Federal judge enjoins state from enforcing curfew against Occupy group

[Oddball]

Tenn blocked from enforcing curfew

U.S. District Judge Aleta Trauger issued the order, which state officials did not fight.

"Political expression deserves the highest level of protection and it was unacceptable for the state to suddenly shut down protesters' speech and forcibly oust them from Legislative Plaza that has long been used as a place for peaceful expression," said Hedy Weinberg, executive director at the ACLU of Tennessee.

Can't argue with that.

Well what can one say, imposing a curfew on adults is unconstitutional except under declaration of martial law.

What’s more requiring the protesters to pay for a permit to protest is a de facto violation of their 1st amendment rights, just as poll taxes where once made unconstitutional on the grounds that ones right to vote is not contingent on ones ability to pay for it.

Bullshit.

You have no right to take over and monopolize the public square.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Does it say you need a permit in the Constitution to protest, even though the Constitution VERY SPECIFICALLY SAYS YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE AND HAVE GRIEVANCES ADDRESSED?!

These people feel they have been wronged by their government, they have every single and absolute right to protest peacefully, and whatever may go along with protesting including camping out and yes, even...get this...using the bathroom (imagine that, humans having to use the bathroom, what a fucking riot).

As long as they are not interrupting the capacity of other citizens to exercise their own freedoms it is peaceful and lawful.

Does it say in the Constitution I need a permit to carry a gun???

Does it say in the Constitution I cannot walk around with an AK-47? does it say I cannot own a tank??

If you can protest for 2 months occupying parks then I can carry my fucking pistol around...

Funny how that works...

Oh but you're a progressive so the Bill of Rights only applies to your fucking protest and ideas..

Not to mention OWS isn't protesting "peacefully."

Move to my state and you can carry that gun around all you'd like without a permit.

AND you can protest without a permit. What a State!

I'm from Chicago and progressive liberals have banned the Second Amendment...

Yeah, the Bill of Rights here in Illinois is only applicable to progressive liberals and their ideas.

 

[Photonic]

Does it say in the Constitution I need a permit to carry a gun???

Does it say in the Constitution I cannot walk around with an AK-47? does it say I cannot own a tank??

If you can protest for 2 months occupying parks then I can carry my fucking pistol around...

Funny how that works...

Oh but you're a progressive so the Bill of Rights only applies to your fucking protest and ideas..

Not to mention OWS isn't protesting "peacefully."

That's an idiotic argument and you know it. Of course it doesn't say that crap, but in this case it is very specific. No addendum needed. If there is a capacity in which someone is no longer capable of exercising such a specific right, it is not lawful.

Stop making inapplicable arguments.

Also I would like to take note of you calling me a "progressive."

I love how you try to label me as such, that's just beautiful.

Oh fuck off - its the same thing...

Its only an "idiotic argument" to you because you're fucking delusional and believe the Bill of Rights only applies to your stupid fucking voice...

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

Where the FUCK does it say I need a goddamn permit to carry a weapon???

There was no constitutional amendment or addendum that asserts one needs a permit to carry weaponry.. Some states have STATE LAWS that require permits, and most communities have laws that require a permit to occupy a piece of public land to protest.

As a matter of fact your hommies the Nazi Party (which are down there at OWS supporting your movement) were denied a permit to protest back in 1978 in Skokie Illinois...

Admit it you're just a partisan hack. The only reason you say the shit you say is because you disagree with it.

You are only confirming this more by attempting to label me with some negative connotation of some party you believe I associate with myself.

In reality you are so far from fact it's funny.

 

[Photonic]

Does it say in the Constitution I need a permit to carry a gun???

Does it say in the Constitution I cannot walk around with an AK-47? does it say I cannot own a tank??

If you can protest for 2 months occupying parks then I can carry my fucking pistol around...

Funny how that works...

Oh but you're a progressive so the Bill of Rights only applies to your fucking protest and ideas..

Not to mention OWS isn't protesting "peacefully."

That's an idiotic argument and you know it. Of course it doesn't say that crap, but in this case it is very specific. No addendum needed. If there is a capacity in which someone is no longer capable of exercising such a specific right, it is not lawful.

Stop making inapplicable arguments.

Also I would like to take note of you calling me a "progressive."

