CDZ Fake News/Media Syndrome

[Syriusly]

I am putting this in the CDZ as I would like a serious, civil discussion re the serious business of media coverage that is:

1. Biased to the point of dishonesty
2. Erroneous to the point of incompetence
3. Fake news in that it is information created or repeated that is patently false.

Based on posts and people recruited to be talking heads on television, it seems obvious some think this syndrome doesn't exist at all or it is purely an invention of Fox News. Others are diligently pointing out that it does exist and is mean, cruel, hateful, and detrimental to us as a society.

So what do you think? This is the thread to express your opinions and impressions and also to post examples of fake/erroneous/misrepresented news that you run across and/or examples of news labeled 'fake' that turned out to be true.

The poll is set so that people can change their vote if they change their mind during the discussion.

While I think that even the term "Fake News' is mostly a propaganda term used primarily by the right to discredit legitimate media so that when media reports things like Watergate that Americans won't be able to distinguish real news from Fake News- there is indeed Fake news being promoted by the Media.

One of the prime examples was Fox New's story alleging Seth Rich who was murdered- was the one who leaked the emails.

Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale
Fox News' story, which took flight online and ran in segments across major shows, breathed fresh life into the rumors. Fox reported that the leaks came from inside the party and not from hackers linked to Russia — despite the conclusions of the nation's most senior intelligence officials. The network suggested that Democrats might have been connected to Rich's death and that a cover-up had thwarted the official investigation.


The network cited an unnamed FBI official. And the report relied heavily on Wheeler, a former police detective, hired months earlier on behalf of the Riches by Butowsky.

Fox's report went sideways shortly after it was posted online and aired on Fox & Friends. It was denounced by the Rich family, D.C. police, Democratic Party officials and even, privately, by some journalists within the network. Within hours, Wheeler told other news outlets that Fox News had put words in his mouth.


Despite those concerns, Wheeler appeared on the shows of Fox Business host Lou Dobbs and Fox News star Sean Hannity, who devoted significant time to the story that night and in subsequent days. In speaking with Wheeler, Hannity said: "If this is true and Seth Rich gave WikiLeaks the DNC e-mails ... this blows the whole Russia collusion narrative completely out of the water."

A week later, on May 23, Fox retracted the story, saying the reporting process failed to live up to its standards. Hannity said he would take a break from talking about Rich's death out of respect for the family.

Perhaps it would be more enlightening if you posted some excerpts from what Fox News actually reported so that the readers here could responsibly judge whether they were engaging in 'fake news'? But if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that. We'll see if WAPO demonstrates as much integrity in the CDC story most recently mentioned should that in fact turn out to be a misrepresentation. Which again I am pretty sure it was based on the pure implausibility of it if for no other reason.

'based on the pure implausibility of it'? Have you been watching what has been happening in the various departments in the last year? This would seem incredibly implausible for any administration other than this one.

Washington Post has retracted many stories it reported in error.

Now you say that you don't have a problem when Fox retracts a story that they got wrong? Really?
Do you use that same standard with CNN?

Your second post you cited this link as an example
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-times-cnn-botched-the-news-in-2017/- as examples of media "Fake news"

The botched story had four bylines, including those of three veteran journalists: anchor Jake Tapper, chief political analyst Gloria Borger and executive editor Eric Lichtblau, who had recently joined CNN from The New York Times. CNN was forced to rewrite the piece with a correction noting the error.

Note how CNN issued a correction- and admitted the error
And again- another example you claimed was fake news- another example of CNN acknowledging their error

Later that month, CNN.com published, deleted, and then retracted and apologized for an article that claimed Trump adviser Anthony Scaramucci was the subject of a Senate investigation for his ties to Russian bankers. After an intense public backlash, three key members of CNN’s investigative team resigned over their role in the retracted story.

And another one in your link that CNN retracted after the fact
CNN botched another “bombshell” on Friday when it reported that Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign had received advanced access to stolen emails published by WikiLeaks. The network hyped the story as a bombshell for most of the day before TheDC’s Chuck Ross debunked it, revealing several serious errors with the story.

So why is it okay for Fox to print "Fake news" as long as it retracts it later- but not okay when CNN does the same thing?

 

[Foxfyre]

I am putting this in the CDZ as I would like a serious, civil discussion re the serious business of media coverage that is:

1. Biased to the point of dishonesty
2. Erroneous to the point of incompetence
3. Fake news in that it is information created or repeated that is patently false.

Based on posts and people recruited to be talking heads on television, it seems obvious some think this syndrome doesn't exist at all or it is purely an invention of Fox News. Others are diligently pointing out that it does exist and is mean, cruel, hateful, and detrimental to us as a society.

So what do you think? This is the thread to express your opinions and impressions and also to post examples of fake/erroneous/misrepresented news that you run across and/or examples of news labeled 'fake' that turned out to be true.

The poll is set so that people can change their vote if they change their mind during the discussion.

While I think that even the term "Fake News' is mostly a propaganda term used primarily by the right to discredit legitimate media so that when media reports things like Watergate that Americans won't be able to distinguish real news from Fake News- there is indeed Fake news being promoted by the Media.

One of the prime examples was Fox New's story alleging Seth Rich who was murdered- was the one who leaked the emails.

Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale
Fox News' story, which took flight online and ran in segments across major shows, breathed fresh life into the rumors. Fox reported that the leaks came from inside the party and not from hackers linked to Russia — despite the conclusions of the nation's most senior intelligence officials. The network suggested that Democrats might have been connected to Rich's death and that a cover-up had thwarted the official investigation.


The network cited an unnamed FBI official. And the report relied heavily on Wheeler, a former police detective, hired months earlier on behalf of the Riches by Butowsky.

Fox's report went sideways shortly after it was posted online and aired on Fox & Friends. It was denounced by the Rich family, D.C. police, Democratic Party officials and even, privately, by some journalists within the network. Within hours, Wheeler told other news outlets that Fox News had put words in his mouth.


Despite those concerns, Wheeler appeared on the shows of Fox Business host Lou Dobbs and Fox News star Sean Hannity, who devoted significant time to the story that night and in subsequent days. In speaking with Wheeler, Hannity said: "If this is true and Seth Rich gave WikiLeaks the DNC e-mails ... this blows the whole Russia collusion narrative completely out of the water."

A week later, on May 23, Fox retracted the story, saying the reporting process failed to live up to its standards. Hannity said he would take a break from talking about Rich's death out of respect for the family.

Perhaps it would be more enlightening if you posted some excerpts from what Fox News actually reported so that the readers here could responsibly judge whether they were engaging in 'fake news'? But if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that. We'll see if WAPO demonstrates as much integrity in the CDC story most recently mentioned should that in fact turn out to be a misrepresentation. Which again I am pretty sure it was based on the pure implausibility of it if for no other reason.

