Fertility Reshaping America

[geauxtohell]

Take it to another thread rdean. The minorities having babies don't come from the Bible belt. We have a comprehensive sex ed program in our district. And we currently have over 20 pregnant teens. And yes - most of them are minorities.

The broad brush is appropriate here because we are talking about the Census. If the information was not important or relevant, the question need not be asked.

It is not just about government handouts. It's about culture and education and crime and neglected children, etc. It should not be a partisan issue; but apparently it is.

And Ghook - we have had an influx of Hispanics from another district (both PR and Mexican) and they have stated the same thing as your barber. They want a better school district because of all the Mexicans in their old school. Weird.

Except the article says nothing about crime rates, economics, or socioeconomics. You guys are editorializing on those issues.

Here's a novel concept: Ethnic group X lands in America by the boatload. Ethnic group Y, that is now firmly established in America hates and discriminates against ethnic group X. This goes on for years and years and there is much hand wringing and angst (and the occasional act of violence) until ethnic group X becomes fully established in this country. Then ethnic group Z starts landing in America. Now ethnic group X and Y both hate ethnic group Z. Wash, rinse, repeat.

You would think there would be some empathy in a nation of immigrants.

 

[chanel]

No it does not. Crime rates, fatherless children, and education costs come straight from Chanel's head. Some of us use information to draw conclusions. It's called thinking.

 

[geauxtohell]

No it does not. Crime rates, fatherless children, and education costs come straight from Chanel's head. Some of us use information to draw conclusions. It's called thinking.

Or editorializing. What's the real problem here? That this country won't be lilly white in 20 years or the usual and tired "Cadillac welfare queens" canard?

And perhaps most importantly: what is your proposed solution?

 

[Ravi]

Who cares?

Besides William Joyce, I mean.

You don't care because you don't see the negative implications of this. Read about how the Blacks are being forced out of Dallas, because those schools have to cater to the lare influx of Latinos who no speaka any ingles. In many cases in Dallas, they aren't even teaching them English, but are receiving entirely Spanish classes for every class. The Blacks are getting pushed out.

Black leaders leaving Dallas schools along with students | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News

And to you, you are seeing a racial thing. But there is a huge culture change happening. The Latinos are fine when they come here an assimilate in the American way of life. Too many aren't doing that, they come from failed Latino Nations (Besides, Chile or Brazil none can be considered on the up and up) refuse to learn the language, have major animosity towards Whites and Blacks and have socialist/Big Government thinking.

On a personal note my Barber is American if Mexican descendant. She is 2nd generation and still has the accent. She told me she has to move to get into a new school district, because too many Mexicans are coming into the current one. I found it odd, because she is well Mexicans. Her response, "Too many Mexicans students bring down the education all the other students get and bring a gang culture to the school system."

Call me a racist all you want, but the Latinos having babies by the dozens aren't the ones that assimilate into the American culture and embrace being Americans. That is what I have a problem with!

Actually, they are. Embrace people instead of pegging them as lower life forms and you'll be surprised to find that they are human and capable of being proud Americans.

 

[MaggieMae]

Lots of people care. That's why the article was written.

My concern is that the people least able to afford large families are the ones having the most children. Everyone should care about that. Well everyone except those profiting from their meal tickets.

That has been for as long as I can remember. 'Uncontrolled breeding', by those who can least afford to raise a family. The rest of us are stuck, no forced, to take care of their incompetent decisions and their offspring suffer in many cases a horrible existence lacking in proper nutrition, housing, health care, well forget healthcare, Obama has seen fit to force us to take care of millions of others, and I might add, at the expense of the health and lifestyle that most of us worked our asses off for decades to achieve.

And which millions LOST due to loss of good paying jobs and employer backed health insurance.

All said and done, I still see no solutions put forth by anyone that would actually SOLVE the problem of minorities (poor ones, ones having large families, or just the racial issue), nor how to deal with the skyrocketing costs of private health care.

All talk and no action as usual.

 

[MaggieMae]

Ever wonder WHY those 'conservative' icons Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2 NEVER did a thing to combat the unrushing USA trail wreck when a solution would have been relatively painless?

Huh? Gobbledygoop.

 

[chanel]

Of course they are capable. But its difficult when mom is a high school drop out and dad has disappeared. And of course teen pregnancy is not just a minority issue. But poverty breed poverty. Literally.

My solution is to bring back shame. Teen pregnancy is not a "blessed event".

How about if those "abstinence plus" programs give these girls some facts like your kid has a far greater chance of dropping out of school and ending up in jail? How about stats on how many baby dadas stick around? Its dishonest (and abusive) to play this to the exceptions.

 

[MaggieMae]

There are many reasons why. But that was then This is now, And the future.

I naively thought that illegal immigration, and out of wedlock births was not a partisan issue. But then again the Dems I know are practical thinkers. Not so much in Congress or on this board.

No matter how an illegal immigration bill is drawn and passed, there will be folks who hate it. There are those who believe it's a simple operation of rounding them all up, putting them on busses and shipping them (including the families) back over the border. Ironically, that already happens on a much smaller scale of course, but if they are determined to come here, they find a way to return anyway.

