F35 - superfighter or lame duck?

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  1. Daryl Hunt
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    There is an area in Syria that is hotly contested. The Iranians have tried to move in Surface to Air installations and had them taken out. This area is used by the Israelis to inflight refuel to reach Iran. The Refuelers aren't stealth and would be suseptiple to the SAs. No, the F-35A does not have quite the range to go everywhere in Iran unrefueled. But it can go into Iran quite a ways without refueling in a Sensor and Camera mode. But in a war situation, it would be needed to be refueled as would all the other birds including the loaded down F-15s and 16s. So Israel keeps that one area in Syria SA clean. Both Iran and Syria cry to high heaven about it but Russia stays mute about it.

    Those flights have been complained about by Iran, itself. You can try and discount them but Iran says they happen and claims they are against International Law. Iran complaining about another country violating international law is a real hoot.
     
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    They tracked stealth planes that were flying with luneberg reflectors, broadcasting their position with ADS-B transponders since in civilian airspace, and they knew exactly when/where they would be beforehand. That sure sounds like a valid real world test.

    Congrats on eating up the marketing hype of a company trying to sell a product.

    This reminds me of when some other pilots were saying they could see B-2s on radar when it turned out they were flying with radar reflectors, B-2s went on to bomb well defended targets in Iraq and the Balkans with impunity and never even having a shot taken at them from the IADS defending the targets. Serbians thought US was hitting them with waves of cruise missiles, which turned out to be a new type of bomb (JDAM) dropped from B-2s.
     
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    There is a border crossing between Syria and Iran that the US wants to remain closed. Can you imagine the Beelzeboob raging? Making ISIS, then SDF, all the efforts. And then there is now that open border crossing...

    "“Daesh’s attempts to launch attacks came from the American military’s orders because the U.S. has kept Daesh units in the region; they also support them and use them for special plots,” a Syrian field source told the Sputnik News Agency on Monday."
    US attempting to block new Syrian-Iraqi crossing from opening: Russian media

    "According to local sources, the Syrian and Iranian forces that were positioned northeast of Albukamal city were the targets of an airstrike along the Iraqi border; this attack would lead to several casualties.
    No group has claimed responsibility for the attack; however, the Syrian military believes the strikes were carried out by the Israeli Air Force."
    Syrian, Iranian forces come under attack by unknown warplanes near Iraqi border

    There is no glory for the F-35 to be earned.
     
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    The F-35 is essentially a multi role replacement for the F-16, and some variants of the F/A-18. Is it better than these? Yes.
     
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    Interest AMA from a AH-1Z pilot here: IAmA USMC Cobra Pilot and FAC(A) and back to answer your questions on CAS : WarCollege
    Some of the responses mentioned F-35s and might surprise the folks who've been in this thread claiming fast movers can't do CAS or that CAS = gun runs.

    Q: What’s your opinion, as a pilot and CAS-specialist, on CAS-specialised fixed-wings today and for the years to come, and what do you think will be the future for them post A-10?

    A: Tricky question. I love the A-10 and I love A-10 pilots, but the writing is on the wall for that platform (much in the way it is for mine depending on who you talk to). There's a saying in aviation that "the man in the box mattters"; which I'd say is the single biggest misconception I see regarding attack aircraft on reddit; the machine helps, but ultimately how effectively a squadron trains to a given mission set, to include CAS, will drive its proficiency. The best FW shooter I've ever controlled was a F-35 flown by a former Harrier guy.

    Q: In elaboration on the last question - the cannon will almost certainly still be a needed part of the CAS package. With the 30mm considered obsolescent with today’s armor technology, what will the future of calibers for the CAS cannon be, along with its capabilities?

    A: I'd disagree with this, or at least as an absolute must. Like you say, it is certainly useless for armor. 25mm is a pretty good intermediate caliber IMO but frankly I'd rather keep a jet at altitude and far away and plink with APKWS - I'm of the opinion that lightweight PGMs are the way of the future for jets.

    Q: That begs the question ... what makes a good CAS aircraft?

    A: My cop-out answer is a good CAS squadron. My far the best CAS players I've controlled were F-35s flown by former Harrier pilots. But on a technical side, a good sensor (or sensors) and long legs are the two things that make my life easier. A legacy Hornet checking in with an ATFLIR makes things significantly tougher than an A-10 with a Sniper pod.



    Okay "only A-10 with 30mm gun can do CAS" folks, you may return to reading your defense blogs written by "experts" who are fat guys sitting in their basements and have never served in the military.
     
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    As Japan did earlier this year, Netherlands has decided to up their order after getting their hands on seeing what the plane can do.

    The Netherlands to buy nine more F-35s for $1.1 billion

    COLOGNE, Germany – The Dutch government on Tuesday announced plans to purchase nine more of Lockheed Martin's F-35 jets, a move that would bring the country's inventory to 46.The envisioned €1 billion acquisition will “lay the foundation” for a third F-35 squadron in the Dutch air force, a plan that government officials first floated in late 2018, according to a statement posted on the defense ministry website.
     
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    Korea doubles down as well. They currently have eight F-35s (out of the initial order of 40)

    South Korea to buy 20 more F-35 jets

    South Korea to buy 20 more F-35 jets

    SEOUL — South Korea will begin the second phase of its plan to acquire stealthy fighter jets, code-named F-X III, by acquiring 20 more F-35s, the country’s arms procurement agency has confirmed. The Asian economic power had ordered 40 F-35As for Air Force operations under a 2014 deal worth about $6.4 billion, with the delivery of the fifth-generation fighters starting earlier this year. “The government is preparing to launch the second phase of the F-X III in 2021 for the five years to come,” the Defense Acquisition Program Administration, or DAPA, said in a report to the National Assembly on Oct. 7. About $3.3 billion will go toward buying the additional Lockheed Martin-made aircraft, the report noted.


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