Europe calls to prepare for US withdrawal from NATO after Trump's return

[EvilCat Breath]

These people are too Gdamned stupid. No wonder Europe is in trouble. Did they see on Trumps list on his website "promise to leave NATO"? They are just fear mongering as the limp wristed tended to do.

First, Trump will NOT leave NATO, he will instead demand nations pay their 2%. Is that wrong to demand? He wants to sell U.S weapons and systems and also wants all nations to be committed to the alliance if it is to remain as such.

Second, even if he did for some reason do so, it would only be for four years as the next president would return. Also, the pressure from both parties would make it near impossible for him to do so.

Trump knows this. Anyone with half a working brain in Europe knows this. They are so afraid of their own shadow and uninterested in committing their OWN tax dollars and soldiers to the cause (outside of France and England, though France may be just under 2%) that they continue to scream this. It really isn't about the Trump threat, but their desire for expanded global socialism.

He isn't leaving NATO, I would bet my right arm on this.

No. This is something democrats made up. I do wish Trump would get us out of the UN.

 

[Doc7505]

I disagree, if trump was president he would be putting the US and the world in a more perilous situation. I was in the Air Force during the Vietnam War. We need our allies. Fucking trump is a loser and thinks he knows it all. Either we are the premier Force in the world or someone else is. That's the bottom line.

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Strangely, there were no large "perilous situations while Trump was president. Count the number of foreign clusterfucks created by Biden in three years... Thus showing Biden is weak and incapable of handling foreign policy much less American policies.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Our greatest national danger: Fucking trump is a loser and thinks he knows it all

 

[Stann]

You are confused Moon Bat. Probably because of your TDS mental illness.

Trump is not calling for the US to withdraw from NATO.

He is calling for the Eurotrash nations to pay their agreed upon fair share.

He is threatening them with withdrawal if they don't anti up as a negotiating tactic to get their attention. If you had read his book "The Art of the Deal" you would know that.

He is looking after the interest of the US at a time when we are $34 trillion in debt and have the greater need to protect our own borders, not subsidizing Eurotrash Socialism. Only a stupid confused Moon Bat suffering from the mental illness of Trump Derangement Syndrome would find fault with that.

Ignorant people resort to name-calling. It is a sign of insecurity and displaced aggression. You are not worthy of further discussion.

 

[Stann]

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Strangely, there were no large "perilous situations while Trump was president. Count the number of foreign clusterfucks created by Biden in three years... Thus showing Biden is weak and incapable of handling foreign policy much less American policies.

LOL. No , he created them while he was in office. Abandoning our best allies in the Middle East the kurds and abandoning our allies in Afghanistan. You have a short memory.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Flash is in the wrong, and knowing that, he resorts to ad homs. Laugh at him each time you cross paths and walk on by.

 

[Stann]

No. This is something democrats made up. I do wish Trump would get us out of the UN.

So far on this thread I've heard right wingers ( and most likely Russian plants ) wanting US out of NATO , The WHO and now you're suggesting the UN. Any other agencies promoting peace , health and civilization you want to negate on ? And why do you want to play into the hands of our enemies ?

 

[Doc7505]

LOL. No , he created them while he was in office. Abandoning our best allies in the Middle East the kurds and abandoning our allies in Afghanistan. You have a short memory.

Trump’s latest move would hardly be the first time that U.S. leaders have sacrificed allies for larger geopolitical goals. Indeed, it would be the third example of a U.S. policy reversal and outright betrayal of the Middle East’s Kurdish population in barely two generations.
Washington’s policies are subject to change, and no foreign government should assume that its relationship with the United States is sacrosanct. If the incentives are sufficient, U.S. leaders will betray an ally (especially a small ally) without much hesitation. That’s how a great power operates, and there is no evidence of American exceptionalism on that score.
See:

https://www.cato.org/commentary/yes-donald-trump-dumped-kurds-we-should-not-be-shocked

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

IF Trump is elected he won't get the support from congress to end his pipedream with exiting NATO.

Trump doesn't want to split from NATO. He never even suggested that The United States should do so. He just wants all the members to pull their weight.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Blah Blah Blah.

Have you seen the latest news about Germany's readiness?

 

[Stann]

Trump’s latest move would hardly be the first time that U.S. leaders have sacrificed allies for larger geopolitical goals. Indeed, it would be the third example of a U.S. policy reversal and outright betrayal of the Middle East’s Kurdish population in barely two generations.
Washington’s policies are subject to change, and no foreign government should assume that its relationship with the United States is sacrosanct. If the incentives are sufficient, U.S. leaders will betray an ally (especially a small ally) without much hesitation. That’s how a great power operates, and there is no evidence of American exceptionalism on that score.
See:

https://www.cato.org/commentary/yes-donald-trump-dumped-kurds-we-should-not-be-shocked

It would be one of our greatest mistakes in history , we'd go out with a bang. Hopefully sane heads will prevail and we won't have to deal with creating another crisis we don't need or want.