'based on the pure implausibility of it'? Have you been watching what has been happening in the various departments in the last year? This would seem incredibly implausible for any administration other than this one.

Washington Post has retracted many stories it reported in error.

Now you say that you don't have a problem when Fox retracts a story that they got wrong? Really?
Do you use that same standard with CNN?

Your second post you cited this link as an example
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-times-cnn-botched-the-news-in-2017/- as examples of media "Fake news"

The botched story had four bylines, including those of three veteran journalists: anchor Jake Tapper, chief political analyst Gloria Borger and executive editor Eric Lichtblau, who had recently joined CNN from The New York Times. CNN was forced to rewrite the piece with a correction noting the error.

Note how CNN issued a correction- and admitted the error
And again- another example you claimed was fake news- another example of CNN acknowledging their error

Later that month, CNN.com published, deleted, and then retracted and apologized for an article that claimed Trump adviser Anthony Scaramucci was the subject of a Senate investigation for his ties to Russian bankers. After an intense public backlash, three key members of CNN’s investigative team resigned over their role in the retracted story.

And another one in your link that CNN retracted after the fact
CNN botched another “bombshell” on Friday when it reported that Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign had received advanced access to stolen emails published by WikiLeaks. The network hyped the story as a bombshell for most of the day before TheDC’s Chuck Ross debunked it, revealing several serious errors with the story.

So why is it okay for Fox to print "Fake news" as long as it retracts it later- but not okay when CNN does the same thing?

If Fox News gets it wrong and admits it, that's honest.

If CNN gets it wrong and admits it, that's honest.

When any news organization deliberately smears somebody with fake news, however, or deliberately misrepresents something that affects people's livelihoods or gives the public a totally erroneous impression of something that affects the public perception, no amount of retraction will ever set that right.

Provide links for your arguments that Fox is as bad as CNN please.

 

[Syriusly]

I am putting this in the CDZ as I would like a serious, civil discussion re the serious business of media coverage that is:

1. Biased to the point of dishonesty
2. Erroneous to the point of incompetence
3. Fake news in that it is information created or repeated that is patently false.

Based on posts and people recruited to be talking heads on television, it seems obvious some think this syndrome doesn't exist at all or it is purely an invention of Fox News. Others are diligently pointing out that it does exist and is mean, cruel, hateful, and detrimental to us as a society.

So what do you think? This is the thread to express your opinions and impressions and also to post examples of fake/erroneous/misrepresented news that you run across and/or examples of news labeled 'fake' that turned out to be true.

The poll is set so that people can change their vote if they change their mind during the discussion.

While I think that even the term "Fake News' is mostly a propaganda term used primarily by the right to discredit legitimate media so that when media reports things like Watergate that Americans won't be able to distinguish real news from Fake News- there is indeed Fake news being promoted by the Media.

One of the prime examples was Fox New's story alleging Seth Rich who was murdered- was the one who leaked the emails.

Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale
Fox News' story, which took flight online and ran in segments across major shows, breathed fresh life into the rumors. Fox reported that the leaks came from inside the party and not from hackers linked to Russia — despite the conclusions of the nation's most senior intelligence officials. The network suggested that Democrats might have been connected to Rich's death and that a cover-up had thwarted the official investigation.


The network cited an unnamed FBI official. And the report relied heavily on Wheeler, a former police detective, hired months earlier on behalf of the Riches by Butowsky.

Fox's report went sideways shortly after it was posted online and aired on Fox & Friends. It was denounced by the Rich family, D.C. police, Democratic Party officials and even, privately, by some journalists within the network. Within hours, Wheeler told other news outlets that Fox News had put words in his mouth.


Despite those concerns, Wheeler appeared on the shows of Fox Business host Lou Dobbs and Fox News star Sean Hannity, who devoted significant time to the story that night and in subsequent days. In speaking with Wheeler, Hannity said: "If this is true and Seth Rich gave WikiLeaks the DNC e-mails ... this blows the whole Russia collusion narrative completely out of the water."

A week later, on May 23, Fox retracted the story, saying the reporting process failed to live up to its standards. Hannity said he would take a break from talking about Rich's death out of respect for the family.

Perhaps it would be more enlightening if you posted some excerpts from what Fox News actually reported so that the readers here could responsibly judge whether they were engaging in 'fake news'? But if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that. We'll see if WAPO demonstrates as much integrity in the CDC story most recently mentioned should that in fact turn out to be a misrepresentation. Which again I am pretty sure it was based on the pure implausibility of it if for no other reason.

'based on the pure implausibility of it'? Have you been watching what has been happening in the various departments in the last year? This would seem incredibly implausible for any administration other than this one.

Washington Post has retracted many stories it reported in error.

Now you say that you don't have a problem when Fox retracts a story that they got wrong? Really?
Do you use that same standard with CNN?

Your second post you cited this link as an example
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-times-cnn-botched-the-news-in-2017/- as examples of media "Fake news"

The botched story had four bylines, including those of three veteran journalists: anchor Jake Tapper, chief political analyst Gloria Borger and executive editor Eric Lichtblau, who had recently joined CNN from The New York Times. CNN was forced to rewrite the piece with a correction noting the error.

Note how CNN issued a correction- and admitted the error
And again- another example you claimed was fake news- another example of CNN acknowledging their error

Later that month, CNN.com published, deleted, and then retracted and apologized for an article that claimed Trump adviser Anthony Scaramucci was the subject of a Senate investigation for his ties to Russian bankers. After an intense public backlash, three key members of CNN’s investigative team resigned over their role in the retracted story.

And another one in your link that CNN retracted after the fact
CNN botched another “bombshell” on Friday when it reported that Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign had received advanced access to stolen emails published by WikiLeaks. The network hyped the story as a bombshell for most of the day before TheDC’s Chuck Ross debunked it, revealing several serious errors with the story.

So why is it okay for Fox to print "Fake news" as long as it retracts it later- but not okay when CNN does the same thing?

If Fox News gets it wrong and admits it, that's honest.

If CNN gets it wrong and admits it, that's honest.

This is what you said:
But if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that.

So why did you call CNN "Fake News"- listing 3 different stories in which CNN published stories- and then prominently retracted when they found out that the story was not accurate?

Once again- because it appears that you are using a completely different standard for Fox- that you have applied to CNN- here are the examples you cited for CNN as publishing "Fake News"-

Your second post you cited this link as an example
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-times-cnn-botched-the-news-in-2017/- as examples of media "Fake news"

The botched story had four bylines, including those of three veteran journalists: anchor Jake Tapper, chief political analyst Gloria Borger and executive editor Eric Lichtblau, who had recently joined CNN from The New York Times. CNN was forced to rewrite the piece with a correction noting the error.

Note how CNN issued a correction- and admitted the error

And again- another example you claimed was fake news- another example of CNN acknowledging their error

Later that month, CNN.com published, deleted, and then retracted and apologized for an article that claimed Trump adviser Anthony Scaramucci was the subject of a Senate investigation for his ties to Russian bankers. After an intense public backlash, three key members of CNN’s investigative team resigned over their role in the retracted story.

