CDZ FASCINATING!! NO historical evidence Jesus even existed!! (link)

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    No, he is one of those who think Christians stole something from them.
     
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    The truth is there's more evidence that Aliens exist and of big foot then jesus.
     
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    are you saying only brainwashed creationists vote republican?
     
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    A friendly reminder: this is the CDZ but knock yourself out showing that your IQ is so low that you don't know what CDZ is. Thanks for the demo that you are an imbecile.
     
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    Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia

    The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44.[1]

    The context of the passage is the six-day Great Fire of Rome that burned much of the city in AD 64 during the reign of Roman Emperor Nero.[2] The passage is one of the earliest non-Christian references to the origins of Christianity, the execution of Christ described in the canonical gospels, and the presence and persecution of Christians in 1st-century Rome.[3][4]

    Scholars generally consider Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[5][6][7] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[8]
     
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    Actually Eusebius being the grest liar forger is proof that Josephus accts of Jesus is forged aka placed in out of context.
    Josephus being a Jew would not call him Christ and ask yourself this logical question, why would every Jewish figure have their Hebrew name entact except Jesus.
    The earliest copiest of Josephus have no mention of Jesus, it's not untill the time of Eusebius and Constantine does the name and out of context magically appear.

    In fact on doing some research I stumbled upon the fact that Josephus was related distantly to Salome wife of King Jannaeus (100bc) as she married into the Maccabee lineage as his great relative did. One of the many Christ figures making up the Jesus image was Yeshu son of the harlot Mary of 100bc. Yeshu is supposed to be related to Salome who was also a follower therefore
    YESHU was related to Josephus and yet Josephus makes no mention of Yeshu whats so ever. He mentions the other 2 christ figures Yehuda of Galilee and Theudas by the Jordan as does the Book of acts, but never does he speak of his relative the son of mary christ figure. And that figure alone is not Jesus, 0nly the "harlot" church favors the half roman sorcerer Yeshu and made the harlot the queen mother (Isis) of their baal worship church. Called the church of Satan in the NT and by John of Patmos.
     
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    There is no historical evidence for many famous people, from Attila the Hun to Alexander the Great. This is why we have history books, they didn't have cameras and video back then, just the written word. The bible is a historical reference, confirmed by multiple eyewitnesses, Jesus acknowledged by multiple religious texts and even Roman government officials and historians.

    You can have your opinion, but some balance might be beneficial here. Unless you are expecting DNA evidence for every important person in history to be available in order for something to be confirmed.
     
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    The Jesus story uses 3 different era christ figures accts and can be proven not historically accurate or possible by things like: Character claimed in the time of
    King Herod & Lysania yet Herod died in 4bc and Lysanias 35bc census was in 7bc so they moved his date back to 6bc to fit Herod hoping you'd miss the Lysanias dating(by not teaching history) and not know when the census was. The widows mite mentioned in the NT is a Jannaeus Alexander (100bc)
    coin where the half roman christ of 100bc was stoned & hanged on passover, which is what the NT says accting both a hanging and another later 2 were the ones Crucified.
    Salome the friend follower is Jannaeus wifexthus dated on 100bc not AD Pilate where Theudas by the Jordan whocs apostles were martyred died in 45ad.
    So no singular historical figure record but many compiled figures used to CREATE THE IMAGE OF THE SON OF PERDITION
    -Ezekiel 28

    But even the church admits the image borrows other cultures pagan mythologies.
    The image is also borrowing Baal, Mithra, Krishna (called Christos), Esus the tri god, Dagon the fishman god father of baal, Zeus, Osirus, Horus, etc.
    Jesus has everything you expect a compiled fictitious figure to have.
    A new name, a new birthdate, had 2 jobs carpenter and fisherman, 2 blames =Yeshu was some of his own elect due to forb8dden maggis scaming but Yehuda and Theudas was Rome due to revolt, 3 home towns Nazareth, Galilee, and Capernaum , era does not add up to characters in the story, 2 ages he lasted to 33 and closer to 50 says John, 2 methods of persecution hanged & crucified, 2 descriptions of appearances clean shaved and bearded mean look, etc...all proof of a compiled figure, given Baal's bithday and death scene, but also the other figures stoning and hanging scene, given the mithraic symbol sickly man on the cross, and baal sun circle cross...etc etc..
    Christianity is that 0ne world (compilation) religion that they claim Rome would use the false prophet and deceive the world with.
    Rome got itcs foot into every kingdom untouched through the guise of Religion masking the political tithes to this god they are new authority of, masking the taxes it collects.
     
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    Not at all. I'm just saying to be FAIR and objective and look at all the evidence. There is a difference between theology and ACTUAL history. There is ZERO scientific evidence of a god or afterlife & it's CLEAR upon historical analysis that MAN created these stories of god due to FEAR of death and the unknown. Remember when the bible was written many people only saw half their children even make it to adulthood! It was a VERY hard, cruel, & SHORT life hence god and religion were created by ancient men.

    It's true I'm not religious but I have been to church with friend before and I'll go again. It's a place where people meet, talk, and have refreshments after the service. It's a social club! I'll put it this way. I'd rather have a Christian nation WITH freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion than have the increasing influnce of ISLAM!! I've been to Asia and seen the HORROR of Islam up close. Either Sharia law or a version of it. Like how a Christian female student in Indonesia was WHIPPED for simply standing too close to a male student! Just STANDING next to him!! And Indonesia is supposed to be a MODERATE Muslim nation!

    Islam is nothing but a MENTAL ILLNESS and I'll do whatever it takes to prevent their INSANE influence to come here in large numbers and do the damage they're doing in Europe! Sure, small numbers are ok but you can't keep letting it grow and grow and grow or they'll eventually demand their own Sharia zones and partial self rule like they're already doing in Europe! Certain restaurant CHAINS in Europe now serve Halal meat just to satisfy sick Muslims!! Look up "Halal meat EVIL" and you'll see how it's basically TORTURE as the animals suffer HORRIBLY all because of a middle eastern DELUSION!!

    We actually have humane slaughter laws in America which were lobbied for by the Humane society. The word HUMANE does NOT exist in Islam!! Sorry for the digression and length! :bye1: :up:
     
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    I have no problem with any religion as long as it is peaceful and does not harm others. Religion is very important to lead people to the understanding of our existence. Of course, it is easy to misunderstand what I just said. Some will understand it but most won't.
     
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