Everyone agree that crazy people should not own guns?

[editec]

I doubt that a stringent prohibition on anybody with a psychiatric DX buying a gun woud prevent a whole lot of these events.

Some perhaps, but not many.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Anyone who is suspected of having a mental illness, or is being treated for one, should not be allowed to purchase a gun.

According to statistics one out of four Americans has been treated for some kind of 'mental illness' as you put it. And another two out of four could benefit from psychiatric treament. So basically you're saying three quarters of the current gun owners shouldn't be allowed to own them. Yeah I can see how liberals would love that.

That would be fair. Someone who has depression could use the gun to shoot themselves. Someone who has an illness causing a threat to society should not be allowed to have a gun because they have the potential to do harm to others.

You guys are truly nuts, and will see a lot more mass shootings if you allow the mentally ill to get their hands on firearms.

The vast majority of people with depression - and everyone gets depressed sometimes, by the way - are not a danger to themselves or anyone else. People who are severely or chronically depressed enough to be taking anti-depressants are, by virtue of taking those anti-depressants, not a danger to themselves or anyone else. That's sort of the point of medication. And you DO realize that someone who really is determined to kill himself is not going to change his mind simply because you make one method of doing so unavailable, right? Once again, the liberal dimwit blames the tool, not the operator.

In case you weren't aware of it - and I'm sure you weren't, since you don't seem to think knowing anything about the United States is any sort of requirement for telling us how to run it - but we already have laws for dealing with people who are a danger to society. Once again, the problem is NOT a lack of laws, and certainly not the tools which you seem to fear so greatly (makes me wonder what that says about YOUR personality, that you're convinced that the mere presence of a gun will lead to violence). The problem is people not doing their jobs properly.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The requirement is that competent authority ( usually a Judge) must make such a ruling. You remember how our system works right? Innocent till proven guilty, right to face your accusers and to a day in court?

Correct.

Anyone who is suspected of having a mental illness, or is being treated for one, should not be allowed to purchase a gun.

Incorrect.

 

[Politico]

The vast majority of people with depression - and everyone gets depressed sometimes, by the way - are not a danger to themselves or anyone else. People who are severely or chronically depressed enough to be taking anti-depressants are, by virtue of taking those anti-depressants, not a danger to themselves or anyone else.

The problem is by her standards they fall into the no go category because they're on meds. Then of course the next step is to expand the categorization to include the people who should be taking them but aren't. And finally people get thrown into the mix for not conforming with the societal 'norm' that some panel of psycholgy experts define. Suddenly losing your temper or disagreeing at a traffic stop gets you categorized as combative or potentially dangerous and you're put on the list. Eventually the number of 'dangerous' folks outnumber the normal ones. That creates a huge danger of course because they may grab all the guns from the sane folks and go on rampages. From there a whole cascade of events start. Next thing you know everyone ends up with no guns which is really what these folks want.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Anyone who is suspected of having a mental illness, or is being treated for one, should not be allowed to purchase a gun.

According to statistics one out of four Americans has been treated for some kind of 'mental illness' as you put it. And another two out of four could benefit from psychiatric treament. So basically you're saying three quarters of the current gun owners shouldn't be allowed to own them. Yeah I can see how liberals would love that.

That would be fair. Someone who has depression could use the gun to shoot themselves. Someone who has an illness causing a threat to society should not be allowed to have a gun because they have the potential to do harm to others.

You guys are truly nuts, and will see a lot more mass shootings if you allow the mentally ill to get their hands on firearms.

And males who have not been castrated have the potential to commit rape, so...

 

[editec]

Approximately 20.9 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the U.S. population age 18 and older in a given year, have a mood disorder.

Approximately 2.4 million American adults, or about 1.1 percent of the population age 18 and older in a given year, have schizophrenia/

Approximately 40 million American adults ages 18 and older, or about 18.1 percent of people in this age group in a given year, have an anxiety disorder.

Approximately 6 million American adults ages 18 and older, or about 2.7 percent of people in this age group in a given year, have panic disorder.

Approximately 2.2 million American adults age 18 and older, or about 1.0 percent of people in this age group in a given year, have OCD.

Approximately 7.7 million American adults age 18 and older, or about 3.5 percent of people in this age group in a given year, have PTSD.

Approximately 6.8 million American adults, or about 3.1 percent of people age 18 and over, have Generalized Anxiety Disorder in a given year

Approximately 15 million American adults age 18 and over, or about 6.8 percent of people in this age group in a given year, have social phobia.

In their lifetime, an estimated 0.5 percent to 3.7 percent of females suffer from anorexia, and an estimated 1.1 percent to 4.2 percent suffer from bulimia.
Community surveys have estimated that between 2 percent and 5 percent of Americans experience binge-eating disorder in a 6-month period.

source


NOT including eating disorders, the sum of all "mental, emotional or social" disturbed Americans = 107,000,000 Citizens.


And these are the diagnosed cases.

 

[uscitizen]

The requirement is that competent authority ( usually a Judge) must make such a ruling. You remember how our system works right? Innocent till proven guilty, right to face your accusers and to a day in court?

Correct.

Anyone who is suspected of having a mental illness, or is being treated for one, should not be allowed to purchase a gun.

Incorrect.

True, otherwise no Tea Party types could buy guns.

 

[uscitizen]

Approximately 20.9 million American adults, or about 9.5 percent of the U.S. population age 18 and older in a given year, have a mood disorder.

Approximately 2.4 million American adults, or about 1.1 percent of the population age 18 and older in a given year, have schizophrenia/

Approximately 40 million American adults ages 18 and older, or about 18.1 percent of people in this age group in a given year, have an anxiety disorder.

Approximately 6 million American adults ages 18 and older, or about 2.7 percent of people in this age group in a given year, have panic disorder.