And another one in your link that CNN retracted after the fact
CNN botched another “bombshell” on Friday when it reported that Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign had received advanced access to stolen emails published by WikiLeaks. The network hyped the story as a bombshell for most of the day before TheDC’s Chuck Ross debunked it, revealing several serious errors with the story.

So 3 of your examples of CNN supposedly promulgating 'Fake News', CNN published a story and then later publicly retracted it.

When Fox published a story that was later shown to be false- and then retracted it later- you decided that: if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that.

 

[Syriusly]

I am putting this in the CDZ as I would like a serious, civil discussion re the serious business of media coverage that is:

1. Biased to the point of dishonesty
2. Erroneous to the point of incompetence
3. Fake news in that it is information created or repeated that is patently false.

Based on posts and people recruited to be talking heads on television, it seems obvious some think this syndrome doesn't exist at all or it is purely an invention of Fox News. Others are diligently pointing out that it does exist and is mean, cruel, hateful, and detrimental to us as a society.

So what do you think? This is the thread to express your opinions and impressions and also to post examples of fake/erroneous/misrepresented news that you run across and/or examples of news labeled 'fake' that turned out to be true.

The poll is set so that people can change their vote if they change their mind during the discussion.

While I think that even the term "Fake News' is mostly a propaganda term used primarily by the right to discredit legitimate media so that when media reports things like Watergate that Americans won't be able to distinguish real news from Fake News- there is indeed Fake news being promoted by the Media.

One of the prime examples was Fox New's story alleging Seth Rich who was murdered- was the one who leaked the emails.

Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale
Fox News' story, which took flight online and ran in segments across major shows, breathed fresh life into the rumors. Fox reported that the leaks came from inside the party and not from hackers linked to Russia — despite the conclusions of the nation's most senior intelligence officials. The network suggested that Democrats might have been connected to Rich's death and that a cover-up had thwarted the official investigation.


The network cited an unnamed FBI official. And the report relied heavily on Wheeler, a former police detective, hired months earlier on behalf of the Riches by Butowsky.

Fox's report went sideways shortly after it was posted online and aired on Fox & Friends. It was denounced by the Rich family, D.C. police, Democratic Party officials and even, privately, by some journalists within the network. Within hours, Wheeler told other news outlets that Fox News had put words in his mouth.


Despite those concerns, Wheeler appeared on the shows of Fox Business host Lou Dobbs and Fox News star Sean Hannity, who devoted significant time to the story that night and in subsequent days. In speaking with Wheeler, Hannity said: "If this is true and Seth Rich gave WikiLeaks the DNC e-mails ... this blows the whole Russia collusion narrative completely out of the water."

A week later, on May 23, Fox retracted the story, saying the reporting process failed to live up to its standards. Hannity said he would take a break from talking about Rich's death out of respect for the family.

Perhaps it would be more enlightening if you posted some excerpts from what Fox News actually reported so that the readers here could responsibly judge whether they were engaging in 'fake news'? But if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that. We'll see if WAPO demonstrates as much integrity in the CDC story most recently mentioned should that in fact turn out to be a misrepresentation. Which again I am pretty sure it was based on the pure implausibility of it if for no other reason.

'based on the pure implausibility of it'? Have you been watching what has been happening in the various departments in the last year? This would seem incredibly implausible for any administration other than this one.

Washington Post has retracted many stories it reported in error.

Now you say that you don't have a problem when Fox retracts a story that they got wrong? Really?
Do you use that same standard with CNN?

Your second post you cited this link as an example
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-times-cnn-botched-the-news-in-2017/- as examples of media "Fake news"

The botched story had four bylines, including those of three veteran journalists: anchor Jake Tapper, chief political analyst Gloria Borger and executive editor Eric Lichtblau, who had recently joined CNN from The New York Times. CNN was forced to rewrite the piece with a correction noting the error.

Note how CNN issued a correction- and admitted the error
And again- another example you claimed was fake news- another example of CNN acknowledging their error

Later that month, CNN.com published, deleted, and then retracted and apologized for an article that claimed Trump adviser Anthony Scaramucci was the subject of a Senate investigation for his ties to Russian bankers. After an intense public backlash, three key members of CNN’s investigative team resigned over their role in the retracted story.

And another one in your link that CNN retracted after the fact
CNN botched another “bombshell” on Friday when it reported that Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign had received advanced access to stolen emails published by WikiLeaks. The network hyped the story as a bombshell for most of the day before TheDC’s Chuck Ross debunked it, revealing several serious errors with the story.

So why is it okay for Fox to print "Fake news" as long as it retracts it later- but not okay when CNN does the same thing?

When any news organization deliberately smears somebody with fake news, however, or deliberately misrepresents something that affects people's livelihoods or gives the public a totally erroneous impression of something that affects the public perception, no amount of retraction will ever set that right..

So is the criteria is 'deliberately'? Care to show where CNN has deliberately smeared someone with Fake News?

The criteria of course needs to be:
a) They knew that the information was false and
b) They published it deliberately knowing it might affect someone's livelihood.

 

[Foxfyre]

I am putting this in the CDZ as I would like a serious, civil discussion re the serious business of media coverage that is:

1. Biased to the point of dishonesty
2. Erroneous to the point of incompetence
3. Fake news in that it is information created or repeated that is patently false.

Based on posts and people recruited to be talking heads on television, it seems obvious some think this syndrome doesn't exist at all or it is purely an invention of Fox News. Others are diligently pointing out that it does exist and is mean, cruel, hateful, and detrimental to us as a society.

So what do you think? This is the thread to express your opinions and impressions and also to post examples of fake/erroneous/misrepresented news that you run across and/or examples of news labeled 'fake' that turned out to be true.

The poll is set so that people can change their vote if they change their mind during the discussion.

While I think that even the term "Fake News' is mostly a propaganda term used primarily by the right to discredit legitimate media so that when media reports things like Watergate that Americans won't be able to distinguish real news from Fake News- there is indeed Fake news being promoted by the Media.

One of the prime examples was Fox New's story alleging Seth Rich who was murdered- was the one who leaked the emails.

Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale
Fox News' story, which took flight online and ran in segments across major shows, breathed fresh life into the rumors. Fox reported that the leaks came from inside the party and not from hackers linked to Russia — despite the conclusions of the nation's most senior intelligence officials. The network suggested that Democrats might have been connected to Rich's death and that a cover-up had thwarted the official investigation.


The network cited an unnamed FBI official. And the report relied heavily on Wheeler, a former police detective, hired months earlier on behalf of the Riches by Butowsky.

Fox's report went sideways shortly after it was posted online and aired on Fox & Friends. It was denounced by the Rich family, D.C. police, Democratic Party officials and even, privately, by some journalists within the network. Within hours, Wheeler told other news outlets that Fox News had put words in his mouth.


