Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature currently requires accessing the site using the built-in Safari browser.
Trouble IS that prior to TRANSPORTING PEOPLE TO AUSTRALIA.....THEY WERE SENT FOR YEARS TO AMERICA......see how the liq,educates Dumb Ass Americans.......You need to put your BRAIN into GEAR before OPENING THAT MOUTH OF YOURS........Don't YaI live in the Great Country of AustraliaI know
You do??? So are you from our Great Country, The United States where we have constitutionally guaranteed rights?
Ah the former prison colony no wonder they ban guns you're all the descended from criminals
Oh, that's true, isn't it? I had forgotten about that little factoid. Explains a lot. Lol.
Trouble IS that prior to TRANSPORTING PEOPLE TO AUSTRALIA.....THEY WERE SENT FOR YEARS TO AMERICA......see how the liq,educates Dumb Ass Americans.......You need to put your BRAIN into GEAR before OPENING THAT MOUTH OF YOURS........Don't YaI live in the Great Country of AustraliaI know
You do??? So are you from our Great Country, The United States where we have constitutionally guaranteed rights?
Ah the former prison colony no wonder they ban guns you're all the descended from criminals
Oh, that's true, isn't it? I had forgotten about that little factoid. Explains a lot. Lol.
That is probably something you could talk about with your Australian friends. Your horrible school system.
Trouble IS that prior to TRANSPORTING PEOPLE TO AUSTRALIA.....THEY WERE SENT FOR YEARS TO AMERICA......see how the liq,educates Dumb Ass Americans.......You need to put your BRAIN into GEAR before OPENING THAT MOUTH OF YOURS........Don't YaI live in the Great Country of AustraliaYou do??? So are you from our Great Country, The United States where we have constitutionally guaranteed rights?
Ah the former prison colony no wonder they ban guns you're all the descended from criminals
Oh, that's true, isn't it? I had forgotten about that little factoid. Explains a lot. Lol.
Nobody cares about Australia. Lol. NOBODY. We can see that you are playing with less than a full deck. Must be hereditary.
As we say in Australia....Get Fcuked MoronWorld Renown.......Never in close Combat with Americans for fear of Friendly Fire........FACT BIG MOUTHThe US are very happy to have our support when things go Tits UpWell, nobody cares about Australia, I understand, but I'm sure you could find somebody to talk to you.
Your military???Hilarious!
Do you have anything to add to THIS topic? It doesn't seem like it. If not, I would suggest you get lost, and don't come back.
Showing us your lack of self control now, eh? Nice! Lol.
Impulse control is always lacking in those criminal typesAs we say in Australia....Get Fcuked MoronWorld Renown.......Never in close Combat with Americans for fear of Friendly Fire........FACT BIG MOUTHThe US are very happy to have our support when things go Tits Up
Your military???
Do you have anything to add to THIS topic? It doesn't seem like it. If not, I would suggest you get lost, and don't come back.
Oops! This is the clean debate zone!
Trouble IS that prior to TRANSPORTING PEOPLE TO AUSTRALIA.....THEY WERE SENT FOR YEARS TO AMERICA......see how the liq,educates Dumb Ass Americans.......You need to put your BRAIN into GEAR before OPENING THAT MOUTH OF YOURS........Don't YaI live in the Great Country of Australia
Ah the former prison colony no wonder they ban guns you're all the descended from criminals
Oh, that's true, isn't it? I had forgotten about that little factoid. Explains a lot. Lol.
Nobody cares about Australia. Lol. NOBODY. We can see that you are playing with less than a full deck. Must be hereditary.
Funny how we in the US do not obsess about the laws in other countries the way people in other countries obsess about ours
I wonder why that is.