 

[Doc7505]

Have you seen the latest news about Germany's readiness?

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Indeed!!

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/alarm-nato-weak-military-empty-arsenals-europe-a72b23f4

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https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/alarm-nato-weak-military-empty-arsenals-europe-a72b23f4

So much for Germany meeting it's obligation to protect it's country much less it's NATO allies... They certainly have not paid their fair share...

 

[Blackrook]

Trump never said he wants to pull out of NATO. He wants the NATO countries to pay their fair share of defense. Why should American taxpayers always be the patsy?

People are being ridiculous.

 

[Stann]

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Indeed!!

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/alarm-nato-weak-military-empty-arsenals-europe-a72b23f4

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https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/alarm-nato-weak-military-empty-arsenals-europe-a72b23f4

So much for Germany meeting it's obligation to protect it's country much less it's NATO allies... They certainly have not paid their fair share...

All nations in the West are spending more on defense, including Canada and as always the US ( ovetall up 5% , would have been more but Congress held Biden to a meager 1% increase in defense spending this year. . And no nation pays more for NATO than Poland ( 3.9% GNP ) the US is second with ( 3.49 % GNP ).

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

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Indeed!!

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/alarm-nato-weak-military-empty-arsenals-europe-a72b23f4

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https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/alarm-nato-weak-military-empty-arsenals-europe-a72b23f4

So much for Germany meeting it's obligation to protect it's country much less it's NATO allies... They certainly have not paid their fair share...

If we have to depend on the Krauts, we're fucked nine-ways-from-sunday.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

All nations in the West are spending more on defense, including Canada and as always the US ( ovetall up 5% , would have been more but Congress held Biden to a meager 1% increase in defense spending this year. . And no nation pays more for NATO than Poland ( 3.9% GNP ) the US is second with ( 3.49 % GNP ).

Yeah, but most members aren't meeting the 2% they agreed to, to be members.

We're supposed to to trust those motherfuckers when the shootin starts?

Are you ready to sacrifice your kids, or your grandkids because those countries didn't ante up? Are you ready to tell them they have to go fight on a far away battlefield because you supported politicians let those countries get away with it?

 

[Flash]

Ignorant people resort to name-calling. It is a sign of insecurity and displaced aggression. You are not worthy of further discussion.

If you are going to post stupid crap on a discussion forum then don't get all butt hurt when someone ridicules you for it. You deserve it.

It is evident that you have the TDS mental illness. That is preventing you from seeing the logic of Trump demanding that the Eurotrash pay their fair share of the NATO defense budget instead of the US subsidizing the Eurotrash's Socialism.

That is a no brainer if there ever was one.

If Potatohead had come up with the idea you stupid Moon Bats would have loved it. Of course Potatohead's family was made rich by him selling out to foreign interest so forget about him looking after America's interest like Trump is advocating.

 

[Stann]

If you are going to post stupid crap on a discussion forum then don't get all butt hurt when someone ridicules you for it. You deserve it.

It is evident that you have the TDS mental illness. That is preventing you from seeing the logic of Trump demanding that the Eurotrash pay their fair share of the NATO defense budget instead of the US subsidizing the Eurotrash's Socialism.

That is a no brainer if there ever was one.

If Potatohead had come up with the idea you stupid Moon Bats would have loved it. Of course Potatohead's family was made rich by him selling out to foreign interest so forget about him looking after America's interest like Trump is advocating.

You are all pathetic. Just like trump , with no prior experience, you believe you know it all. No one has all the answers ; before most people destroy what works they create something that works better.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Our greatest national danger: Fucking trump is a loser and thinks he knows it all

What did Trump get wrong, John? On the border? On the economy? On Middle East policy? On energy? Give me some specifics...

 

[Stann]

What did Trump get wrong

Basically EVERYTHING.trump badmouthed the border situation and didn't solve anything , over 300,000 crossed on his watch, built only a little over 50 miles of new wall. He jumped in on the rise of Obama's success with the economy and dangerously tweaked it which helped lead to it's destruction. The Middle East he betrayed the Kurds. Biden is producing more US oil than trump did. Plus there's thousands of other lies and mistruths about what trump did and did not do. Most destructive of all he adopted fascist ideas and divided the nation more than ever even attempted to take it over. The man should be locked up for life or executed.