Despite those concerns, Wheeler appeared on the shows of Fox Business host Lou Dobbs and Fox News star Sean Hannity, who devoted significant time to the story that night and in subsequent days. In speaking with Wheeler, Hannity said: "If this is true and Seth Rich gave WikiLeaks the DNC e-mails ... this blows the whole Russia collusion narrative completely out of the water."

A week later, on May 23, Fox retracted the story, saying the reporting process failed to live up to its standards. Hannity said he would take a break from talking about Rich's death out of respect for the family.

Perhaps it would be more enlightening if you posted some excerpts from what Fox News actually reported so that the readers here could responsibly judge whether they were engaging in 'fake news'? But if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that. We'll see if WAPO demonstrates as much integrity in the CDC story most recently mentioned should that in fact turn out to be a misrepresentation. Which again I am pretty sure it was based on the pure implausibility of it if for no other reason.

'based on the pure implausibility of it'? Have you been watching what has been happening in the various departments in the last year? This would seem incredibly implausible for any administration other than this one.

Washington Post has retracted many stories it reported in error.

Now you say that you don't have a problem when Fox retracts a story that they got wrong? Really?
Do you use that same standard with CNN?

Your second post you cited this link as an example
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-times-cnn-botched-the-news-in-2017/- as examples of media "Fake news"

The botched story had four bylines, including those of three veteran journalists: anchor Jake Tapper, chief political analyst Gloria Borger and executive editor Eric Lichtblau, who had recently joined CNN from The New York Times. CNN was forced to rewrite the piece with a correction noting the error.

Note how CNN issued a correction- and admitted the error
And again- another example you claimed was fake news- another example of CNN acknowledging their error

Later that month, CNN.com published, deleted, and then retracted and apologized for an article that claimed Trump adviser Anthony Scaramucci was the subject of a Senate investigation for his ties to Russian bankers. After an intense public backlash, three key members of CNN’s investigative team resigned over their role in the retracted story.

And another one in your link that CNN retracted after the fact
CNN botched another “bombshell” on Friday when it reported that Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign had received advanced access to stolen emails published by WikiLeaks. The network hyped the story as a bombshell for most of the day before TheDC’s Chuck Ross debunked it, revealing several serious errors with the story.

So why is it okay for Fox to print "Fake news" as long as it retracts it later- but not okay when CNN does the same thing?

If Fox News gets it wrong and admits it, that's honest.

If CNN gets it wrong and admits it, that's honest.

This is what you said:
But if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that.

So why did you call CNN "Fake News"- listing 3 different stories in which CNN published stories- and then prominently retracted when they found out that the story was not accurate?

Once again- because it appears that you are using a completely different standard for Fox- that you have applied to CNN- here are the examples you cited for CNN as publishing "Fake News"-

Your second post you cited this link as an example
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-times-cnn-botched-the-news-in-2017/- as examples of media "Fake news"

The botched story had four bylines, including those of three veteran journalists: anchor Jake Tapper, chief political analyst Gloria Borger and executive editor Eric Lichtblau, who had recently joined CNN from The New York Times. CNN was forced to rewrite the piece with a correction noting the error.

Note how CNN issued a correction- and admitted the error

And again- another example you claimed was fake news- another example of CNN acknowledging their error

Later that month, CNN.com published, deleted, and then retracted and apologized for an article that claimed Trump adviser Anthony Scaramucci was the subject of a Senate investigation for his ties to Russian bankers. After an intense public backlash, three key members of CNN’s investigative team resigned over their role in the retracted story.

And another one in your link that CNN retracted after the fact
CNN botched another “bombshell” on Friday when it reported that Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign had received advanced access to stolen emails published by WikiLeaks. The network hyped the story as a bombshell for most of the day before TheDC’s Chuck Ross debunked it, revealing several serious errors with the story.

So 3 of your examples of CNN supposedly promulgating 'Fake News', CNN published a story and then later publicly retracted it.

When Fox published a story that was later shown to be false- and then retracted it later- you decided that: if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that.

Fox, so far as I can tell, admits their errors in the same way they initially report them--during their news cast and by the host/contributor who initially got it wrong. When CNN does the same, then good on them. When they quietly correct an error on their website or just add a footnote at the bottom, that is NOT a prominent retraction. Few of those influenced by the erroneous report will ever see it.

 

[Syriusly]

While I think that even the term "Fake News' is mostly a propaganda term used primarily by the right to discredit legitimate media so that when media reports things like Watergate that Americans won't be able to distinguish real news from Fake News- there is indeed Fake news being promoted by the Media.

One of the prime examples was Fox New's story alleging Seth Rich who was murdered- was the one who leaked the emails.

Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale
Fox News' story, which took flight online and ran in segments across major shows, breathed fresh life into the rumors. Fox reported that the leaks came from inside the party and not from hackers linked to Russia — despite the conclusions of the nation's most senior intelligence officials. The network suggested that Democrats might have been connected to Rich's death and that a cover-up had thwarted the official investigation.


The network cited an unnamed FBI official. And the report relied heavily on Wheeler, a former police detective, hired months earlier on behalf of the Riches by Butowsky.

Fox's report went sideways shortly after it was posted online and aired on Fox & Friends. It was denounced by the Rich family, D.C. police, Democratic Party officials and even, privately, by some journalists within the network. Within hours, Wheeler told other news outlets that Fox News had put words in his mouth.


Despite those concerns, Wheeler appeared on the shows of Fox Business host Lou Dobbs and Fox News star Sean Hannity, who devoted significant time to the story that night and in subsequent days. In speaking with Wheeler, Hannity said: "If this is true and Seth Rich gave WikiLeaks the DNC e-mails ... this blows the whole Russia collusion narrative completely out of the water."

A week later, on May 23, Fox retracted the story, saying the reporting process failed to live up to its standards. Hannity said he would take a break from talking about Rich's death out of respect for the family.

Perhaps it would be more enlightening if you posted some excerpts from what Fox News actually reported so that the readers here could responsibly judge whether they were engaging in 'fake news'? But if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that. We'll see if WAPO demonstrates as much integrity in the CDC story most recently mentioned should that in fact turn out to be a misrepresentation. Which again I am pretty sure it was based on the pure implausibility of it if for no other reason.

'based on the pure implausibility of it'? Have you been watching what has been happening in the various departments in the last year? This would seem incredibly implausible for any administration other than this one.

Washington Post has retracted many stories it reported in error.

Now you say that you don't have a problem when Fox retracts a story that they got wrong? Really?
Do you use that same standard with CNN?

Your second post you cited this link as an example
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-times-cnn-botched-the-news-in-2017/- as examples of media "Fake news"

The botched story had four bylines, including those of three veteran journalists: anchor Jake Tapper, chief political analyst Gloria Borger and executive editor Eric Lichtblau, who had recently joined CNN from The New York Times. CNN was forced to rewrite the piece with a correction noting the error.