Ah the former prison colony no wonder they ban guns you're all the descended from criminals
Ah the former prison colony no wonder they ban guns you're all the descended from criminals
Yeah right. Britain Sent Loads Of Convicts To America, Not Just Australia
So you need to be armed at all times in order to feel safe. That is sad. You'd think we lived in a 3rd world country.Carrying a gun when going into a situation that could be dangerous is rational. Carrying a gun every moment you are outside your door... that is fear.this is in the CDZ because it gets a little old when some start talking sex organs and guns.....
soooo....
We are constantly told that if you carry a gun you are afraid.
Is this true.
No.
Carrying a gun for self defense is a rational response to the reality that even though I know where I live is ver safe, there are still criminals out there and that you never know when one will target you. These things happen every day, in every state, in every country.
How much fear goes into carrying a gun...for me....there is about as much emotion to carrying a gun as there is carrying my cell phone.
Now....the other side...the one that is constantly accusing my side of being afraid.....I believe that fear is what they feel....especially about guns. The don't like people, but they hate guns in the hands of people.
For example.
There are over 3,700,000 AR-15s in private hands in this country.
Each year maybe, maybe, 2-3 are used in any type of crime or even a mass shooting.
With those numbers, those who I believe fear guns want all AR-15s banned from private hands. To me, that is real fear. The numbers show that the odds of being a victim of a violent attack by an attacker with an AR-15 are so remote...you would actually have more of a chance of running into Big Foot and Elvis having Lunch with Aliens.....
And yet, they call for all AR-15s and other rifles like it to be completely banned.
And yet even if AR-15s are completely banned, there is not one crime that is committed on those rare occasions where an AR-15 is used that cannot be done to the same effect with a pistol, shot gun or other rifle or a combination of those......
Yet we are called scaredy cats for wearing a gun like we wear a cell phone or buckle our seat belts.
To a rational person....who sounds more afraid of guns...who sounds more filled with actual fear...?
And how do you know this. There are thousands of if not 10s of thousands of people who go outside, and get robbed, raped and murdered, never expecting that to happen........and had no idea that that was the day it was going to happen.....
Even in Joe Biden's neighborhood, and Barak Obama's Chicago neighborhood they have had violent murders.......
So you need to be armed at all times in order to feel safe. That is sad. You'd think we lived in a 3rd world country.Carrying a gun when going into a situation that could be dangerous is rational. Carrying a gun every moment you are outside your door... that is fear.this is in the CDZ because it gets a little old when some start talking sex organs and guns.....
soooo....
We are constantly told that if you carry a gun you are afraid.
Is this true.
No.
Carrying a gun for self defense is a rational response to the reality that even though I know where I live is ver safe, there are still criminals out there and that you never know when one will target you. These things happen every day, in every state, in every country.
How much fear goes into carrying a gun...for me....there is about as much emotion to carrying a gun as there is carrying my cell phone.
Now....the other side...the one that is constantly accusing my side of being afraid.....I believe that fear is what they feel....especially about guns. The don't like people, but they hate guns in the hands of people.
For example.
There are over 3,700,000 AR-15s in private hands in this country.
Each year maybe, maybe, 2-3 are used in any type of crime or even a mass shooting.
With those numbers, those who I believe fear guns want all AR-15s banned from private hands. To me, that is real fear. The numbers show that the odds of being a victim of a violent attack by an attacker with an AR-15 are so remote...you would actually have more of a chance of running into Big Foot and Elvis having Lunch with Aliens.....
And yet, they call for all AR-15s and other rifles like it to be completely banned.
And yet even if AR-15s are completely banned, there is not one crime that is committed on those rare occasions where an AR-15 is used that cannot be done to the same effect with a pistol, shot gun or other rifle or a combination of those......
Yet we are called scaredy cats for wearing a gun like we wear a cell phone or buckle our seat belts.
To a rational person....who sounds more afraid of guns...who sounds more filled with actual fear...?
And how do you know this. There are thousands of if not 10s of thousands of people who go outside, and get robbed, raped and murdered, never expecting that to happen........and had no idea that that was the day it was going to happen.....
