FDR's Progressive Doctrine vs The Union of Soviet Socialist Republic's Constitution

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR and Stalin were not "good buddies". They lead nations that had a common enemy. That's not an expression of friendship. And no, the Communist Party was not supportive of the New Deal. They opposed it because they thought it would reduce their political viability. They only stopped their opposition because they felt a united front against fascism was needed.

Strange that FDR referred to Stalin as "Uncle Joe" if they weren't close.

Also regarding the New Deal, apparently I had my facts somewhat wrong. It appears they were against the New Deal at first, but later endorsed it.

But only did so because they saw the Nazis and other fascists as the larger threat.

Only because FDR wanted to be the worlds biggest fascist and Hitler stood in his way

 

[Polk]

I'm not going to read the whole thread, but it is a historical fact that FDR and Stalin were good buddies. It's not surprising that FDR would copy much of the Soviet agenda. The Communist Party here in America was, of course, very supportive of the New Deal.

FDR and Stalin were not "good buddies". They lead nations that had a common enemy. That's not an expression of friendship. And no, the Communist Party was not supportive of the New Deal. They opposed it because they thought it would reduce their political viability. They only stopped their opposition because they felt a united front against fascism was needed.

FDR had real Communist spies advising him to hand over Eastern Europe to Uncle Joe and that's exactly what Stalin's sock puppet did, I don't think he needed the spies telling him to do what was in his Communist heart anyway

WWII ended so badly for the US and British that Patton called it a Strategic failure

He didn't "hand over Eastern Europe", the Soviets had already taken it. And if you really think there would have been public will to launch an invasion of the Soviet Union in 1945, you're hopelessly naive.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Soviet Union would have handed the British and the U.S. their collective butt if war had broken out. One, we had no more training divisions; the Soviets had ninety. Two, we did not have a tested atomic weapon. Three, our supply was extensive; the commies was intact and their troops were in supply. Four, our air and land armies were overwhelmed in comparison with the commies.

 

[Polk]

The Soviet Union would have handed the British and the U.S. their collective butt if war had broken out. One, we had no more training divisions; the Soviets had ninety. Two, we did not have a tested atomic weapon. Three, our supply was extensive; the commies was intact and their troops were in supply. Four, our air and land armies were overwhelmed in comparison with the commies.

Well, according to Frank, you're just no good commie swine for pointing that out.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Frank has always been an opponent of truth, justice, the American way, and common sense.

 

[ihopehefails]

Actually, that last one is laws against abortion.

Really? I've been told that an unborn fetus is not a child so how can this be about protecting the unborn when it refers to a live birthed child and it kind of sounded like the state was going to manage someone else's care considering they were the first society to outlaw smoking.

The second thing "by outlawing child-labor" seemed pretty inline with what progressives of the progressive era fought for. The question people should be asking is why there are similarities?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR and Stalin were not "good buddies". They lead nations that had a common enemy. That's not an expression of friendship. And no, the Communist Party was not supportive of the New Deal. They opposed it because they thought it would reduce their political viability. They only stopped their opposition because they felt a united front against fascism was needed.

FDR had real Communist spies advising him to hand over Eastern Europe to Uncle Joe and that's exactly what Stalin's sock puppet did, I don't think he needed the spies telling him to do what was in his Communist heart anyway

WWII ended so badly for the US and British that Patton called it a Strategic failure

He didn't "hand over Eastern Europe", the Soviets had already taken it. And if you really think there would have been public will to launch an invasion of the Soviet Union in 1945, you're hopelessly naive.

You're clueless about how WWII ended, but that's because you're a Librul and are happy Uncle Joe grabbed all the real estate he did.

FDR agreed to gave away most of Eastern Europe to his fuck buddy, Uncle Joe

The Germans WANTED the USA to take Berlin and more territory and they fought harder on the East to try to make that happen but FDR was Stalin's happy bottom

 

[Polk]

Actually, that last one is laws against abortion.

Really? I've been told that an unborn fetus is not a child so how can this be about protecting the unborn when it refers to a live birthed child and it kind of sounded like the state was going to manage someone else's care considering they were the first society to outlaw smoking.

That's because you don't know anything about the Nazis. They believed, like you do, that life begins at conception. The only difference is they were willing to excuse doctors and patients over it. American conservatives aren't calling for that... yet.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Soviet Union would have handed the British and the U.S. their collective butt if war had broken out. One, we had no more training divisions; the Soviets had ninety. Two, we did not have a tested atomic weapon. Three, our supply was extensive; the commies was intact and their troops were in supply. Four, our air and land armies were overwhelmed in comparison with the commies.

Fucking clueless asshole. There were 75 German divisions who would have joined us in a heartbeat.

Fucking asshole.

Head so far up Uncle Joe's ass you can't see the obvious

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Commies knew one thing: plow straight forward and fuck the losses. The entire German Western force would have been directed East along with US and British firepower. But, since Uncle Joe's butt buddy FDR already agreed to surrender Eastern Europe it wasn't to be.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Germany has just successfully test flew a jet powered fighter at wars end, so with US air cover defending the bases and technology, we would have put the program into full development and cleared the skies of the Soviets. Well, until, of course the Communist spies in the US gave them the technology.

 

[ihopehefails]

Actually, that last one is laws against abortion.

Really? I've been told that an unborn fetus is not a child so how can this be about protecting the unborn when it refers to a live birthed child and it kind of sounded like the state was going to manage someone else's care considering they were the first society to outlaw smoking.