Note how CNN issued a correction- and admitted the error
And again- another example you claimed was fake news- another example of CNN acknowledging their error

Later that month, CNN.com published, deleted, and then retracted and apologized for an article that claimed Trump adviser Anthony Scaramucci was the subject of a Senate investigation for his ties to Russian bankers. After an intense public backlash, three key members of CNN’s investigative team resigned over their role in the retracted story.

And another one in your link that CNN retracted after the fact
CNN botched another “bombshell” on Friday when it reported that Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign had received advanced access to stolen emails published by WikiLeaks. The network hyped the story as a bombshell for most of the day before TheDC’s Chuck Ross debunked it, revealing several serious errors with the story.

So why is it okay for Fox to print "Fake news" as long as it retracts it later- but not okay when CNN does the same thing?

If Fox News gets it wrong and admits it, that's honest.

If CNN gets it wrong and admits it, that's honest.

This is what you said:
But if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that.

So why did you call CNN "Fake News"- listing 3 different stories in which CNN published stories- and then prominently retracted when they found out that the story was not accurate?

Once again- because it appears that you are using a completely different standard for Fox- that you have applied to CNN- here are the examples you cited for CNN as publishing "Fake News"-

Your second post you cited this link as an example
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-times-cnn-botched-the-news-in-2017/- as examples of media "Fake news"

The botched story had four bylines, including those of three veteran journalists: anchor Jake Tapper, chief political analyst Gloria Borger and executive editor Eric Lichtblau, who had recently joined CNN from The New York Times. CNN was forced to rewrite the piece with a correction noting the error.

Note how CNN issued a correction- and admitted the error

And again- another example you claimed was fake news- another example of CNN acknowledging their error

Later that month, CNN.com published, deleted, and then retracted and apologized for an article that claimed Trump adviser Anthony Scaramucci was the subject of a Senate investigation for his ties to Russian bankers. After an intense public backlash, three key members of CNN’s investigative team resigned over their role in the retracted story.

And another one in your link that CNN retracted after the fact
CNN botched another “bombshell” on Friday when it reported that Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign had received advanced access to stolen emails published by WikiLeaks. The network hyped the story as a bombshell for most of the day before TheDC’s Chuck Ross debunked it, revealing several serious errors with the story.

So 3 of your examples of CNN supposedly promulgating 'Fake News', CNN published a story and then later publicly retracted it.

When Fox published a story that was later shown to be false- and then retracted it later- you decided that: if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that.

Fox, so far as I can tell, admits their errors in the same way they initially report them--during their news cast and by the host/contributor who initially got it wrong. When CNN does the same, then good on them. When they quietly correct an error on their website or just add a footnote at the bottom, that is NOT a prominent retraction. Few of those influenced by the erroneous report will ever see it.

Sigh- you are just assuming this.
I gave you a specific example of Fox doing exactly what you called CNN out for doing- and you are just rationalizing that Fox did it right- while CNN didn't.

So here is what I am going to do- I am going to spend 10 minutes and try to find the original CNN story- and their retraction- and Fox's original story and their 'retraction' - lets see shall we?

 

[Syriusly]

I'll start with this piece from the Daily Caller listing seven times this year that CNN has botched or put out fake/erroneous news:

7 Times CNN Botched The News In 2017

These include:
--Comey testimony
--Scaramucci smear
--Fake news about fake news
--Feeding fish in Japan
--The President's knowledge of Japanese cars
--Funding of the Dossier
--Don Jr. and Wikilieaks

And that's just CNN. Let's see other examples or examples of news declared fake that was actually true.

Okay- lets look at the first example here that you have declared that CNN 'botched or put out fake/erroneous news

Your link goes to a Hill article which notes that CNN issued a correction.

CNN has corrected a Tuesday report after the release of former FBI Director James Comey's opening statement for his Thursday testimony in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee contradicted the report's sources.

The CNN report said Comey was expected to dispute President Trump's claims that Comey said he was not under investigation on multiple occasions.

The report, titled “Comey expected to refute Trump," was based on unnamed sources and said Comey's conversations with the president "were much more nuanced," and that Trump drew the wrong conclusion.

Here is the link to the CNN article- and prominently and at the head of the article:

Comey unlikely to judge on obstruction - CNNPolitics

That is a pretty prominent correction

 

[Syriusly]

And here is the Fake News run by Fox- oh wait- Fox has scrubbed that page.
Luckily the web remembers
FACT CHECK: Did DNC Staffer Seth Rich Send 'Thousands of E-Mails' to WikiLeaks Before He Was Murdered?
n FBI forensic report of Rich’s computer — generated within 96 hours after Rich’s murder — showed he made contact with WikiLeaks through Gavin MacFadyen, a now-deceased American investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker, and director of WikiLeaks who was living in London at the time, the federal source told Fox News.

“I have seen and read the emails between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks,” the federal investigator told Fox News, confirming the MacFadyen connection. He said the emails are in possession of the FBI, while the stalled case is in the hands of the Washington Police Department.


The revelation is consistent with the findings of Wheeler, whose private investigation firm was hired by a third party on behalf of Rich’s family to probe the case.

So what did Fox News do when it realized that it had published "Fake News"?
Lawsuit: Fox News concocted Seth Rich story with oversight from White House

Fox News eventually deleted it from its website, saying in a note left in its place that it failed to meet the network's editorial standards.

 

[Foxfyre]

I'll start with this piece from the Daily Caller listing seven times this year that CNN has botched or put out fake/erroneous news:

7 Times CNN Botched The News In 2017

These include:
--Comey testimony
--Scaramucci smear
--Fake news about fake news
--Feeding fish in Japan
--The President's knowledge of Japanese cars
--Funding of the Dossier
--Don Jr. and Wikilieaks

And that's just CNN. Let's see other examples or examples of news declared fake that was actually true.

Okay- lets look at the first example here that you have declared that CNN 'botched or put out fake/erroneous news

Your link goes to a Hill article which notes that CNN issued a correction.

CNN has corrected a Tuesday report after the release of former FBI Director James Comey's opening statement for his Thursday testimony in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee contradicted the report's sources.

The CNN report said Comey was expected to dispute President Trump's claims that Comey said he was not under investigation on multiple occasions.

The report, titled “Comey expected to refute Trump," was based on unnamed sources and said Comey's conversations with the president "were much more nuanced," and that Trump drew the wrong conclusion.

Here is the link to the CNN article- and prominently and at the head of the article:

Comey unlikely to judge on obstruction - CNNPolitics
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That is a pretty prominent correction

And the link I provided specifically noted that they retracted their original erroneous report, a report cited as via an 'anonymous source' which is almost always the source cited for all fake news. What made it fake news was that they put it on their website and broadcast it without verifying it so that it was out there and would go viral being cited by many other news organizations and social media.