Even in Joe Biden's neighborhood, and Barak Obama's Chicago neighborhood they have had violent murders.......
These are the people that armed themselves when they go to sleep. Sand bags front of their porch. And body armor when they leave their house.
Carrying a gun when going into a situation that could be dangerous is rational. Carrying a gun every moment you are outside your door... that is fear.this is in the CDZ because it gets a little old when some start talking sex organs and guns.....
soooo....
We are constantly told that if you carry a gun you are afraid.
Is this true.
No.
Carrying a gun for self defense is a rational response to the reality that even though I know where I live is ver safe, there are still criminals out there and that you never know when one will target you. These things happen every day, in every state, in every country.
How much fear goes into carrying a gun...for me....there is about as much emotion to carrying a gun as there is carrying my cell phone.
Now....the other side...the one that is constantly accusing my side of being afraid.....I believe that fear is what they feel....especially about guns. The don't like people, but they hate guns in the hands of people.
For example.
There are over 3,700,000 AR-15s in private hands in this country.
Each year maybe, maybe, 2-3 are used in any type of crime or even a mass shooting.
With those numbers, those who I believe fear guns want all AR-15s banned from private hands. To me, that is real fear. The numbers show that the odds of being a victim of a violent attack by an attacker with an AR-15 are so remote...you would actually have more of a chance of running into Big Foot and Elvis having Lunch with Aliens.....
And yet, they call for all AR-15s and other rifles like it to be completely banned.
And yet even if AR-15s are completely banned, there is not one crime that is committed on those rare occasions where an AR-15 is used that cannot be done to the same effect with a pistol, shot gun or other rifle or a combination of those......
Yet we are called scaredy cats for wearing a gun like we wear a cell phone or buckle our seat belts.
To a rational person....who sounds more afraid of guns...who sounds more filled with actual fear...?
And the woman who was raped in the college parking lot, 50 ft. from the campus police station. She had to leave her gun at home that night because the campus was a gun free zone....except for the rapist....he brought his gun there....
Do you think she was dumb to want to carry her gun on campus that night?
And the rapist.....raped 3 other women after that woman, and murdered the 3rd...........so the gun free zone very likely contributed to several rapes and one murder....
So you need to be armed at all times in order to feel safe. That is sad. You'd think we lived in a 3rd world country.Carrying a gun when going into a situation that could be dangerous is rational. Carrying a gun every moment you are outside your door... that is fear.this is in the CDZ because it gets a little old when some start talking sex organs and guns.....
soooo....
We are constantly told that if you carry a gun you are afraid.
Is this true.
No.
Carrying a gun for self defense is a rational response to the reality that even though I know where I live is ver safe, there are still criminals out there and that you never know when one will target you. These things happen every day, in every state, in every country.
How much fear goes into carrying a gun...for me....there is about as much emotion to carrying a gun as there is carrying my cell phone.
Now....the other side...the one that is constantly accusing my side of being afraid.....I believe that fear is what they feel....especially about guns. The don't like people, but they hate guns in the hands of people.
For example.
There are over 3,700,000 AR-15s in private hands in this country.
Each year maybe, maybe, 2-3 are used in any type of crime or even a mass shooting.
With those numbers, those who I believe fear guns want all AR-15s banned from private hands. To me, that is real fear. The numbers show that the odds of being a victim of a violent attack by an attacker with an AR-15 are so remote...you would actually have more of a chance of running into Big Foot and Elvis having Lunch with Aliens.....
And yet, they call for all AR-15s and other rifles like it to be completely banned.
And yet even if AR-15s are completely banned, there is not one crime that is committed on those rare occasions where an AR-15 is used that cannot be done to the same effect with a pistol, shot gun or other rifle or a combination of those......
Yet we are called scaredy cats for wearing a gun like we wear a cell phone or buckle our seat belts.