I love how you try to label me as such, that's just beautiful.

So let me get this right. According to you the language in the 1st Amendment is so clear it needs no laws or government clarification? But the 2nd Amendment is unclear and clearly needs such restrictions and laws?

Hate to burst your bubble but it has been ACCEPTED from the beginning that the rights granted under the Bill of Rights were not without reasonable restrictions. THAT has INCLUDED the 1st Amendment.

Current CONSTITUTIONAL laws restrict the right to peacefully assemble in a number of ways. And as I recall when ever a Democrat enforces those laws on republican protestors YOU and the left have NEVER complained.

One does NOT have the right to indefinitely occupy ( LIVE) on Government property. Such activity in fact VIOLATES other citizens right to use said property.

Still attaching me to the left, your agenda is showing, Sir.

 

[Inthemiddle]

The right to assemble is not absolute. Nor does it convey the right to LIVE on government property. The right to assemble does not grant the right to impede other citizens movements EXCEPT where a valid permit has been issued with a stated area , time and location specified.

The right of an individual to protest does NOT grant them the right to deny other citizens the RIGHT to use Government property.

One is not protesting while sleeping.

The right to protest the government is held in the highest esteem and is given among the greatest of leeway. Sleeping, in fact, can be a form of protest. The WBC often says things in their protests that would otherwise be considered harassment. But the courts have continued to uphold their behavior as constitutionally protected protest because those things said are addressing matters that are of public interest, even if their particular views and chosen locations are generally considered repugnant by most of the populace.

Considering the nature of the Occupy protests regards people's abilities to provide a living for themselves (to include a place live and sleep, and the conditions thereof) and how the actions of government have an effect on those things, their assembly, to include living in tents and sleeping, is a valid form of protest.

 

[jillian]

Translation: The laws to which everyone else must adhere cannot be enforced on leftists.

so spaketh the i hate government randian.... except of course when he wants government to do his bidding.

You openly support anarchists, thugs, criminals and morons. Keep proving just how morally bankrupt you are.

actually. i don't. but you sure support the "exercise your second amendment rights" idiots. who really are the thugs, criminals and morons.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That's an idiotic argument and you know it. Of course it doesn't say that crap, but in this case it is very specific. No addendum needed. If there is a capacity in which someone is no longer capable of exercising such a specific right, it is not lawful.

Stop making inapplicable arguments.

Also I would like to take note of you calling me a "progressive."

I love how you try to label me as such, that's just beautiful.

So let me get this right. According to you the language in the 1st Amendment is so clear it needs no laws or government clarification? But the 2nd Amendment is unclear and clearly needs such restrictions and laws?

Hate to burst your bubble but it has been ACCEPTED from the beginning that the rights granted under the Bill of Rights were not without reasonable restrictions. THAT has INCLUDED the 1st Amendment.

Current CONSTITUTIONAL laws restrict the right to peacefully assemble in a number of ways. And as I recall when ever a Democrat enforces those laws on republican protestors YOU and the left have NEVER complained.

One does NOT have the right to indefinitely occupy ( LIVE) on Government property. Such activity in fact VIOLATES other citizens right to use said property.

Still attaching me to the left, your agenda is showing, Sir.

Deflecting I see. YOU made the statement that somehow YOUR interpretation of the 1st was right and that it had nothing to do with any other interpretation of any other amendment.

 

[Inthemiddle]

I'm a libertarian to boot

You say this alot, right before you call for people's rights being suppressed. You're nothing but an extremist radical, who seems rather full of hate toward his fellow Americans.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

so spaketh the i hate government randian.... except of course when he wants government to do his bidding.

You openly support anarchists, thugs, criminals and morons. Keep proving just how morally bankrupt you are.

actually. i don't. but you sure support the "exercise your second amendment rights" idiots. who really are the thugs, criminals and morons.

I can cite numerous cases of the OWS crowd breaking the law, committing violent acts and demanding the Government just forgive their debts. How many can you cite of the Tea party doing the same?

 

[The Rabbi]

so spaketh the i hate government randian.... except of course when he wants government to do his bidding.

You openly support anarchists, thugs, criminals and morons. Keep proving just how morally bankrupt you are.

actually. i don't. but you sure support the "exercise your second amendment rights" idiots. who really are the thugs, criminals and morons.