The retraction I believe was only on their website, would be seen by very few and was only published there after honest people jumped on CNN for its malicious reporting.

Now if you can find a similar example in which Fox News trashed somebody with no evidence whatsoever go for it. And if you find the source and can show that they just quietly retracted their original report, I would really like to see it.

 

[Syriusly]

While I think that even the term "Fake News' is mostly a propaganda term used primarily by the right to discredit legitimate media so that when media reports things like Watergate that Americans won't be able to distinguish real news from Fake News- there is indeed Fake news being promoted by the Media.

One of the prime examples was Fox New's story alleging Seth Rich who was murdered- was the one who leaked the emails.

Behind Fox News' Baseless Seth Rich Story: The Untold Tale
Fox News' story, which took flight online and ran in segments across major shows, breathed fresh life into the rumors. Fox reported that the leaks came from inside the party and not from hackers linked to Russia — despite the conclusions of the nation's most senior intelligence officials. The network suggested that Democrats might have been connected to Rich's death and that a cover-up had thwarted the official investigation.


The network cited an unnamed FBI official. And the report relied heavily on Wheeler, a former police detective, hired months earlier on behalf of the Riches by Butowsky.

Fox's report went sideways shortly after it was posted online and aired on Fox & Friends. It was denounced by the Rich family, D.C. police, Democratic Party officials and even, privately, by some journalists within the network. Within hours, Wheeler told other news outlets that Fox News had put words in his mouth.


Despite those concerns, Wheeler appeared on the shows of Fox Business host Lou Dobbs and Fox News star Sean Hannity, who devoted significant time to the story that night and in subsequent days. In speaking with Wheeler, Hannity said: "If this is true and Seth Rich gave WikiLeaks the DNC e-mails ... this blows the whole Russia collusion narrative completely out of the water."

A week later, on May 23, Fox retracted the story, saying the reporting process failed to live up to its standards. Hannity said he would take a break from talking about Rich's death out of respect for the family.

Perhaps it would be more enlightening if you posted some excerpts from what Fox News actually reported so that the readers here could responsibly judge whether they were engaging in 'fake news'? But if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that. We'll see if WAPO demonstrates as much integrity in the CDC story most recently mentioned should that in fact turn out to be a misrepresentation. Which again I am pretty sure it was based on the pure implausibility of it if for no other reason.

'based on the pure implausibility of it'? Have you been watching what has been happening in the various departments in the last year? This would seem incredibly implausible for any administration other than this one.

Washington Post has retracted many stories it reported in error.

Now you say that you don't have a problem when Fox retracts a story that they got wrong? Really?
Do you use that same standard with CNN?

Your second post you cited this link as an example
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-times-cnn-botched-the-news-in-2017/- as examples of media "Fake news"

The botched story had four bylines, including those of three veteran journalists: anchor Jake Tapper, chief political analyst Gloria Borger and executive editor Eric Lichtblau, who had recently joined CNN from The New York Times. CNN was forced to rewrite the piece with a correction noting the error.

Note how CNN issued a correction- and admitted the error
And again- another example you claimed was fake news- another example of CNN acknowledging their error

Later that month, CNN.com published, deleted, and then retracted and apologized for an article that claimed Trump adviser Anthony Scaramucci was the subject of a Senate investigation for his ties to Russian bankers. After an intense public backlash, three key members of CNN’s investigative team resigned over their role in the retracted story.

And another one in your link that CNN retracted after the fact
CNN botched another “bombshell” on Friday when it reported that Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign had received advanced access to stolen emails published by WikiLeaks. The network hyped the story as a bombshell for most of the day before TheDC’s Chuck Ross debunked it, revealing several serious errors with the story.

So why is it okay for Fox to print "Fake news" as long as it retracts it later- but not okay when CNN does the same thing?

If Fox News gets it wrong and admits it, that's honest.

If CNN gets it wrong and admits it, that's honest.

This is what you said:
But if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that.

So why did you call CNN "Fake News"- listing 3 different stories in which CNN published stories- and then prominently retracted when they found out that the story was not accurate?

Once again- because it appears that you are using a completely different standard for Fox- that you have applied to CNN- here are the examples you cited for CNN as publishing "Fake News"-

Your second post you cited this link as an example
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-times-cnn-botched-the-news-in-2017/- as examples of media "Fake news"

The botched story had four bylines, including those of three veteran journalists: anchor Jake Tapper, chief political analyst Gloria Borger and executive editor Eric Lichtblau, who had recently joined CNN from The New York Times. CNN was forced to rewrite the piece with a correction noting the error.

Note how CNN issued a correction- and admitted the error

And again- another example you claimed was fake news- another example of CNN acknowledging their error

Later that month, CNN.com published, deleted, and then retracted and apologized for an article that claimed Trump adviser Anthony Scaramucci was the subject of a Senate investigation for his ties to Russian bankers. After an intense public backlash, three key members of CNN’s investigative team resigned over their role in the retracted story.

And another one in your link that CNN retracted after the fact
CNN botched another “bombshell” on Friday when it reported that Donald Trump Jr. and the Trump campaign had received advanced access to stolen emails published by WikiLeaks. The network hyped the story as a bombshell for most of the day before TheDC’s Chuck Ross debunked it, revealing several serious errors with the story.

So 3 of your examples of CNN supposedly promulgating 'Fake News', CNN published a story and then later publicly retracted it.

When Fox published a story that was later shown to be false- and then retracted it later- you decided that: if Fox prominently retracted a story they determined they got wrong, I don't have a problem with that.

Fox, so far as I can tell, admits their errors in the same way they initially report them--during their news cast and by the host/contributor who initially got it wrong. .

'so far as I can tell'

Lawsuit: Fox News concocted Seth Rich story with oversight from White House

Fox News eventually deleted it from its website, saying in a note left in its place that it failed to meet the network's editorial standards.

This is a story that Fox News ran prominently both on its website- and in its broadcasts.

Frankly- you have assumed that Fox 'acts responsibly' without even checking on the very story that you provided.

Did you ever research any of the claims in 'lists' you got on the internet?

Because in your very first list- CNN prominently made a correction to a very minor mistake- which you claimed was 'fake news'- but I just showed that Fox did exactly what you claimed was 'Fake News'- but you never even bothered to see what Fox had done.

 

[Syriusly]

I'll start with this piece from the Daily Caller listing seven times this year that CNN has botched or put out fake/erroneous news:

7 Times CNN Botched The News In 2017

These include:
--Comey testimony
--Scaramucci smear
--Fake news about fake news
--Feeding fish in Japan
--The President's knowledge of Japanese cars
--Funding of the Dossier
--Don Jr. and Wikilieaks

And that's just CNN. Let's see other examples or examples of news declared fake that was actually true.

