EPA Responsible, But Not Liable - And, If It Was You?

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The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced Friday that federal law does not require the agency to pay more damages incurred after a massive toxic water spill in Colorado caused by an agency employee.

EPA is not mandated under federal law to repay $1.2 billion to the states affected by the Gold King Mine spill, the Department of Justice (DOJ) supposedly told the agency. The spill caused 3 million gallons of dangerous metals like lead, cadmium and arsenic into the Animas River.

“The circumstances surrounding the Gold King Mine incident unfortunately do not meet the conditions necessary to pay claims,” because the law “does not authorize federal agencies to pay claims resulting from … acts of a governmental nature or function and that involve the exercise of judgment,” EPA said in a statement.

Federal attorneys argued the EPA is protected by a legal principle called sovereign immunity, or “crown immunity,” which argues a sovereign state cannot commit a legal wrong and is therefore immune from prosecution.

The principle must be invoked, the EPA argued, because employees with the agency were conducting an investigation under the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act when the spill occurred.

EPA has taken responsibility for the spill in other ways, including giving “financial support,” the agency said.

It’s move to invoke the age-old immunity measure for protection comes on the heels of the DOJ’s October decision not to charge the EPA employee involved in causing the spill.

EPA’s Inspector General (IG) launched an investigation into whether the employee violated laws regulating the country’s waterways and made false statements about the spill. The IG did not disclose the employee’s name.

Much of the Gold King Mine disaster is all cleared up, the EPA said Monday, because spring snow-melt pushed 2 million pounds of sludge from the affected rivers to Lake Powell, a vacation area and water source for drinking and agriculture.

EPA’s final report on the spill found evidence showing “the Gold King deposits that remained in the Animas River over the winter period were mobilized early in the spring snowmelt and could be observed through the system, albeit at low concentrations.”
 
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced Friday that federal law does not require the agency to pay more damages incurred after a massive toxic water spill in Colorado caused by an agency employee.

EPA is not mandated under federal law to repay $1.2 billion to the states affected by the Gold King Mine spill, the Department of Justice (DOJ) supposedly told the agency. The spill caused 3 million gallons of dangerous metals like lead, cadmium and arsenic into the Animas River.

“The circumstances surrounding the Gold King Mine incident unfortunately do not meet the conditions necessary to pay claims,” because the law “does not authorize federal agencies to pay claims resulting from … acts of a governmental nature or function and that involve the exercise of judgment,” EPA said in a statement.

Federal attorneys argued the EPA is protected by a legal principle called sovereign immunity, or “crown immunity,” which argues a sovereign state cannot commit a legal wrong and is therefore immune from prosecution.

The principle must be invoked, the EPA argued, because employees with the agency were conducting an investigation under the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act when the spill occurred.

EPA has taken responsibility for the spill in other ways, including giving “financial support,” the agency said.

It’s move to invoke the age-old immunity measure for protection comes on the heels of the DOJ’s October decision not to charge the EPA employee involved in causing the spill.

EPA’s Inspector General (IG) launched an investigation into whether the employee violated laws regulating the country’s waterways and made false statements about the spill. The IG did not disclose the employee’s name.

Much of the Gold King Mine disaster is all cleared up, the EPA said Monday, because spring snow-melt pushed 2 million pounds of sludge from the affected rivers to Lake Powell, a vacation area and water source for drinking and agriculture.

EPA’s final report on the spill found evidence showing “the Gold King deposits that remained in the Animas River over the winter period were mobilized early in the spring snowmelt and could be observed through the system, albeit at low concentrations.”

Just fuck 'em. And fire a whole bunch. Sovereign immunity my ass.. Give me a list of the people fired, and cut the damn checks.
 
The EPA is now above the law? As I recall a judge just slammed them for this kind of behavior...


“EPA does not get to decide whether compliance with (the law) is good policy, or would lead to too many difficulties for the agency,” Bailey wrote. “It is time for the EPA to recognize that Congress makes the law, and EPA must not only enforce the law, it must obey it.”

Source- Not Tired Of Winning Yet

Because of this behavior, every rule made can be withdrawn by Executive Order as they did not follow the law in making them..

In EPA rebuke, judge orders quick evaluation on coal jobs
 
They fuck up oh well, some guy collecting rain water or little damn on his property.. They come at you with guns drawn.


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If one of us Deplorables had done this, we'd either be killed by Obama with a drone or sent to Gitmo.
 
All government is covered by the same rules. Ride your bike over an open grate hole in the road, and break your ankle, then try to sue. Or have a sewer main plug, filling basements in the neighborhood with sewage, and try to sue. If governments could be sued, can you imagine what it would cost?

Mark
 
All government is covered by the same rules. Ride your bike over an open grate hole in the road, and break your ankle, then try to sue. Or have a sewer main plug, filling basements in the neighborhood with sewage, and try to sue. If governments could be sued, can you imagine what it would cost?

Mark

Your conflating natural act vs willful ignorance and intent.. If they failed to take appropriate precautions to keep you from going over that grate they are responsible and can be held liable.
 