To a rational person....who sounds more afraid of guns...who sounds more filled with actual fear...?
And how do you know this. There are thousands of if not 10s of thousands of people who go outside, and get robbed, raped and murdered, never expecting that to happen........and had no idea that that was the day it was going to happen.....
Even in Joe Biden's neighborhood, and Barak Obama's Chicago neighborhood they have had violent murders.......
These are the people that armed themselves when they go to sleep. Sand bags front of their porch. And body armor when they leave their house.
Carrying a gun when going into a situation that could be dangerous is rational. Carrying a gun every moment you are outside your door... that is fear.this is in the CDZ because it gets a little old when some start talking sex organs and guns.....
soooo....
We are constantly told that if you carry a gun you are afraid.
Is this true.
No.
Carrying a gun for self defense is a rational response to the reality that even though I know where I live is ver safe, there are still criminals out there and that you never know when one will target you. These things happen every day, in every state, in every country.
How much fear goes into carrying a gun...for me....there is about as much emotion to carrying a gun as there is carrying my cell phone.
Now....the other side...the one that is constantly accusing my side of being afraid.....I believe that fear is what they feel....especially about guns. The don't like people, but they hate guns in the hands of people.
For example.
There are over 3,700,000 AR-15s in private hands in this country.
Each year maybe, maybe, 2-3 are used in any type of crime or even a mass shooting.
With those numbers, those who I believe fear guns want all AR-15s banned from private hands. To me, that is real fear. The numbers show that the odds of being a victim of a violent attack by an attacker with an AR-15 are so remote...you would actually have more of a chance of running into Big Foot and Elvis having Lunch with Aliens.....
And yet, they call for all AR-15s and other rifles like it to be completely banned.
And yet even if AR-15s are completely banned, there is not one crime that is committed on those rare occasions where an AR-15 is used that cannot be done to the same effect with a pistol, shot gun or other rifle or a combination of those......
Yet we are called scaredy cats for wearing a gun like we wear a cell phone or buckle our seat belts.
To a rational person....who sounds more afraid of guns...who sounds more filled with actual fear...?
And the woman who was raped in the college parking lot, 50 ft. from the campus police station. She had to leave her gun at home that night because the campus was a gun free zone....except for the rapist....he brought his gun there....
Do you think she was dumb to want to carry her gun on campus that night?
And the rapist.....raped 3 other women after that woman, and murdered the 3rd...........so the gun free zone very likely contributed to several rapes and one murder....
I am very familiar with this case. You and I went over this before. You did not mentioned here that she was caught by surprised from behind to fit your agenda....... A rapist or thugs will NEVER make an announcement I'm going to rape you in 15 minutes..... I think you don't know that.....
Even if she carried her gun with her. Where do you think her gun was tucked or carry with her? In her vagina? Walking around with a gun in her hand? Have you seen anyone walking to parking lot with a gun in their hand? For you to make this kind of example to fit your propaganda is pathetic.
I also told you maybe this is the third time that I got rob by 2 thugs in Atlantic city casino parking lots.
If I had my gun with me in my waist. My chances of pulling my gun unlock the safety then fire..... is zero.... none...... no chance........ But 100% they could have killed me.
Ah the former prison colony no wonder they ban guns you're all the descended from criminals
Yeah right. Britain Sent Loads Of Convicts To America, Not Just Australia
Yeah but we're not as inbred as you blokes because unlike you we allowed a huge influx of immigrants into our country early on
Carrying a gun when going into a situation that could be dangerous is rational. Carrying a gun every moment you are outside your door... that is fear.this is in the CDZ because it gets a little old when some start talking sex organs and guns.....
soooo....
We are constantly told that if you carry a gun you are afraid.
Is this true.
No.
Carrying a gun for self defense is a rational response to the reality that even though I know where I live is ver safe, there are still criminals out there and that you never know when one will target you. These things happen every day, in every state, in every country.