Okay- lets look at the first example here that you have declared that CNN 'botched or put out fake/erroneous news

Your link goes to a Hill article which notes that CNN issued a correction.

CNN has corrected a Tuesday report after the release of former FBI Director James Comey's opening statement for his Thursday testimony in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee contradicted the report's sources.

The CNN report said Comey was expected to dispute President Trump's claims that Comey said he was not under investigation on multiple occasions.

The report, titled “Comey expected to refute Trump," was based on unnamed sources and said Comey's conversations with the president "were much more nuanced," and that Trump drew the wrong conclusion.

Here is the link to the CNN article- and prominently and at the head of the article:

Comey unlikely to judge on obstruction - CNNPolitics
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That is a pretty prominent correction

And the link I provided specifically noted that they retracted their original erroneous report, a report cited as via an 'anonymous source' which is almost always the source cited for all fake news. What made it fake news was that they put it on their website and broadcast it without verifying it so that it was out there and would go viral being cited by many other news organizations and social media.

The retraction I believe was only on their website, would be seen by very few and was only published there after honest people jumped on CNN for its malicious reporting.

Now if you can find a similar example in which Fox News trashed somebody with no evidence whatsoever go for it. And if you find the source and can show that they just quietly retracted their original report, I would really like to see it.

Sigh.

Who was CNN 'trashing' in their article?

Remember the link you provided was a partisan analysis of an article printed in the Hill- and not anything from CNN.

The retraction I believe was only on their website, would be seen by very few and was only published there after honest people jumped on CNN for its malicious reporting.

What was 'malicious' about the article?

You want an example of Fox trashing someone like this? Well first of all you have to tell me who CNN trashed in this article.

 

[Foxfyre]

And here is the Fake News run by Fox- oh wait- Fox has scrubbed that page.
Luckily the web remembers
FACT CHECK: Did DNC Staffer Seth Rich Send 'Thousands of E-Mails' to WikiLeaks Before He Was Murdered?
n FBI forensic report of Rich’s computer — generated within 96 hours after Rich’s murder — showed he made contact with WikiLeaks through Gavin MacFadyen, a now-deceased American investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker, and director of WikiLeaks who was living in London at the time, the federal source told Fox News.

“I have seen and read the emails between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks,” the federal investigator told Fox News, confirming the MacFadyen connection. He said the emails are in possession of the FBI, while the stalled case is in the hands of the Washington Police Department.


The revelation is consistent with the findings of Wheeler, whose private investigation firm was hired by a third party on behalf of Rich’s family to probe the case.

So what did Fox News do when it realized that it had published "Fake News"?
Lawsuit: Fox News concocted Seth Rich story with oversight from White House

Fox News eventually deleted it from its website, saying in a note left in its place that it failed to meet the network's editorial standards.

Where is the evidence of a 'note left in its place that it failed to meet the network's editorial standards.'?

I wasn't fully aware of a lawsuit though I have read a LOT of legal text regarding those and I have never seen one worded like the one linked in the piece you linked. But if the story is legit, at least Fox at least named a source instead of working from all 'anonymous sources' and if they are guilty of libel or slander, it will come out in court.

I suspect the court proceedings themselves, if this goes to court, will be more accurate than any news reporting about it.

 

[mudwhistle]

The only truly "fake news" I've seen recently has been right here, posted by Alex23. Some of his sites are beyond not credible.

Apparently it's only fake if you don't like it.
That isn't an accurate assessment.

 

[Foxfyre]

I'll start with this piece from the Daily Caller listing seven times this year that CNN has botched or put out fake/erroneous news:

7 Times CNN Botched The News In 2017

These include:
--Comey testimony
--Scaramucci smear
--Fake news about fake news
--Feeding fish in Japan
--The President's knowledge of Japanese cars
--Funding of the Dossier
--Don Jr. and Wikilieaks

And that's just CNN. Let's see other examples or examples of news declared fake that was actually true.

Okay- lets look at the first example here that you have declared that CNN 'botched or put out fake/erroneous news

Your link goes to a Hill article which notes that CNN issued a correction.

CNN has corrected a Tuesday report after the release of former FBI Director James Comey's opening statement for his Thursday testimony in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee contradicted the report's sources.

The CNN report said Comey was expected to dispute President Trump's claims that Comey said he was not under investigation on multiple occasions.

The report, titled “Comey expected to refute Trump," was based on unnamed sources and said Comey's conversations with the president "were much more nuanced," and that Trump drew the wrong conclusion.

Here is the link to the CNN article- and prominently and at the head of the article:

Comey unlikely to judge on obstruction - CNNPolitics
View attachment 166586

That is a pretty prominent correction

And the link I provided specifically noted that they retracted their original erroneous report, a report cited as via an 'anonymous source' which is almost always the source cited for all fake news. What made it fake news was that they put it on their website and broadcast it without verifying it so that it was out there and would go viral being cited by many other news organizations and social media.

The retraction I believe was only on their website, would be seen by very few and was only published there after honest people jumped on CNN for its malicious reporting.

Now if you can find a similar example in which Fox News trashed somebody with no evidence whatsoever go for it. And if you find the source and can show that they just quietly retracted their original report, I would really like to see it.

Sigh.

Who was CNN 'trashing' in their article?

Remember the link you provided was a partisan analysis of an article printed in the Hill- and not anything from CNN.

The retraction I believe was only on their website, would be seen by very few and was only published there after honest people jumped on CNN for its malicious reporting.

What was 'malicious' about the article?

You want an example of Fox trashing someone like this? Well first of all you have to tell me who CNN trashed in this article.

Perhaps if you read the definition of libel/slander that might help clear things up for you? Or if you read the lawsuit linked in the source I linked?

 

[Syriusly]

And here is the Fake News run by Fox- oh wait- Fox has scrubbed that page.
Luckily the web remembers
FACT CHECK: Did DNC Staffer Seth Rich Send 'Thousands of E-Mails' to WikiLeaks Before He Was Murdered?
n FBI forensic report of Rich’s computer — generated within 96 hours after Rich’s murder — showed he made contact with WikiLeaks through Gavin MacFadyen, a now-deceased American investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker, and director of WikiLeaks who was living in London at the time, the federal source told Fox News.

“I have seen and read the emails between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks,” the federal investigator told Fox News, confirming the MacFadyen connection. He said the emails are in possession of the FBI, while the stalled case is in the hands of the Washington Police Department.


The revelation is consistent with the findings of Wheeler, whose private investigation firm was hired by a third party on behalf of Rich’s family to probe the case.

So what did Fox News do when it realized that it had published "Fake News"?
Lawsuit: Fox News concocted Seth Rich story with oversight from White House

Fox News eventually deleted it from its website, saying in a note left in its place that it failed to meet the network's editorial standards.

Where is the evidence of a 'note left in its place that it failed to meet the network's editorial standards.'?.