Approximately 2.2 million American adults age 18 and older, or about 1.0 percent of people in this age group in a given year, have OCD.

Approximately 7.7 million American adults age 18 and older, or about 3.5 percent of people in this age group in a given year, have PTSD.

Approximately 6.8 million American adults, or about 3.1 percent of people age 18 and over, have Generalized Anxiety Disorder in a given year

Approximately 15 million American adults age 18 and over, or about 6.8 percent of people in this age group in a given year, have social phobia.

In their lifetime, an estimated 0.5 percent to 3.7 percent of females suffer from anorexia, and an estimated 1.1 percent to 4.2 percent suffer from bulimia.
Community surveys have estimated that between 2 percent and 5 percent of Americans experience binge-eating disorder in a 6-month period.

source


NOT including eating disorders, the sum of all "mental, emotional or social" disturbed Americans = 107,000,000 Citizens.


And these are the diagnosed cases.

And you did not even mention those who voted for Bachman.

 

[whitehall]

The Virginia Tech shooter was crazy and everyone knew it. Instead of an arrest record the local Police managed to force him in to psychiatric counseling. Through a glitch in the Va. law psychiatric counseling did not show up on the instant name check and the shooter was able to "legally" purchase guns despite the fact that the University was scared to death of him. The Batman shooter was a disturbed individual who's psychiatrist was apparently so alarmed that he warned the schools he attended that he was dangerous and yet he was apparently able to "legally" purchase weapons because the liberal establishment has set the rules so that society has no defense against nut cases. It might seem harsh but I think it is reasonable that drug prescriptions for depression or learning disabilities or behavior problems or any other mental problem be entered in a data base only accessed by Law Enforcement and those people be restricted from ever purchasing a firearm.

You are a moron. People taking anti depressants are not crazy. People with learning disabilities are not crazy. As for crazy it is already illegal. The requirement is that competent authority ( usually a Judge) must make such a ruling. You remember how our system works right? Innocent till proven guilty, right to face your accusers and to a day in court?

Sorry Gunster but your vision is limited. I used the word "crazy" but you can call it anything you want including mentally impaired. If the left want's to do something about gun ownership they need to expand the definition of mentally impaired instead of researching magazine capacities.

 

[whitehall]

The Virginia Tech shooter was crazy and everyone knew it. Instead of an arrest record the local Police managed to force him in to psychiatric counseling. Through a glitch in the Va. law psychiatric counseling did not show up on the instant name check and the shooter was able to "legally" purchase guns despite the fact that the University was scared to death of him. The Batman shooter was a disturbed individual who's psychiatrist was apparently so alarmed that he warned the schools he attended that he was dangerous and yet he was apparently able to "legally" purchase weapons because the liberal establishment has set the rules so that society has no defense against nut cases. It might seem harsh but I think it is reasonable that drug prescriptions for depression or learning disabilities or behavior problems or any other mental problem be entered in a data base only accessed by Law Enforcement and those people be restricted from ever purchasing a firearm.

'so called "crazy people" do not commit violent crimes at any higher rate than the general population..

Say what eos? I rest my case.

 

[whitehall]

The requirement is that competent authority ( usually a Judge) must make such a ruling. You remember how our system works right? Innocent till proven guilty, right to face your accusers and to a day in court?

Correct.

Anyone who is suspected of having a mental illness, or is being treated for one, should not be allowed to purchase a gun.

Incorrect.

True, otherwise no Tea Party types could buy guns.

Leave it to the nazi left to include people they assume are crazy. Sixty years ago they said the same thing about Jews.

 

[MikeK]

Far from it. However there are some personality traits that are indicative of a persons future behavior. My wife is a PhD psychologist who is very liberal and even she says that sociopaths should be locked up forever. Just as pedophiles will 100% of the time commit further acts, so too will a sociopath.

Sociopathology occurs in degrees ranging from the ordinary con-artist who derives pleasure from cheating others to the homocidal psychopath who is absolutely devoid of sympathy, empathy, or compassion and derives pleasure from killing or making others suffer. I believe your wife was referring to the latter example, categorized as the psychotic sociopathic personality.

George W. Bush manifested a degree of sociopathology as a boy in that he enjoyed stuffing firecrackers into bullfrogs and lighting them. (Bush On The Couch; by Dr. Justin Frank.)

 

[eots]

The Virginia Tech shooter was crazy and everyone knew it. Instead of an arrest record the local Police managed to force him in to psychiatric counseling. Through a glitch in the Va. law psychiatric counseling did not show up on the instant name check and the shooter was able to "legally" purchase guns despite the fact that the University was scared to death of him. The Batman shooter was a disturbed individual who's psychiatrist was apparently so alarmed that he warned the schools he attended that he was dangerous and yet he was apparently able to "legally" purchase weapons because the liberal establishment has set the rules so that society has no defense against nut cases. It might seem harsh but I think it is reasonable that drug prescriptions for depression or learning disabilities or behavior problems or any other mental problem be entered in a data base only accessed by Law Enforcement and those people be restricted from ever purchasing a firearm.

'so called "crazy people" do not commit violent crimes at any higher rate than the general population..

Say what eos? I rest my case.

Now you are reduced to gibberish...is this your flailing attempt to dispute the fact ?

 

[whitehall]

Everyone wants to talk in cliches like "gun control" but we already have guns under control. They can't fire by themselves. We need to take control of the people who can't control themselves. I'm not saying we should automatically ban everyone who has ever been dosed by mind altering drugs in school or people who needed a prescription once or twice in their lives but that's where we need to start. Society was warned about every mass shooter in recent history and so-called privacy laws and other considerations for the mentally impaired prevented society from taking action until it was too late. It ain't about magazine capacity, it's about mental capacity.