geauxtohell
Choose your weapon.
) Okay, according to you, the ATF was using FAF to try to stop illegal gun trafficking by identifying straw buyers and who they were selling the weapons to. Yet you admit that the ATF has no jurisdiction to investigate and prosecute Mexican citizens. Obviously, no one inside Mexico was ever going to get arrested as part of FAF. Please explain at last how allowing guns to disappear into Mexico, knowing full well they were destined for the drug cartels and would be used to commit crimes, was supposed to help the ATF stop illegal gun trafficking. Be specific because so far your explanation makes absolutely no sense.
To try and identify the people on this side of the border that were procuring and then selling weapons to the cartels.
The people that could be prosecuted. Perhaps the ATF felt like there were some big fish in the illegal weapons industry on this side of the border that they could net.
It sounds like they didn't understand how the process works and that little fish were basically doing all the buying and running.
I highly doubt they intended for the weapons to get over to Mexico, but being a poorly planned operation, they quickly lost control of the situation.
I always find that it's better to use proper grammar if you are going to insult people's intellectual ability.
If you are implying the arrests and charges against the straw buyers and the one middle man who is still behind bars, which occurred a month after a border agent was killed, was a white wash, I think that is absurd. Should he have waited three months? What amount of time would have been appropriate for you to think this wasn't an attempt at deflecting away from the border agent's death?
3) You say "Show me what law has been broken." Are you serious dude? Surely you understand that transporting weapons into Mexico is highly illegal, just like transporting drugs into America is highly illegal. So, if I understand you correctly, a Mexican law enforcement official who facilitates drug trafficking into the United States is corrupt, but members of the DOJ who facilitate gun running into Mexico aren't? If that were the case there would be no need for a cover up.
Sting operations are legal when conducted by law enforcement officials to facilitate law enforcement efforts.
Sting Operation Law & Legal Definition
Obviously, if a cop, Mexican or otherwise is committing illegal acts to enrich themselves that is a completely different situation. That wasn't the case here.
I don't know how you can doubt that the DOJ intended these guns to end up in Mexico, when the ATF agents testified before the House Oversight Committee that their supervisors were ordering agents on the ground to let that happen. The ATF agents also said that their supervisors were elated whenever FAF guns turned up at Mexican crime scenes.
In fact, you have no reasonable law enforcement explanation for why the ATF was allowing weapons to flow into the hands of the drug cartels in Mexico. Your only defense is to keep portraying it as a bungled operation.
Several times you've dismissed as implausible the idea Obama could be funnelling guns to Mexico as part of some assault on the second amendment. In a previous post I proffered a reasonable scenario, but you never responded. Again ,the endgame for Holder and Obama would by something like the following hypothetical press conference:
My fellow Americans, today, in conjunction with my good colleagues in the house and senate, I am proposing legislation to fundamentally overhaul our nations gun regulation laws. Over the past year we have seen an alarming upsurge in violent crime across the border by ruthless drug cartels who threaten to undermine the security of Mexico. Unfortunately, the recent crime wave has its origins here in this country. Thousands of weapons recovered at Mexican crime scenes have been discovered to have been illegally purchased in the United States and trafficked across the border. This illegal flow of guns is straining our relations with the Mexican government, and is unnecessarily leading to the deaths of innocent civilians. The problem has reached crisis proportions, and requires decisive action.
Accordingly, I am calling upon congress to swiftly pass legislation that will require all gun owners to register their weapons with the BATF and to notify the agency when they have a change of address. Its the only way we can keep track of these weapons and insure they are not falling into the wrong hands. Additionally, I am proposing restrictions on the number of firearms a household may be permitted to own to a limit of 2 handguns and 2 rifles. The recent violence we have seen bears witness to the need for greater exercise of federal control over gun ownership as a way of avoiding pointless and preventable deaths.
Of course, we now know the 'crisis' has been totally manufactured by the administration by flooding Mexico with weapons. The only reasonable explanation appears to be at some point trying to justify implementing tighter gun control.
Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico - CBS News
Frankly, that just seems paranoid. So let me get this straight, the administration forced the ATF to dump 2000 weapons into Mexico so they could drum up support for legislation that would most likely be deemed unconstitutional anyways? I mean, what did they intend to do with all the ATF agents who knew about it? None of it adds up, and even as conjecture, it's a reach that the government would go to such extreme and goofy lengths to try and grab your guns (or hassle you) or whatever.
Even if it were the case, where was the push from the administration to try and accomplish what you believe their goals are?
It's certainly not going to happen now.
So, yeah, I am left to think this was a massively bungled operation. I don't need to see a conspiracy when ineptitude is a better explanation.