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All government is covered by the same rules. Ride your bike over an open grate hole in the road, and break your ankle, then try to sue. Or have a sewer main plug, filling basements in the neighborhood with sewage, and try to sue. If governments could be sued, can you imagine what it would cost?

Mark

Your conflating natural act vs willful ignorance and intent..

Not really. A sewer main that should have been replaced is negligence. If this act bordered on the criminal, then there would be something to it. Truthfully, I don't know more about the issue.

Mark
 
All government is covered by the same rules. Ride your bike over an open grate hole in the road, and break your ankle, then try to sue. Or have a sewer main plug, filling basements in the neighborhood with sewage, and try to sue. If governments could be sued, can you imagine what it would cost?

Mark

Your conflating natural act vs willful ignorance and intent..

Not really. A sewer main that should have been replaced is negligence. If this act bordered on the criminal, then there would be something to it. Truthfully, I don't know more about the issue.

Mark
Willful is the standard. They knew or should have known the act would result in... But it varies state to state and their laws. Here in Wyoming the city or operator of a sewer district can be held liable for negligence failures.
 
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As usual, not a syllable of condemnation towards the corrupt mine owners that created the problem. Consistent, our deniers are. They want the EPA gone, so that those who donate money to their masters can be rid of those pesky laws that stop them from polluting.

What, deniers, you thought your corruption wasn't that obvious? TheParty has ordered you to defend polluters, so you're obeying.
 
As usual, not a syllable of condemnation towards the corrupt mine owners that created the problem. Consistent, our deniers are. They want the EPA gone, so that those who donate money to their masters can be rid of those pesky laws that stop them from polluting.

What, deniers, you thought your corruption wasn't that obvious? TheParty has ordered you to defend polluters, so you're obeying.

The "corrupt mine owners" who sealed off that mine died over 100 yrs ago. But SURE --- blame them.

Bunch of pencil monkeys go on a field trip to Colorado and decide it's a DIY project. Probably watched Todd Hoffman on GoldRush the TV show and decided ANYONE can unseal a mine and build new protection..

It's GROSS malfeasance. Did they file an Enviro Impact Report? Post a bond? Go out for bids? Hire "minority owned businesses"??? Dont' think so. I don't want them GONE. I want them to stop shitting in their hallways (true story) and playing Mr Fixit with heavy equipment. And I want them to RESPECT land rights and work WITH people. Not bully them..
 
I know some hypocrite apologist is gonna badger me about the "pooping the hallways" comment. And normally I'd tell them to suck it. But for your education and entertainment ladies and gents.

EPA Employees Asked To Stop Pooping In The Hallway | The Huffington Post

Federal employees at the Environmental Protection Agency have been instructed to stop defecating in the hallway of a regional office in Denver, Colo., according to an internal e-mail obtained by Government Executive.

In a staff email earlier this year, Deputy Regional Administrator Howard Cantor warned of “several” inappropriate bathroom “incidents” in the building, including paper towel-clogged toilets and “an individual placing feces in the hallway” outside the restroom.

“Management is taking this situation very seriously and will take whatever actions are necessary to identify and prosecute these individuals,” Cantor wrote in his email, asking any employee with knowledge of the individual’s identity to notify management.

In addressing the issue, EPA management consulted with workplace violence specialist John Nicoletti, who called the behavior “very dangerous” and warned that the perpetrators would “probably escalate” their behavior, according to GovExec.

EPA spokesman Richard Mylott added that Nicoletti’s expertise was sought in an effort to maintain a “safe workplace” in a statement to GovExec Wednesday.

Seems like our "saviours of the environment" have a problem not living in pollution and stench in their little office bldg in Colorado.. I mean GEEZ --- one environment at a time guys and girls..
 
As usual, not a syllable of condemnation towards the corrupt mine owners that created the problem. Consistent, our deniers are. They want the EPA gone, so that those who donate money to their masters can be rid of those pesky laws that stop them from polluting.

What, deniers, you thought your corruption wasn't that obvious? TheParty has ordered you to defend polluters, so you're obeying.

Corrupt mine owners?

What a load of horse shit. The mine was sealed, the material contained. Hell, the original owners and operators are DEAD.. They used the laws and regulations of their day and they were in compliance. This kind of lib making shit up stuff is exactly why the EPA needs a good ass whoopin!

Now libs think ex-post-facto laws are a good thing and the dead should be brought back to life so they can make them boogie men and give them a good flogging...

What kind of stupid are you drinking? The EPA were the idiots that broke containment without a damn plan.. And that is GROSS NEGLIGENCE!
 
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The "corrupt mine owners" who sealed off that mine died over 100 yrs ago. But SURE --- blame them.

Lots of other mines still doing it. And you're protecting them, because that's what your political-religious cult orders you to do.

Bunch of pencil monkeys go on a field trip to Colorado and decide it's a DIY project.

Ah, such irony.

Flac, the ultimate pencil monkey, once more tells us how he knows everything. That's on thread of denier pencil monkeys declaring they know everything. That's on a board of conservative pencil monkeys who claim to be experts on everything.
 

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