So people exercizing constitutional rights are thugs, criminals and morons? Really, "counselor"?

 

[Oddball]

The right to assemble is not absolute. Nor does it convey the right to LIVE on government property. The right to assemble does not grant the right to impede other citizens movements EXCEPT where a valid permit has been issued with a stated area , time and location specified.

The right of an individual to protest does NOT grant them the right to deny other citizens the RIGHT to use Government property.

One is not protesting while sleeping.

The right to protest the government is held in the highest esteem and is given among the greatest of leeway. Sleeping, in fact, can be a form of protest. The WBC often says things in their protests that would otherwise be considered harassment. But the courts have continued to uphold their behavior as constitutionally protected protest because those things said are addressing matters that are of public interest, even if their particular views and chosen locations are generally considered repugnant by most of the populace.

Considering the nature of the Occupy protests regards people's abilities to provide a living for themselves (to include a place live and sleep, and the conditions thereof) and how the actions of government have an effect on those things, their assembly, to include living in tents and sleeping, is a valid form of protest.

OK...So my opening up a bar and grill with no liquor license, no tax license, no health inspections, refusing to pay property taxes and allowing smoking is an equally valid form of protest, and you should have no right to shut me down and take my property.

Anarchist schmuck.

 

[Mr.Nick]

That's an idiotic argument and you know it. Of course it doesn't say that crap, but in this case it is very specific. No addendum needed. If there is a capacity in which someone is no longer capable of exercising such a specific right, it is not lawful.

Stop making inapplicable arguments.

Also I would like to take note of you calling me a "progressive."

I love how you try to label me as such, that's just beautiful.

Oh fuck off - its the same thing...

Its only an "idiotic argument" to you because you're fucking delusional and believe the Bill of Rights only applies to your stupid fucking voice...

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

Where the FUCK does it say I need a goddamn permit to carry a weapon???

There was no constitutional amendment or addendum that asserts one needs a permit to carry weaponry.. Some states have STATE LAWS that require permits, and most communities have laws that require a permit to occupy a piece of public land to protest.

As a matter of fact your hommies the Nazi Party (which are down there at OWS supporting your movement) were denied a permit to protest back in 1978 in Skokie Illinois...

Admit it you're just a partisan hack. The only reason you say the shit you say is because you disagree with it.

You are only confirming this more by attempting to label me with some negative connotation of some party you believe I associate with myself.

In reality you are so far from fact it's funny.

You're the one saying your boys don't need a permit to protest but at the same time I need a permit to carry my pistol...

Of course I disagree with OWS - you that fucking slow???

Obviously you agree with OWS otherwise you wouldn't be defending the squatters..

I'm a libertarian and absolutely support the First Amendment, however these asshats aren't protesting - they're squatting...

It be one thing if they went home every night then came back to protest but they're LIVING IN FUCKING PARKS...

In what universe can you just build a home in a public park???

In what universe can someone just pitch a tent in a public park? or any public place for that matter??

Not to mention they're shitting, pissing, fucking, doing drugs, drinking, walking around naked in public.....

This is NOT a protest... Its a commune and a freak show..

 

[SFC Ollie]

Oh, so you agree that constitutional rights should be allowed to be violated?

In what universe is a person allowed to squat and call it a protest??

Using your logic I could just occupy your home and call that a protest against you and anyone that removes me would just be "violating my First Amendment right."

Calling their little commune a protest is BULLSHIT.

They don't even have permits to protest... You need a permit to protest - those commie reds don't have one..

Does it say you need a permit in the Constitution to protest, even though the Constitution VERY SPECIFICALLY SAYS YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PEACEABLY ASSEMBLE AND HAVE GRIEVANCES ADDRESSED?!

These people feel they have been wronged by their government, they have every single and absolute right to protest peacefully, and whatever may go along with protesting including camping out and yes, even...get this...using the bathroom (imagine that, humans having to use the bathroom, what a fucking riot).

As long as they are not interrupting the capacity of other citizens to exercise their own freedoms it is peaceful and lawful.

Wait a minute here. "Wronged by their Government?" Really? Is that why they are occupying Wall Street? You really haven't a clue do you? They do not have the right to interfere with the everyday life of other people, and they are doing just that.