How much fear goes into carrying a gun...for me....there is about as much emotion to carrying a gun as there is carrying my cell phone.
Now....the other side...the one that is constantly accusing my side of being afraid.....I believe that fear is what they feel....especially about guns. The don't like people, but they hate guns in the hands of people.
For example.
There are over 3,700,000 AR-15s in private hands in this country.
Each year maybe, maybe, 2-3 are used in any type of crime or even a mass shooting.
With those numbers, those who I believe fear guns want all AR-15s banned from private hands. To me, that is real fear. The numbers show that the odds of being a victim of a violent attack by an attacker with an AR-15 are so remote...you would actually have more of a chance of running into Big Foot and Elvis having Lunch with Aliens.....
And yet, they call for all AR-15s and other rifles like it to be completely banned.
And yet even if AR-15s are completely banned, there is not one crime that is committed on those rare occasions where an AR-15 is used that cannot be done to the same effect with a pistol, shot gun or other rifle or a combination of those......
Yet we are called scaredy cats for wearing a gun like we wear a cell phone or buckle our seat belts.
To a rational person....who sounds more afraid of guns...who sounds more filled with actual fear...?
And the woman who was raped in the college parking lot, 50 ft. from the campus police station. She had to leave her gun at home that night because the campus was a gun free zone....except for the rapist....he brought his gun there....
Do you think she was dumb to want to carry her gun on campus that night?
And the rapist.....raped 3 other women after that woman, and murdered the 3rd...........so the gun free zone very likely contributed to several rapes and one murder....
I am very familiar with this case. You and I went over this before. You did not mentioned here that she was caught by surprised from behind to fit your agenda....... A rapist or thugs will NEVER make an announcement I'm going to rape you in 15 minutes..... I think you don't know that.....
Even if she carried her gun with her. Where do you think her gun was tucked or carry with her? In her vagina? Walking around with a gun in her hand? Have you seen anyone walking to parking lot with a gun in their hand? For you to make this kind of example to fit your propaganda is pathetic.
I also told you maybe this is the third time that I got rob by 2 thugs in Atlantic city casino parking lots.
If I had my gun with me in my waist. My chances of pulling my gun unlock the safety then fire..... is zero.... none...... no chance........ But 100% they could have killed me.
I completely agree with you Emily....Law Enforcement,The Military and some Proper Gun Clubs should have the ability to carry a Gun......but NO ONE else,steve but I can't see it happening in the US,so many folk think it's safer to carry a Gun.........Which is Totally Mental when you think about it,just sayinALL GUNS ARE WRONG IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETYthis is in the CDZ because it gets a little old when some start talking sex organs and guns.....
soooo....
We are constantly told that if you carry a gun you are afraid.
Is this true.
No.
Carrying a gun for self defense is a rational response to the reality that even though I know where I live is ver safe, there are still criminals out there and that you never know when one will target you. These things happen every day, in every state, in every country.
How much fear goes into carrying a gun...for me....there is about as much emotion to carrying a gun as there is carrying my cell phone.
Now....the other side...the one that is constantly accusing my side of being afraid.....I believe that fear is what they feel....especially about guns. The don't like people, but they hate guns in the hands of people.
For example.
There are over 3,700,000 AR-15s in private hands in this country.
Each year maybe, maybe, 2-3 are used in any type of crime or even a mass shooting.
With those numbers, those who I believe fear guns want all AR-15s banned from private hands. To me, that is real fear. The numbers show that the odds of being a victim of a violent attack by an attacker with an AR-15 are so remote...you would actually have more of a chance of running into Big Foot and Elvis having Lunch with Aliens.....
And yet, they call for all AR-15s and other rifles like it to be completely banned.
And yet even if AR-15s are completely banned, there is not one crime that is committed on those rare occasions where an AR-15 is used that cannot be done to the same effect with a pistol, shot gun or other rifle or a combination of those......