There's nothing that can be done about the Constitutional citizenship of anchor babies, so that's not even worth discussing.

Out of wedlock births are common among poor minorities because they are uneducated in prevention and parenting skills. How do you force people to use condoms or birth control pills and/or demand that they limit the number of children? If we lived in a true Communist society, it would be easy, but this is America which too many people seem to forget. Yes, it's sad that there are so many ignorant and downright illiterate people who live in this country, but accepting that they exist is the tradeoff for you and I having privileges in this country we would not have anywhere else.

 

[nraforlife]

.................
Huh? Gobbledygoop.

ONLY to a commie like you,

Ever wonder WHY those 'conservative' icons Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2 NEVER did a thing to combat the unrushing USA train wreck when a solution would have been relatively painless?

 

[chanel]

Maggie - we can accept that they exist but we need not accept the unacceptable. Like runaway dads. Too many excuse makers who accept it as a "cultural issue"

My job is to encourage kids to stay in school. I'll be damned if someone says "Hispanics don't believe in the importance of educating females. That's their culture" Bullshit.

 

[MaggieMae]

I would say its a combo of these things:
(1) Unchecked and liberal protected illegal immigration. The illegals are tossing in American citizens as anchor babies.
So what was your excuse when Republicans left unchecked employers who hired illegals? Which party was it that finally installed E-Verify? Why it was the Democrats. Imagine that. Anchor babies have a constitutionally right to be here.

(2) Legal immigration is coming from mostly Latino countries. Most countries including Mexico take in immigrants who are upper echelons of their country, scientist, engineers or doctors, yet we are welcoming in lower echelon people from 3rd world countries.
Ever hear of the H-1B visa program which allows the importing of thousands of foreigners for top technical and scientific jobs in the United States? I guess not.

(3) White people have less kids because in the Middle Class kids are expensive. I have 3 kids, between diapers, food, clothes, entertainment, preschool, college savings, shelter and activities, I can barely make in on mine and my wife's $100K+ combined salaries annual. Face it children, however very rewarding, are expensive. Look at your friends that always seem to have a lot of money and go on long expensive trips, they are usually single or couples without children.
Take a trip through the middle and southern rural areas, and you'll see plenty of white folk living in worn down trailer parks with their little white kids running all over the place. In fact, more "welfare" money gets poured into Southern states than any other region, and those aren't all black and latino families either.

(4) HOWEVER, American Liberals have created a system that caters to lower class people having babies (where the majority of the Latinos fall into). First, the more children they have, the better chance and more dollars in welfare they can get. Food stamps covers the food expense. They don't pay any taxes. They will get medicaid and free emergency room visits. Then they get section 8 housing, not to mention free day care aka school. American liberals have created a systems that rewards and gives enormous incentive to people who can't afford to have children to have children.
They, they, they...You cannot lump an entire "class" of people as "all" of them. You can't just arbitrarily decide that they are ALL Latinos or blacks, either. I live in the whitest state in the nation (around 2% minority population), and we have HUGE welfare rolls with all those white people getting food stamps, medicaid, Section 8 housing, and they don't pay taxes.

(5) The Sanctuary City Mayors in CA, AZ, NM, TX and Chicago create all the incentive to come to America and have as a litter of babies. Heck the mayor of LA even publicly states CA is part of Mexico and will be it again.

Those states have other enormous problems other than the number of non-whites, bud. One example would be Texas whose prisons are busting at the seams because of drug use and drug dealing. Guess what "color" most of those guys are.

 

[MaggieMae]

Who cares?

Besides William Joyce, I mean.

You don't care because you don't see the negative implications of this. Read about how the Blacks are being forced out of Dallas, because those schools have to cater to the lare influx of Latinos who no speaka any ingles. In many cases in Dallas, they aren't even teaching them English, but are receiving entirely Spanish classes for every class. The Blacks are getting pushed out.

Black leaders leaving Dallas schools along with students | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News

And to you, you are seeing a racial thing. But there is a huge culture change happening. The Latinos are fine when they come here an assimilate in the American way of life. Too many aren't doing that, they come from failed Latino Nations (Besides, Chile or Brazil none can be considered on the up and up) refuse to learn the language, have major animosity towards Whites and Blacks and have socialist/Big Government thinking.

On a personal note my Barber is American if Mexican descendant. She is 2nd generation and still has the accent. She told me she has to move to get into a new school district, because too many Mexicans are coming into the current one. I found it odd, because she is well Mexicans. Her response, "Too many Mexicans students bring down the education all the other students get and bring a gang culture to the school system."

Call me a racist all you want, but the Latinos having babies by the dozens aren't the ones that assimilate into the American culture and embrace being Americans. That is what I have a problem with!

So what's your solution? Again, all talk, no action.

 

[MaggieMae]

Take it to another thread rdean. The minorities having babies don't come from the Bible belt. We have a comprehensive sex ed program in our district. And we currently have over 20 pregnant teens. And yes - most of them are minorities.

The broad brush is appropriate here because we are talking about the Census. If the information was not important or relevant, the question need not be asked.

