zero Hedge



2. The two largest statehealthinsurance co-operatives created as part of a grand ObamaCare experiment have announced they are closing at the end of this year, joining others that have failed and even more that are insolvent and likely to fail.

The Kentucky Health Cooperative announced on Friday it is going out of business and will not enroll new members next year, leaving 51,000 members to find other coverage. It had the second-largest co-op enrollment in the country, garnering 75% of people who enrolled in coverage through the state’s health exchange.

It joins Health Republic Insurance of New York—the largest health co-op with more than 150,000 members—which announced last month that it was folding. That follows the declaration of insolvency by CoOportunity Health in Iowa and Nebraska and the failures of the Louisiana Health Cooperative and Nevada Health CO-OP. A total of 400,000 citizens are being impacted—so far.

Clearly this ObamaCare experiment costing taxpayers $2.4 billionis failing. The co-ops were founded on the idealistic belief that community members could band together to create health insurance companies that would be member-driven, service-oriented, and would not have to answer to shareholders or turn a profit.

400,000 Citizens To Lose Health Insurance (Again) Because Of Obamacare Co-Op Failures



3. .....the 23 co-ops that were created had significant start-up costs, no experiential data upon which to set premiums, generally had to pay extra to lease physician and hospital networks, and had few people in the companies and none on their boards with insurance experience.

The idealism has quickly faded. After receiving hundreds of millions of dollars in government start-up loans, most co-ops are surviving now on what remains of more than $2 billion in federal “solvency loans” and on the promise of future “shared risk” payments that are likely to produce only a fraction of the revenue co-ops have booked. ObamaCare Co-ops: Cause Célèbre or Costly Conundrum?

4. Since October 1, seven co-ops in Tennessee, Kentucky, Oregon, Colorado, South Carolina, Utah, and Arizona have announced they will not be selling insurance in 2016. Four more in Iowa, Louisiana, Nevada, and New York told consumers earlier this year they were shuttering.

Here we have taxpayer dollars to the point of $2.4 billion, and that’s a real concern.” The Reason Why So Many Obamacare Co-Ops Are Failing

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, by God, let's just go to the Canadian System. Then PC will have nothing at all to complain about. LOL

 

[NYcarbineer]

So Medicaid is a disgrace?

Then why did you indignantly refuse to to state your support for ending Medicaid the multiple times I asked you that question?

Let me give you another chance:

"Such ‘insurance’ from Obamacare not only fails to provide access to doctors, but research in the top medical journals such as Cancer, American Journal of Cardiology, Journal of Heart and Lung Transplantation and Annals of Surgery, show that Medicaid beneficiaries suffer worse outcomes than similar patients with private insurance ... all at an added cost of another $800 billion by CBO estimates to taxpayers after the decade.

It is not hyperbole to call Medicaid a disgrace at its annual cost of about $450 billion, and expanding it rather than helping poor people buy private insurance is simply inexplicable.”

Obamacare helps poorer people buy private insurance. Are you claiming that simply buying the Medicaid eligible families private insurance outright is a better plan?

"Obamacare helps poorer people buy private insurance. "

Really?

Which of these " helps poorer people buy private insurance."



1. "Obamacare's Latest Casualty: Largest Health Insurer On Colorado Exchange Abruptly Collapses
With the mainstream media, at least the majority that is left of center, flooded with story after story touting Obamacare's success, the news coming this morning from Denver that Colorado's largest nonprofit health insurer and participant in that state's insurance exchangeColorado HealthOPis abruptly shutting down, forcing 80,000 Coloradans to find a new insurer for 2016, was a slap in the face for the Obama administration's crowning achievement.

Wait, wasn't the whole point behind Obamacare to subsidize health insurance for everyone, and especially the poor? Or was the whole point of the "Affordable" Care Act merely to herd as many Americans into the clutches of the few for-profits, after the non-profit cooperatives finally read the fine print and realized they have no chance of being profitable under the new regime?"
Obamacare's Latest Casualty: Largest Health Insurer On Colorado Exchange Abruptly Collapses | Zero Hedge



2. The two largest statehealthinsurance co-operatives created as part of a grand ObamaCare experiment have announced they are closing at the end of this year, joining others that have failed and even more that are insolvent and likely to fail.

The Kentucky Health Cooperative announced on Friday it is going out of business and will not enroll new members next year, leaving 51,000 members to find other coverage. It had the second-largest co-op enrollment in the country, garnering 75% of people who enrolled in coverage through the state’s health exchange.