Yet we are called scaredy cats for wearing a gun like we wear a cell phone or buckle our seat belts.
To a rational person....who sounds more afraid of guns...who sounds more filled with actual fear...?
Dear theliq
I would agree with you that the purpose and best use of arms
is for defense and deterrence, where ideally they don't have to be used at all.
I have met many police and peace officers who carry guns for dangerous situations that may require that,
but they don't depend on that, and do most of their deterrence and police work
by breaking up confrontations or preventing them completely CIVILLY.
You are right, for the most part the guns are not used but are there so they won't have to be!
That's the way it should be.
However, can you show a me a civilized society
that didn't still have criminally aggressive people who were effectively deterred by police carrying guns?
Because society and people aren't perfect, and there are still criminal people who
don't get help in advance, but are only discovered after they cause threats or problems to people,
then guns are still necessary in case of emergencies.
As we progress, and we can diagnose treat and cure the causes of criminal illness and behavior,
we can do more and more of the correctional work in advance and by civil means.
We won't have to rely so much on the point of confrontation with police,
or wait until after someone has stalked and killed people and is going to prison
BEFORE we get sick people help at the first sign of criminal abuse or dangerous addiction.
Until then, guns are still necessary, but in the right hands
of trained officers, they won't necessarily need to be used.
ALL GUNS ARE WRONG IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETYthis is in the CDZ because it gets a little old when some start talking sex organs and guns.....
soooo....
We are constantly told that if you carry a gun you are afraid.
Is this true.
No.
Carrying a gun for self defense is a rational response to the reality that even though I know where I live is ver safe, there are still criminals out there and that you never know when one will target you. These things happen every day, in every state, in every country.
How much fear goes into carrying a gun...for me....there is about as much emotion to carrying a gun as there is carrying my cell phone.
Now....the other side...the one that is constantly accusing my side of being afraid.....I believe that fear is what they feel....especially about guns. The don't like people, but they hate guns in the hands of people.
For example.
There are over 3,700,000 AR-15s in private hands in this country.
Each year maybe, maybe, 2-3 are used in any type of crime or even a mass shooting.
With those numbers, those who I believe fear guns want all AR-15s banned from private hands. To me, that is real fear. The numbers show that the odds of being a victim of a violent attack by an attacker with an AR-15 are so remote...you would actually have more of a chance of running into Big Foot and Elvis having Lunch with Aliens.....
And yet, they call for all AR-15s and other rifles like it to be completely banned.
And yet even if AR-15s are completely banned, there is not one crime that is committed on those rare occasions where an AR-15 is used that cannot be done to the same effect with a pistol, shot gun or other rifle or a combination of those......
Yet we are called scaredy cats for wearing a gun like we wear a cell phone or buckle our seat belts.
To a rational person....who sounds more afraid of guns...who sounds more filled with actual fear...?
Not really on the other side but I would like to tackle this issue. First of all I'm saddened by these events. The girl at the campus, was she also not allowed to carry mace or pepper spray? I have heard these have adverted attackers in the past. Also somebody who is very paranoid carrying a weapon might discharge at someone who was just about to ask for directions or an individual pulling a stupid prank by trying to scare here. Anyone who approaches a scared woman in the dark could run the risk of accidentally getting shot. This has also happened in the past. Also the rapist might have killed her when he noticed she had a gun.To the other side....can you answer this question...
The real world example.....
The woman who was raped on her college campus, 50 feet from the campus police station...who had to leave her gun at home because the campus was a gun free zone...and raped at gun point because the rapist brought a gun into the gun free zone....
Was she paranoid because she wanted to bring her gun with her to the campus that night?
And Suzanah Gratia Hupp......who left her gun in her truck when she went to dinner at Luby's Cafe...because it was a felony to carry a gun in her purse.....
Was she paranoid to want to carry her gun into the restauarant........even after the guy drove his truck into the restaurant and murdered her parents and a bunch of other people....