That's because you don't know anything about the Nazis. They believed, like you do, that life begins at conception. The only difference is they were willing to excuse doctors and patients over it. American conservatives aren't calling for that... yet.

Is that all it takes to be considered evil? Believe that life begins at conception??? LOL

Anyways...

You still did not answer why is it that the NAZI platform included ending child labor which was something that progressives also did?

 

[sealybobo]

The Soviet Union would have handed the British and the U.S. their collective butt if war had broken out. One, we had no more training divisions; the Soviets had ninety. Two, we did not have a tested atomic weapon. Three, our supply was extensive; the commies was intact and their troops were in supply. Four, our air and land armies were overwhelmed in comparison with the commies.

Europe would have been screwed if Russia joined the Nazi's. Thank God Hitler and the Ruskies hated each other.

Thank God China wasn't a super power back then and they didn't decide to help Japan and Germany.

 

[Bfgrn]

FDR had real Communist spies advising him to hand over Eastern Europe to Uncle Joe and that's exactly what Stalin's sock puppet did, I don't think he needed the spies telling him to do what was in his Communist heart anyway

WWII ended so badly for the US and British that Patton called it a Strategic failure

He didn't "hand over Eastern Europe", the Soviets had already taken it. And if you really think there would have been public will to launch an invasion of the Soviet Union in 1945, you're hopelessly naive.

You're clueless about how WWII ended, but that's because you're a Librul and are happy Uncle Joe grabbed all the real estate he did.

FDR agreed to gave away most of Eastern Europe to his fuck buddy, Uncle Joe

The Germans WANTED the USA to take Berlin and more territory and they fought harder on the East to try to make that happen but FDR was Stalin's happy bottom

He Frank...when the war ended FDR was DEAD tou pea brain...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Soviet Union would have handed the British and the U.S. their collective butt if war had broken out. One, we had no more training divisions; the Soviets had ninety. Two, we did not have a tested atomic weapon. Three, our supply was extensive; the commies was intact and their troops were in supply. Four, our air and land armies were overwhelmed in comparison with the commies.

Europe would have been screwed if Russia joined the Nazi's. Thank God Hitler and the Ruskies hated each other.

Thank God China wasn't a super power back then and they didn't decide to help Japan and Germany.

So Eastern Europe had a good time under Uncle Joe? I wonder how much time FDR spent under Uncle Joe?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

He didn't "hand over Eastern Europe", the Soviets had already taken it. And if you really think there would have been public will to launch an invasion of the Soviet Union in 1945, you're hopelessly naive.

You're clueless about how WWII ended, but that's because you're a Librul and are happy Uncle Joe grabbed all the real estate he did.

FDR agreed to gave away most of Eastern Europe to his fuck buddy, Uncle Joe

The Germans WANTED the USA to take Berlin and more territory and they fought harder on the East to try to make that happen but FDR was Stalin's happy bottom

He Frank...when the war ended FDR was DEAD tou pea brain...

But he already signed away Eastern Europe to his fuck buddy Uncle Joe, PeaBrain

Get a fucking clue before you embarrass yourself

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

You stealin' my thoughts, you gimme back my thoughts or I call the Thoughts Police!

What is that groupthink or something? Lemmings

Now that's hilarious, seeing as this whole idea came straight from Glenn Beck's show last night...

BTW you are the one who brought up communism doctor, not me. Socialist republic (such as the USSR was or what FDR wanted) VS Constitutional Republic (the government that has made our country great)

Hate to break it to you, but the USSR was a constitutional republic as well. As in, they had a constitution (hell, you even quoted it in your OP).

United Soviet Socialist Republic. Its in the name dippy.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

You stealin' my thoughts, you gimme back my thoughts or I call the Thoughts Police!

What is that groupthink or something? Lemmings



BTW you are the one who brought up communism doctor, not me. Socialist republic (such as the USSR was or what FDR wanted) VS Constitutional Republic (the government that has made our country great)

Come on PP - you're blathering. The US took from 1781 to 1961 to send a human into space. The Soviet Union took from 1922 to 1961 to do it.

Standing by for sputtering outrage from the usuals

IF you like socialism or communism so much why don't you just leave the USA and live in one of those socialist utopia countries in europe, i mean its so much better it would be worth moving and everything right?

Go ahead and leave us here with our constitutional republic and enjoy the rich socialist government provided lifestyles.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

The point is this, plymco: We the People elect the government to do what We the People want.

And We the People have made it very clear that We do not want the wingnut right of the GOP reactionary right telling us We the People what to do.

Go define "socialism" and "marxism" and "progressivism" objectively so that this discussion can continue on a logical basis, please.

Indeed I think its pretty clear we dont want the fringe right in charge, we booted them out and we dont want the fringe left's policies either as evidenced by the huge rally cry against socialized medicine and other obama socialist style programs.

I'm not going to go google the defenitions for you and post them up, its pretty easy to type them in and read about it.

Same old red herring anti-anti-socialist arguments

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Germans fought to the death to make sure the Western Allies took Berlin ahead of the Soviets but FDR already agreed to let Uncle Joe enter Berlin first. Prague could also have been under our control, but again, FDR was just doing what he was told.

Patton said the war was a strategic failure for us because it left those capitals along with Vienna "in the hands of the descendants of Genghis Khan"

Patton was light years ahead of his time.