It joins Health Republic Insurance of New York—the largest health co-op with more than 150,000 members—which announced last month that it was folding. That follows the declaration of insolvency by CoOportunity Health in Iowa and Nebraska and the failures of the Louisiana Health Cooperative and Nevada Health CO-OP. A total of 400,000 citizens are being impacted—so far.

Clearly this ObamaCare experiment costing taxpayers $2.4 billionis failing. The co-ops were founded on the idealistic belief that community members could band together to create health insurance companies that would be member-driven, service-oriented, and would not have to answer to shareholders or turn a profit.

400,000 Citizens To Lose Health Insurance (Again) Because Of Obamacare Co-Op Failures



3. .....the 23 co-ops that were created had significant start-up costs, no experiential data upon which to set premiums, generally had to pay extra to lease physician and hospital networks, and had few people in the companies and none on their boards with insurance experience.

The idealism has quickly faded. After receiving hundreds of millions of dollars in government start-up loans, most co-ops are surviving now on what remains of more than $2 billion in federal “solvency loans” and on the promise of future “shared risk” payments that are likely to produce only a fraction of the revenue co-ops have booked. ObamaCare Co-ops: Cause Célèbre or Costly Conundrum?

Since October 1, seven co-ops in Tennessee, Kentucky, Oregon, Colorado, South Carolina, Utah, and Arizona have announced they will not be selling insurance in 2016. Four more in Iowa, Louisiana, Nevada, and New York told consumers earlier this year they were shuttering.

Here we have taxpayer dollars to the point of $2.4 billion, and that’s a real concern.” The Reason Why So Many Obamacare Co-Ops Are Failing

If that propaganda were true,

why would buying Medicaid recipients private plans outright be different?

 

[Old Rocks]

Yessirreeeee...............Bob, a universal single payer system, should be right up PC's alley.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well, by God, let's just go to the Canadian System. Then PC will have nothing at all to complain about. LOL

lol, by her own admission, she doesn't work, which means she doesn't pay for her own insurance, which means that she is effectively in the same situation an unemployed Medicaid recipient is.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is so much fun....coffin nails for Liberal myths.....let's see a few more:

Hardly revealed by the main stream press, almost all of those who had health insurance (prior to ObamaCare, everyone in the nation had health care) prior to ObamaCare, loved it. With it's myriad failures coming to light daily, this about the aim it originally ran on:

4) “... all of the disruption, spending, taxation, and premium hikes in Obamacare has only reduced the percentage of U.S. residents without health insurance by 2.7 percentage points, from 13.9% to 11.1%: a remarkably small reduction, and far lower than what the law was supposed to achieve.” -- Avik Roy

I love statistics.




Liberals love to claim that religious folks believe in something that doesn't exist. Well, the very same can be said of their solutions.

5) “Bernie Sanders thinks you can pay for an 18 trillion dollar expansion of the welfare state — to make it align with a Denmark that doesn’t actually exist — simply by taxing ‘the billionaire class.’ There are 536 billionaires in America. Even if you confiscated everything they had — which, by the way, would surely destroy the American economy by triggering the greatest round of capital flight in human history and amount to government seizure of countless businesses — it wouldn’t come close to covering the tab of Sanders’s proposals.” -- Jonah Goldberg




Liberals are all about legalizing drugs. Another winner of an idea?

6) “In 2010, 38,329 people died from drug overdoses, twice the number a decade earlier. More people died of drug overdoses than from automobile accidents (30,196), murders (13,000) or gun accidents (700).”
-- Ann Coulter
15 Stats That Destroy Liberal Narratives



Set 'em up, Liberals.....happy to knock 'em down!

 

[NYcarbineer]

So Medicaid is a disgrace?

Then why did you indignantly refuse to to state your support for ending Medicaid the multiple times I asked you that question?

Let me give you another chance:

"Such ‘insurance’ from Obamacare not only fails to provide access to doctors, but research in the top medical journals such as Cancer, American Journal of Cardiology, Journal of Heart and Lung Transplantation and Annals of Surgery, show that Medicaid beneficiaries suffer worse outcomes than similar patients with private insurance ... all at an added cost of another $800 billion by CBO estimates to taxpayers after the decade.

It is not hyperbole to call Medicaid a disgrace at its annual cost of about $450 billion, and expanding it rather than helping poor people buy private insurance is simply inexplicable.”

Obamacare helps poorer people buy private insurance. Are you claiming that simply buying the Medicaid eligible families private insurance outright is a better plan?