Were these women paranoid for wanting to carry a gun on them?
As for Suzanah Gratia Hupp, I do not know for sure if things would have worked out better is she had a gun. Maybe her parents would be alive today if she had it with her or maybe she would have died also. I understand the desire to protect yourself. I'm all for it except in these incidents of "accidents". Too many stories of people taking or stealing their parents/friends guns and causing more death and violence. If I knew for sure that her bringing the gun in would have prevented those deaths then yes I would support her right to carry.
I completely agree with you Emily....Law Enforcement,The Military and some Proper Gun Clubs should have the ability to carry a Gun......but NO ONE else,steve but I can't see it happening in the US,so many folk think it's safer to carry a Gun.........Which is Totally Mental when you think about it,just sayinALL GUNS ARE WRONG IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETYthis is in the CDZ because it gets a little old when some start talking sex organs and guns.....
soooo....
We are constantly told that if you carry a gun you are afraid.
Is this true.
No.
Carrying a gun for self defense is a rational response to the reality that even though I know where I live is ver safe, there are still criminals out there and that you never know when one will target you. These things happen every day, in every state, in every country.
How much fear goes into carrying a gun...for me....there is about as much emotion to carrying a gun as there is carrying my cell phone.
Now....the other side...the one that is constantly accusing my side of being afraid.....I believe that fear is what they feel....especially about guns. The don't like people, but they hate guns in the hands of people.
For example.
There are over 3,700,000 AR-15s in private hands in this country.
Each year maybe, maybe, 2-3 are used in any type of crime or even a mass shooting.
With those numbers, those who I believe fear guns want all AR-15s banned from private hands. To me, that is real fear. The numbers show that the odds of being a victim of a violent attack by an attacker with an AR-15 are so remote...you would actually have more of a chance of running into Big Foot and Elvis having Lunch with Aliens.....
And yet, they call for all AR-15s and other rifles like it to be completely banned.
And yet even if AR-15s are completely banned, there is not one crime that is committed on those rare occasions where an AR-15 is used that cannot be done to the same effect with a pistol, shot gun or other rifle or a combination of those......
Yet we are called scaredy cats for wearing a gun like we wear a cell phone or buckle our seat belts.
To a rational person....who sounds more afraid of guns...who sounds more filled with actual fear...?
Dear theliq
I would agree with you that the purpose and best use of arms
is for defense and deterrence, where ideally they don't have to be used at all.
I have met many police and peace officers who carry guns for dangerous situations that may require that,
but they don't depend on that, and do most of their deterrence and police work
by breaking up confrontations or preventing them completely CIVILLY.
You are right, for the most part the guns are not used but are there so they won't have to be!
That's the way it should be.
However, can you show a me a civilized society
that didn't still have criminally aggressive people who were effectively deterred by police carrying guns?
Because society and people aren't perfect, and there are still criminal people who
don't get help in advance, but are only discovered after they cause threats or problems to people,
then guns are still necessary in case of emergencies.
As we progress, and we can diagnose treat and cure the causes of criminal illness and behavior,
we can do more and more of the correctional work in advance and by civil means.
We won't have to rely so much on the point of confrontation with police,
or wait until after someone has stalked and killed people and is going to prison
BEFORE we get sick people help at the first sign of criminal abuse or dangerous addiction.
Until then, guns are still necessary, but in the right hands
of trained officers, they won't necessarily need to be used.
Hi theliq
What is wrong with training security guards and other citizens
using the same process, including screening, required of police and military?
That's like training more people to do CPR or use a defibrillator,
instead of only the professional EMS, doctors and nurses.
Anyone can take lifeguard training, but there ARE certain steps you do and don't do.
The safety precautions HAVE to be followed, such as not letting a drowning person take you under.
Same with CPR and other first aid / first response procedures that have to be followed,
such as not moving a person with a possible head/spinal injury.
