Faded Piece of Papyrus Refers to Jesus' Wife...

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/us/historian-says-piece-of-papyrus-refers-to-jesus-wife.html?_r=1


    Now, does it matter to Christians if Jesus was married? Will it hurt, help or not matter at all to the Christian faith?

    To me it does not matter. He was a man after all. He may have even had children...it still doesnt change his teachings.
     
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    Don't believe it myself. It was on purpose he didn't have a wife because I believe he knew he would be raised to the 2nd heaven. This is an Islamic POV so I believe he will be married when he comes back as the messiah
     
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    Its hard to speak about the Islamic POV, I dont know enough about the faith to even make an educated guess about a lot of the belief structure.

    Personally, being raised a Catholic, it doesnt matter to me one way or the other. Whether or not he was married has no bearing on his teachings.

    I guess it would effect the dogma and structure of the Christian tenants of some of the different sects of the faith.

    To me it is all about searching for the truth.
     
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    To Christians it shouldn't make sense either because don't you believe he will get married when he comes back? I don't think he had children though. But these finds are interesting if they find more it would be nice to see about all Prophets
     
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    I hope Jesus had a wife that he loved and considered his best friend. :)
     
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    the nicene creed was used as a filter to accept/reject the various xtian holy texts (there were lots of them extant back then) around 325AD. at that time xnity was going thru various heretical crises and some definitive statement was needed as to what xtians believe, so the council of nicea was called, met & decided. they wrote the creed and then used it as a filter to determine what of all the various texts floating around back then was to "officially" appear in the xtian new testament. then about 1200 years later the caths had their council of trent in response to the prots reformation attempts etc etc etc etc etc

    of course today 1700 years later some of these rejected scripts appear every now & then, but i don't think too many xtians care because they already know the current cath/prot bibles are "approved" and all the other stuff rejected


    http://www.kencollins.com/explanations/why-07.htm
    http://www.kencollins.com/bible/bible-c1.htm

    The Nicene Creed is the definitive statement of Christian orthodoxy.

    Origins of the Nicene Creed
    The Nicene Creed was formulated at the First Ecumenical Council at Nicea in AD 325 to combat Arianism, and it was expanded at the Second Ecumenical Council at Constantinople in AD 381 to balance its coverage of the Trinity by including the Holy Spirit. It is the only creed that was promulgated by any of the seven ecumenical councils and thus it is the only creed that is truly ecumenical and universal. In the Orthodox Church, it is the only creed.

    The New Testament and the Nicene Creed are deeply entangled with each other. The wording and the concepts in the Nicene Creed come from the New Testament—in fact, one of the most important debates at the Council of Nicea concerned whether it is proper to include a word in the Nicene Creed that does not occur in the New Testament. On the other hand, at the time that the Church issued the official canon of the New Testament, it customarily compared writings to the Nicene Creed to determine if they were orthodox. So you are correct if you say that the Nicene Creed proceeds from the New Testament, and you are correct if you say that the New Testament is certified by the Nicene Creed.

    To put it more precisely, the Nicene Creed and the canon of the New Testament were formed together as part of the same process....

    edit - get the dates/numbers right
     
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    Granny don't believe it, she says Jesus was pro'bly talkin' about the church bein' his bride like it says inna Bible...
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    Doubts over Harvard claim of 'Jesus' Wife' papyrus
    Sep 19,`12 -- Is a scrap of papyrus suggesting that Jesus had a wife authentic?
     
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    It doesn't make any difference if he was married or not. Probably one of the books Constantine tossed. Won't effect the faith. I could have been a reference to the Bride of Christ for all we know. Without the rest of the text we have no Idea what it's about.
     
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    The council of Nicea in 324 AD was kind of a necessity.

    Constantine saw the Christian uprising as a threat to Rome and its way of life. He "allowed" Christianity to exist to keep the peace as long as they believed in what his council had put together, the proper Christian belief system...a new power structure of sorts, the Church.

    The Bible doesnt mention if Christ was or wasnt married. Many believe that the omission to the fact means he wasnt married, as the Catholic church has mandated a life of celibacy by its priests around 1400 or 1700 AD. (I forget the date).

    While many others believe that Mary Magdaline was his wife and according to the Gospel of Mary, she was the next leader of the church.

    I think until we find more texts regarding this issue, it will only be speculation and guessing games.
     

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