CDZ California, Fire and Tax Reform

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    Insurance money means that many more people can afford to get out of there than in a normal year and I wonder if that is what is going to happen.
     
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    This is interesting for a couple reasons.

    In Missouri here, the show me state, we show people their land floods with several feet of water every few years. What do they do? They collect welfare and rebuild. Then they find land which wasn't just the flood plain but plainly part of the river and talk their aldermen into developing it at cost to all of us so their is an excuse to build a larger levee and push the water onto someone else.

    In California I suspect we will see the same. Instead of moving folks will try to create fire breaks or something no doubt at a cost to us.

    Consider the electoral college also. What IF a number of Democrat voting Californians had moved to the Midwest. The election may have gone differently.

    Personally I think California is near its limit for the human population it can support without a ridiculous amount of environmental welfare from the rest of us so I hope the cost of living deters future growth and pushes a few ppl back to Cleveland.
     
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    You are right at many points but you are confusing the environmental symptoms with the fiscal disease. Sacramento is surviving on the government equivalent of payday loans.
     
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    That may be true but I see them as partially related.

    Consider we can chose to build a business park in St Louis on land in the flood plain which we will have to pay to keep out of the river for eternity.

    Or, we can just let it get built on higher ground 5 miles away and the infrastructure will be as cheap to maintain as anyplace in the world.
     
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    CA cannot do the equivalent. For more than 150 years the state has been doubling down on dumb. To take the most obvious example, the state capital, Sacramento is built on a flood plain. The flood plain persists because CA is a rice exporting state. That goes back to the Gold Rush and illegal Chinese coolie immigrants being smuggled in to help relieve the labor shortage in the gold fields. It has been that dysfunctional for that long.
     
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    Big business, them leftists and their Republican governors have made for an interesting place.

    Could we find common ground and say, "FEMA is only going to come and bail you out once from an emergency".

    My thinking is:

    We know where he fault lines are.
    We know where it floods.
    We know where you better expect hurricanes.
    We know where the forest fires happen.

    This is the 21st century, we don't need to all be gathered around the river because we can't carry our buckets of water further.
    You still get rescued and relocated once because the country does have a good amount of legacy infrastructure we need to evolve from.
     

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