Wow- I am sorry- but you are clearly utilizing two entirely different standards between Fox and CNN

When CNN published a story that turned out to be incorrect- and prominently- at the head of the article- issued the correction- you said this:
The retraction I believe was only on their website, would be seen by very few and was only published there after honest people jumped on CNN for its malicious reporting.

But when Fox published a story that turned out to be incorrect- and instead of prominently issuing a correction- deleted the story- and left a note on the web- you give Fox a pass- noting:

Where is the evidence of a 'note left in its place that it failed to meet the network's editorial standards.'?

Is it possible for you to hold CNN and Fox to the same standards?

So far it doesn't appear so.

 

[Syriusly]

I'll start with this piece from the Daily Caller listing seven times this year that CNN has botched or put out fake/erroneous news:

7 Times CNN Botched The News In 2017

These include:
--Comey testimony
--Scaramucci smear
--Fake news about fake news
--Feeding fish in Japan
--The President's knowledge of Japanese cars
--Funding of the Dossier
--Don Jr. and Wikilieaks

And that's just CNN. Let's see other examples or examples of news declared fake that was actually true.

Okay- lets look at the first example here that you have declared that CNN 'botched or put out fake/erroneous news

Your link goes to a Hill article which notes that CNN issued a correction.

CNN has corrected a Tuesday report after the release of former FBI Director James Comey's opening statement for his Thursday testimony in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee contradicted the report's sources.

The CNN report said Comey was expected to dispute President Trump's claims that Comey said he was not under investigation on multiple occasions.

The report, titled “Comey expected to refute Trump," was based on unnamed sources and said Comey's conversations with the president "were much more nuanced," and that Trump drew the wrong conclusion.

Here is the link to the CNN article- and prominently and at the head of the article:

Comey unlikely to judge on obstruction - CNNPolitics
View attachment 166586

That is a pretty prominent correction

And the link I provided specifically noted that they retracted their original erroneous report, a report cited as via an 'anonymous source' which is almost always the source cited for all fake news. What made it fake news was that they put it on their website and broadcast it without verifying it so that it was out there and would go viral being cited by many other news organizations and social media.

The retraction I believe was only on their website, would be seen by very few and was only published there after honest people jumped on CNN for its malicious reporting.

Now if you can find a similar example in which Fox News trashed somebody with no evidence whatsoever go for it. And if you find the source and can show that they just quietly retracted their original report, I would really like to see it.

Sigh.

Who was CNN 'trashing' in their article?

Remember the link you provided was a partisan analysis of an article printed in the Hill- and not anything from CNN.

The retraction I believe was only on their website, would be seen by very few and was only published there after honest people jumped on CNN for its malicious reporting.

What was 'malicious' about the article?

You want an example of Fox trashing someone like this? Well first of all you have to tell me who CNN trashed in this article.

Perhaps if you read the definition of libel/slander that might help clear things up for you? Or if you read the lawsuit linked in the source I linked?

What would help me is if you can point to what you believe was 'malicious' in the CNN article? Who you believe CNN trashed in that specific article?

 

[Syriusly]

[
Now if you can find a similar example in which Fox News trashed somebody with no evidence whatsoever go for it. .

How about Trump trashing someone with no evidence whatsoever? Almost too easy


Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!


— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017

I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017

How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017



Did Trump have any evidence that President Obama was 'wire tapping' when he made the claim? Apparently not since he didn't

Revisiting Trump's Wiretap Tweets - FactCheck.org

In an update to our March 6 story, we noted that Comey on March 20 told the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence that the Department of Justice and the FBI had no information to support Trump’s tweets that the Obama administration wiretapped his phones at Trump Tower. The committee is among those — including special prosecutor Robert S. Mueller III — investigating Russia’s attempt to influence the 2016 presidential election and whether Trump’s campaign associates were aware and involved in Russia’s efforts. (See “Timeline of Russia Investigation” for details of the various investigations.)


“With respect to the president’s tweets about alleged wiretapping directed at him by the prior administration, I have no information that supports those tweets and we have looked carefully inside the FBI,” Comey said. “The Department of Justice has asked me to share with you that the answer is the same for the Department of Justice and all its components. The department has no information that supports those tweets.”


This month, the Department of Justice repeated that statement in a court filing.

 

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Here we have Fox News- editorializing that the FBI is committing a coup against the U.S. government.

No that is Fake News. Intended to slander the FBI for the sole benefit of the Trump administration.

Fox News host Jesse Watters criticized Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation at the FBI, suggesting it’s been “crooked from the jump.”


“If that’s true,” he said on Saturday, “we have a coup on our hands in America.”

Jeanine Pirro on her Fox News program on Saturday said that never in presidential election history has there been “as great a crime or as large a stain on our democracy than that committed by a criminal cabal in our FBI and the Department of Justice who think they know better than we who our president should be.”

Fox News host and growing media conspiracy theorist Sean Hannity in June said a “soft coup is underway” in America aiming to overturn Trump’s election. “Sinister forces quickly aligning, in what is becoming now, in my mind, a clear and present danger.”

 

[Foxfyre]

Robert Parry is a well respected journalist with no partisan bias that I have ever been able to detect. He was one of the principles in the media to ferret out Oliver North's basement activities during the Iran Contra scandal and was one of the most serious investigative reporters reporting on Iran Contra as well as other serious pieces he has done on the Clinton years and the rise of the Bush dynasty from Watergate to Iraq. He offers something for everybody regardless of your ideology or political partisanship.

So I was intrigued when a friend elsewhere pointed out this article by Robert Parry that was posted today. It isn't a complete expose' of fake news by any means, but it sure provides food for thought for anybody interested in the topic:
Russia-gate’s Litany of Corrections – Robert Parry | Veterans News Now

Excerpt from the opening paragraphs:

. . .Misguided groupthink is always a danger when key elements of the Washington establishment and the major news media share the same belief – whether that is Iraq’s supposed possession of WMD or the need to bring down some foreign or domestic leader unpopular with the elites.

Yet, we have rarely witnessed such a cascading collapse of journalistic principles as has occurred around the Russia-gate “scandal.” It is hard to keep track of all the corrections or to take note of all the dead ends that the investigation keeps finding. . .​

 

[Syriusly]

[
Now if you can find a similar example in which Fox News trashed somebody with no evidence whatsoever go for it. And if you find the source and can show that they just quietly retracted their original report, I would really like to see it.

Seth Rich: Separating fact and speculation

Fast forward to May 16, 2017. Fox News reported that the FBI had proof that Rich had sent WikiLeaks "thousands of internal emails."

Fox cited an anonymous federal investigator who said the FBI had the emails between Rich and WikiLeaks. It also quoted Rod Wheeler, a private investigator who was looking into Rich’s death on behalf of Rich’s parents , as saying, "My investigation up to this point shows there was some degree of email exchange between Seth Rich and Wikileaks."