It is not just about government handouts. It's about culture and education and crime and neglected children, etc. It should not be a partisan issue; but apparently it is.

And Ghook - we have had an influx of Hispanics from another district (both PR and Mexican) and they have stated the same thing as your barber. They want a better school district because of all the Mexicans in their old school. Weird.

Blacks have likewise been complaining for years that the Mexican field workers have pushed them out of jobs they used to do as experienced pickers, passed on from generation to generation.

I agree that it shouldn't be a partisan issue, but surely you know that it is. The first response to yours right out of the gate MADE it partisan. I too believe it's time for real action, screw who might get their feelings hurt in the process. I also agree with Rdean's opinion that education is the key. The problem that has plagued every administration is, where do we begin? With the chicken or the egg?

 

[rdean]

Of course they are capable. But its difficult when mom is a high school drop out and dad has disappeared. And of course teen pregnancy is not just a minority issue. But poverty breed poverty. Literally.

My solution is to bring back shame. Teen pregnancy is not a "blessed event".

How about if those "abstinence plus" programs give these girls some facts like your kid has a far greater chance of dropping out of school and ending up in jail? How about stats on how many baby dadas stick around? Its dishonest (and abusive) to play this to the exceptions.

That's your solution? "Shame"?

And what does "SHAME" lead to? Backroom and illegal abortions? Babies in toilets?

The one who should feel "SHAME" is you. Shame on you.

 

[chanel]

Nope. rdean your bigotry is misdirected. I am very pro-choice.

 

[rdean]

Take it to another thread rdean. The minorities having babies don't come from the Bible belt. We have a comprehensive sex ed program in our district. And we currently have over 20 pregnant teens. And yes - most of them are minorities.

The broad brush is appropriate here because we are talking about the Census. If the information was not important or relevant, the question need not be asked.

It is not just about government handouts. It's about culture and education and crime and neglected children, etc. It should not be a partisan issue; but apparently it is.

And Ghook - we have had an influx of Hispanics from another district (both PR and Mexican) and they have stated the same thing as your barber. They want a better school district because of all the Mexicans in their old school. Weird.

Blacks have likewise been complaining for years that the Mexican field workers have pushed them out of jobs they used to do as experienced pickers, passed on from generation to generation.

I agree that it shouldn't be a partisan issue, but surely you know that it is. The first response to yours right out of the gate MADE it partisan. I too believe it's time for real action, screw who might get their feelings hurt in the process. I also agree with Rdean's opinion that education is the key. The problem that has plagued every administration is, where do we begin? With the chicken or the egg?

Blacks have been complaining for years that they are being "pushed" out of their generational jobs as "field pickers"?

I don't know what to say. You must be a "Confederate White".

 

[MaggieMae]

Of course they are capable. But its difficult when mom is a high school drop out and dad has disappeared. And of course teen pregnancy is not just a minority issue. But poverty breed poverty. Literally.

My solution is to bring back shame. Teen pregnancy is not a "blessed event".

How about if those "abstinence plus" programs give these girls some facts like your kid has a far greater chance of dropping out of school and ending up in jail? How about stats on how many baby dadas stick around? Its dishonest (and abusive) to play this to the exceptions.

I have to give high marks to television channels devoted to young people--VH1, MTV1 and MTV2 which, when not providing music videos, attempt to bring forth serious social problems that young people either are facing, or should be. One of the series is "16 and Pregnant," another is "Real Life," and a new one (that's actually quite hilarious) is "Cut off" which is about a group of totally spoiled rich girls whose parents have finally cut up their credit cards. They think they're on a reality show where they have bragging rights. Although those shows are directed toward under 20's, as someone three times that age, I have learned a LOT about the way kids think these days. There needs to be more of this stuff, on more popular channels.

 

[MaggieMae]

.................
Huh? Gobbledygoop.

ONLY to a commie like you,

Ever wonder WHY those 'conservative' icons Reagan, Bush 1, Bush 2 NEVER did a thing to combat the unrushing USA train wreck when a solution would have been relatively painless?

Okay, then what exactly is it you "think" they should have done, nraforlife. Lemme guess...

Ironically, it was none other than Ronald Reagan whose immigration policy was to grant amnesty to everyone who was here illegally at the time.

Your turn.

 

[MaggieMae]

Maggie - we can accept that they exist but we need not accept the unacceptable. Like runaway dads. Too many excuse makers who accept it as a "cultural issue"

My job is to encourage kids to stay in school. I'll be damned if someone says "Hispanics don't believe in the importance of educating females. That's their culture" Bullshit.

I have never heard either one of those as being an acceptable reason. Seriously.

 

[nraforlife]

Nope. rdean your bigotry is misdirected. I am very pro-choice.

Folk like you with your feminist undepinned worldview are at the root of the mass suicide of western civilisation. You have completely discounted the future beyond your own self-indulgent lifetime. Hope you like assisted suicide as in a few years the new owners of this land aren't gonna want to waste THEIR resources on your 'golden' years nor is the remnant of middle America fighting for its survival likely to have any resources available to maintain aged betrayers.