It doesn't make the training any less rigorous just because the person isn't a paid professional.
Why can the training, oath and screening required of officers and militaries
be offered to (or required of) ALL citizens who want this same responsibility for using arms for defense?
No .....A Gun is not the same as training someone to save lives in the sea or pool......the less people who have Guns the better.my opinion only of course..steveI completely agree with you Emily....Law Enforcement,The Military and some Proper Gun Clubs should have the ability to carry a Gun......but NO ONE else,steve but I can't see it happening in the US,so many folk think it's safer to carry a Gun.........Which is Totally Mental when you think about it,just sayinALL GUNS ARE WRONG IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETYthis is in the CDZ because it gets a little old when some start talking sex organs and guns.....
soooo....
We are constantly told that if you carry a gun you are afraid.
Is this true.
No.
Carrying a gun for self defense is a rational response to the reality that even though I know where I live is ver safe, there are still criminals out there and that you never know when one will target you. These things happen every day, in every state, in every country.
How much fear goes into carrying a gun...for me....there is about as much emotion to carrying a gun as there is carrying my cell phone.
Now....the other side...the one that is constantly accusing my side of being afraid.....I believe that fear is what they feel....especially about guns. The don't like people, but they hate guns in the hands of people.
For example.
There are over 3,700,000 AR-15s in private hands in this country.
Each year maybe, maybe, 2-3 are used in any type of crime or even a mass shooting.
With those numbers, those who I believe fear guns want all AR-15s banned from private hands. To me, that is real fear. The numbers show that the odds of being a victim of a violent attack by an attacker with an AR-15 are so remote...you would actually have more of a chance of running into Big Foot and Elvis having Lunch with Aliens.....
And yet, they call for all AR-15s and other rifles like it to be completely banned.
And yet even if AR-15s are completely banned, there is not one crime that is committed on those rare occasions where an AR-15 is used that cannot be done to the same effect with a pistol, shot gun or other rifle or a combination of those......
Yet we are called scaredy cats for wearing a gun like we wear a cell phone or buckle our seat belts.
To a rational person....who sounds more afraid of guns...who sounds more filled with actual fear...?
Dear theliq
I would agree with you that the purpose and best use of arms
is for defense and deterrence, where ideally they don't have to be used at all.
I have met many police and peace officers who carry guns for dangerous situations that may require that,
but they don't depend on that, and do most of their deterrence and police work
by breaking up confrontations or preventing them completely CIVILLY.
You are right, for the most part the guns are not used but are there so they won't have to be!
That's the way it should be.
However, can you show a me a civilized society
that didn't still have criminally aggressive people who were effectively deterred by police carrying guns?
Because society and people aren't perfect, and there are still criminal people who
don't get help in advance, but are only discovered after they cause threats or problems to people,
then guns are still necessary in case of emergencies.
As we progress, and we can diagnose treat and cure the causes of criminal illness and behavior,
we can do more and more of the correctional work in advance and by civil means.
We won't have to rely so much on the point of confrontation with police,
or wait until after someone has stalked and killed people and is going to prison
BEFORE we get sick people help at the first sign of criminal abuse or dangerous addiction.
Until then, guns are still necessary, but in the right hands
of trained officers, they won't necessarily need to be used.
Hi theliq
What is wrong with training security guards and other citizens
using the same process, including screening, required of police and military?
That's like training more people to do CPR or use a defibrillator,
instead of only the professional EMS, doctors and nurses.
Anyone can take lifeguard training, but there ARE certain steps you do and don't do.
The safety precautions HAVE to be followed, such as not letting a drowning person take you under.
Same with CPR and other first aid / first response procedures that have to be followed,
such as not moving a person with a possible head/spinal injury.
It doesn't make the training any less rigorous just because the person isn't a paid professional.
Why can the training, oath and screening required of officers and militaries
be offered to (or required of) ALL citizens who want this same responsibility for using arms for defense?