"Obamacare helps poorer people buy private insurance. "

Really?

Which of these " helps poorer people buy private insurance."



1. "Obamacare's Latest Casualty: Largest Health Insurer On Colorado Exchange Abruptly Collapses
With the mainstream media, at least the majority that is left of center, flooded with story after story touting Obamacare's success, the news coming this morning from Denver that Colorado's largest nonprofit health insurer and participant in that state's insurance exchangeColorado HealthOPis abruptly shutting down, forcing 80,000 Coloradans to find a new insurer for 2016, was a slap in the face for the Obama administration's crowning achievement.

Wait, wasn't the whole point behind Obamacare to subsidize health insurance for everyone, and especially the poor? Or was the whole point of the "Affordable" Care Act merely to herd as many Americans into the clutches of the few for-profits, after the non-profit cooperatives finally read the fine print and realized they have no chance of being profitable under the new regime?"
Obamacare's Latest Casualty: Largest Health Insurer On Colorado Exchange Abruptly Collapses | Zero Hedge



2. The two largest statehealthinsurance co-operatives created as part of a grand ObamaCare experiment have announced they are closing at the end of this year, joining others that have failed and even more that are insolvent and likely to fail.

The Kentucky Health Cooperative announced on Friday it is going out of business and will not enroll new members next year, leaving 51,000 members to find other coverage. It had the second-largest co-op enrollment in the country, garnering 75% of people who enrolled in coverage through the state’s health exchange.

It joins Health Republic Insurance of New York—the largest health co-op with more than 150,000 members—which announced last month that it was folding. That follows the declaration of insolvency by CoOportunity Health in Iowa and Nebraska and the failures of the Louisiana Health Cooperative and Nevada Health CO-OP. A total of 400,000 citizens are being impacted—so far.

Clearly this ObamaCare experiment costing taxpayers $2.4 billionis failing. The co-ops were founded on the idealistic belief that community members could band together to create health insurance companies that would be member-driven, service-oriented, and would not have to answer to shareholders or turn a profit.

400,000 Citizens To Lose Health Insurance (Again) Because Of Obamacare Co-Op Failures



3. .....the 23 co-ops that were created had significant start-up costs, no experiential data upon which to set premiums, generally had to pay extra to lease physician and hospital networks, and had few people in the companies and none on their boards with insurance experience.

The idealism has quickly faded. After receiving hundreds of millions of dollars in government start-up loans, most co-ops are surviving now on what remains of more than $2 billion in federal “solvency loans” and on the promise of future “shared risk” payments that are likely to produce only a fraction of the revenue co-ops have booked. ObamaCare Co-ops: Cause Célèbre or Costly Conundrum?

Since October 1, seven co-ops in Tennessee, Kentucky, Oregon, Colorado, South Carolina, Utah, and Arizona have announced they will not be selling insurance in 2016. Four more in Iowa, Louisiana, Nevada, and New York told consumers earlier this year they were shuttering.

Here we have taxpayer dollars to the point of $2.4 billion, and that’s a real concern.” The Reason Why So Many Obamacare Co-Ops Are Failing

And then there's the true story:

These 2 Jaw-Dropping Statistics May Change Your Tune About Obamacare (UNH)

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yessirreeeee...............Bob, a universal single payer system, should be right up PC's alley.

Hey....a non-post from a sap...er, a Liberal....

Shocker

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well, by God, let's just go to the Canadian System. Then PC will have nothing at all to complain about. LOL

lol, by her own admission, she doesn't work, which means she doesn't pay for her own insurance, which means that she is effectively in the same situation an unemployed Medicaid recipient is.

1. I'm immensely wealthy....why is that your business how and in what way I get my health care taken care of?


2. It seems my post, documenting the system-wide failures of ObamaCare exchanges, destroyed your earlier claim..."Obamacare helps poorer people buy private insurance". ..and you've run from that.


3. Your vapid posts tend to prove the OP:
a. The Obama attempts to flood America with Muslims from the most radicalized areas

b. America long ago deposed the Democrats who enforced racism, and there in no need for big government to shield minorities from....them.

c. ObamaCare fails in so very many ways....including that fact that it causes more health problems for the poor."

 

[NYcarbineer]

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It is not hyperbole to call Medicaid a disgrace at its annual cost of about $450 billion, and expanding it rather than helping poor people buy private insurance is simply inexplicable.”

Helping poor people buy private insurance?

You mean like giving them subsidies, and having market based exchanges where they could go to buy the private insurance?

lolol