But then again, while they are pretending to give a shit, others are taking the jobs they could have gotten................Not that they want to actually earn what they get..........

 

[Mr.Nick]

I'm a libertarian to boot

You say this alot, right before you call for people's rights being suppressed. You're nothing but an extremist radical, who seems rather full of hate toward his fellow Americans.

Sorry, I'm not an anarchist...

As a libertarian I believe in the Tenth Amendment, which grants power to the state.

Sorry, if the state says you cant live in a park YOU CANT LIVE IN THE PARK...

If they want to go home and return to protest - that is fine - but pitching tents and living in a public - NO..

Occupy and Protest are NOT THE SAME...

Assemble does not mean LIVE IN A PARK..... You have the right to peacefully assemble and state your grievances. Where the fuck does it say you have the right to occupy land??? not to mention private property...

 

[Inthemiddle]

OK...So my opening up a bar and grill with no liquor license, no tax license, no health inspections, refusing to pay property taxes and allowing smoking is an equally valid form of protest, and you should have no right to shut me down and take my property.

Simply calling it a protest does not make it one. Especially in your solitude. However, assuming that liquor license requirements were a "hot button" issue in your locality, as well as smoking laws, and health inspections, if you wanted to organize a protest day for several shops to open up for business on a given day and allow indoor smoking without the requisite licenses, etc, then I would consider that a valid form of protest.

 

[The Rabbi]

OK...So my opening up a bar and grill with no liquor license, no tax license, no health inspections, refusing to pay property taxes and allowing smoking is an equally valid form of protest, and you should have no right to shut me down and take my property.

Simply calling it a protest does not make it one. Especially in your solitude. However, assuming that liquor license requirements were a "hot button" issue in your locality, as well as smoking laws, and health inspections, if you wanted to organize a protest day for several shops to open up for business on a given day and allow indoor smoking without the requisite licenses, etc, then I would consider that a valid form of protest.

Isnt that special?

 

[Inthemiddle]

As a libertarian I believe in the Tenth Amendment, which grants power to the state.

That's where you're wrong. It reserves power to the states. It doesn't grant them any power they did not have before.

If they want to go home and return to protest - that is fine - but pitching tents and living in a public - NO.

People have the right to petition their government for the redress of grievances. There is no requirement that such assembly be limited in time or size.

Occupy and Protest are NOT THE SAME...

Only because you want to restrict people's rights to protest.

Assemble does not mean LIVE IN A PARK..... You have the right to peacefully assemble and state your grievances. Where the fuck does it say you have the right to occupy land???

Where does it say that assembly is limited to what you find convenient?

not to mention private property...

So government property is private property now? Wing nut.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Isnt that special?

Aren't you special? Like riding the short bus. He asked me for my opinion, and I gave it to him. You have a problem with that?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

OK...So my opening up a bar and grill with no liquor license, no tax license, no health inspections, refusing to pay property taxes and allowing smoking is an equally valid form of protest, and you should have no right to shut me down and take my property.

Simply calling it a protest does not make it one. Especially in your solitude. However, assuming that liquor license requirements were a "hot button" issue in your locality, as well as smoking laws, and health inspections, if you wanted to organize a protest day for several shops to open up for business on a given day and allow indoor smoking without the requisite licenses, etc, then I would consider that a valid form of protest.

Just a day? You mean he can not camp out with his buddies on Public property drinking booze and smoking to protest?

And your right OWS simply claiming to be a protest against Government does not make them one. They are IN FACT protesting private business. Or can you explain to us when and how Wall Street became part of the Government? How cities with no Wall Street connections are places to protest WALL STREET?

 

[SFC Ollie]

OK...So my opening up a bar and grill with no liquor license, no tax license, no health inspections, refusing to pay property taxes and allowing smoking is an equally valid form of protest, and you should have no right to shut me down and take my property.

Simply calling it a protest does not make it one. Especially in your solitude. However, assuming that liquor license requirements were a "hot button" issue in your locality, as well as smoking laws, and health inspections, if you wanted to organize a protest day for several shops to open up for business on a given day and allow indoor smoking without the requisite licenses, etc, then I would consider that a valid form of protest.

But just for a day?????????????